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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:47:15 AM EDT
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Looking at Ruger's typical MSRP-to-street price ratio, I'd say $600 is probably pretty accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are we getting the $600 price point? Is it just a calculated guess based on the MSRP of $750 or am I missing something obvious? Looking at Ruger's typical MSRP-to-street price ratio, I'd say $600 is probably pretty accurate. That's what I was asking. I didn't know if someone had already found them up for sale at Bud's or something. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:48:57 AM EDT
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So now we have to ask, Ruger vs. PSA? Someone will have to be the guinea pig.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:49:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it can destroy freedom group sales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I guess this delegates the mini's target market to ban states. I'm seeing this putting a hurting on DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River and other brands that offer $700+ rifles with less than Colt specs. I think BCM, PSA, Del-Ton and the high end guys will be almost unaffected. I think it can destroy freedom group sales. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:49:57 AM EDT
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point?
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:50:56 AM EDT
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? To be fair.... how in the world would you know if it's a better rifle or not? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:51:38 AM EDT
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So now we have to ask, Ruger vs. PSA? Someone will have to be the guinea pig. Depends on how many safety warnings are engraved all over the thing. To me, that's still a bit of an annoyance when it comes to Ruger's products. Hasn't stopped me from buying (I own more Rugers than any other single manufacturer), but it bugs me. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:51:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we have to ask, Ruger vs. PSA? Someone will have to be the guinea pig.  |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:52:12 AM EDT
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? Because PSA can't put their rifles on every store shelf in the country with the name RUGER on the side. I wouldn't buy one, I'd build a PSA, but lots of people will buy them. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:52:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair.... how in the world would you know if it's a better rifle or not? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? To be fair.... how in the world would you know if it's a better rifle or not? If you plan on putting accessories on your rifle, a lot of the PSA uppers already come with decent rails. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:53:12 AM EDT
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Is it wrong to like the FSB? Looks like it would put a lot of inconsistent pressure on the barrel. I really like the QD socket on the bottom of the FSB Me too. Serrating the FSB was a classy touch as well. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:54:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because PSA can't put their rifles on every store shelf in the country with the name RUGER on the side. I wouldn't buy one, I'd build a PSA, but lots of people will buy them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? Because PSA can't put their rifles on every store shelf in the country with the name RUGER on the side. I wouldn't buy one, I'd build a PSA, but lots of people will buy them. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:55:31 AM EDT
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Me too. Serrating the FSB was a classy touch as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it wrong to like the FSB? Looks like it would put a lot of inconsistent pressure on the barrel. I really like the QD socket on the bottom of the FSB Me too. Serrating the FSB was a classy touch as well. This seems like the part that the blanks in the teaser photo were for. I'm intrigued. I'd have preferred a middy, but I'm still intrigued. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 11:57:10 AM EDT
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http://www.ruger.com/products/ar556/specSheets/8500.html Stock: Black Synthetic, Collapsible Finish: Type III Hard Coat Anodized Front Sight: Adjustable Post Height: 8.00" Rear Sight: Adjustable Ruger® Rapid Deploy Weight: 6.50 lbs. Barrel Length: 16.10" Overall Length: 32.25" - 35.50" Thread Pattern: 1/2"-28 Grooves: 6 Length of Pull 10.25" - 13.50" Capacity: 30 Twist: 1:8" RH Width: 2.50" Suggested Retail: $749.00 |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:17:55 PM EDT
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Their website says it is a CHF barrel but doesn't say whether it is chrome lined or not.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:19:38 PM EDT
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Their website says it is a CHF barrel but doesn't say whether it is chrome lined or not. At that price point, probably not... but if anyone is big enough to pull it off that cheaply it would be someone like Ruger. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:21:03 PM EDT
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Where are we getting the $600 price point? Is it just a calculated guess based on the MSRP of $750 or am I missing something obvious? Don't know. Watch the video. Jeff Quinn said it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:22:23 PM EDT
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Commercial tube.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:24:09 PM EDT
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Their website says it is a CHF barrel but doesn't say whether it is chrome lined or not. The video said that the barrel was not lined. I think. Sometimes it sounds like Jeff Quinn has a mouth full of marbles when he speaks. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.ruger.com/products/ar556/images/8500.jpg http://www.ruger.com/products/ar556/specSheets/8500.html Stock: Black Synthetic, Collapsible Finish: Type III Hard Coat Anodized Front Sight: Adjustable Post Height: 8.00" Rear Sight: Adjustable Ruger® Rapid Deploy Weight: 6.50 lbs. Barrel Length: 16.10" Overall Length: 32.25" - 35.50" Thread Pattern: 1/2"-28 Grooves: 6 Length of Pull 10.25" - 13.50" Capacity: 30 Twist: 1:8" RH Width: 2.50" Suggested Retail: $749.00 If dealer cost is cheap enough, I might but one for myself, for shits and giggles. I wonder if Ruger realizes how much of a shitstorm they just opened for people asking for different versions |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:31:29 PM EDT
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Commercial tube. From the spec sheet: The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:38:43 PM EDT
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From the spec sheet: The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Commercial tube. From the spec sheet: The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. It would be easy enough to change out if you wanted to anyways. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:38:54 PM EDT
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:43:09 PM EDT
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical lol |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:43:50 PM EDT
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From the spec sheet: The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Commercial tube. From the spec sheet: The six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock and Mil-Spec buffer tube allow the rifle to be properly sized for different shooters, or varying levels of outerwear or defensive gear. Huh. I guess I assumed from the cant on the buttstock. I like Mil-Spec Tubes better anyway. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:44:23 PM EDT
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:48:12 PM EDT
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People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go chrome or go home. Without a proper barrel it's just another dpms sportical People's obsession with chrome-lining will never cease to amaze me. Some people empty magazines... and some just read them in mom's basement. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:56:02 PM EDT
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? For $600 I'll pick one up just for the hell of it, I already have an AR from PSA. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 12:56:38 PM EDT
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There are AR people and there are people that are going to buy an AR. For the latter a $600ish Ruger next to a $800+ DPMS or Bushmaster with no noticeable difference the Ruger is going to sell every time, especially for the Fuddy crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? Because PSA can't put their rifles on every store shelf in the country with the name RUGER on the side. I wouldn't buy one, I'd build a PSA, but lots of people will buy them. Good. The more people of walmart who own a huntin' rifle and decide to get an AR because they have them in a name brand and cheap the better we will all be as EBR fans. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:05:43 PM EDT
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This seems like the part that the blanks in the teaser photo were for. I'm intrigued. I'd have preferred a middy, but I'm still intrigued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it wrong to like the FSB? Looks like it would put a lot of inconsistent pressure on the barrel. I really like the QD socket on the bottom of the FSB Me too. Serrating the FSB was a classy touch as well. This seems like the part that the blanks in the teaser photo were for. I'm intrigued. I'd have preferred a middy, but I'm still intrigued. I would have preferred a pistol or a DMR. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:10:13 PM EDT
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga
Edit: nvm Meh |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:16:11 PM EDT
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its 600 bucks at my local gun shop...
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:17:45 PM EDT
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Their website says it is a CHF barrel but doesn't say whether it is chrome lined or not. Ruger has their own hammer forge |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:19:09 PM EDT
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Non chrome lined barrels are more accurate I've been told
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:24:21 PM EDT
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i didnt see anywhere if the thing is mil-spec
i am guessing that it isnt. it only says, "standardized parts." That is not stopping me from getting one though... ...going to put a "carry-handle" on it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:25:02 PM EDT
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:26:27 PM EDT
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Non chrome lined barrels are more accurate I've been told It depends on the applicator. FN's precision guns come chromlined and you will be hard pressed to find a factory gun that surpasses its accuracy |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:31:37 PM EDT
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that FSB is super fabulous. I would like to see those get sold individually.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:35:10 PM EDT
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Good. The more people of walmart who own a huntin' rifle and decide to get an AR because they have them in a name brand and cheap the better we will all be as EBR fans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can buy a better rifle for less from PSA. What's the point? Because PSA can't put their rifles on every store shelf in the country with the name RUGER on the side. I wouldn't buy one, I'd build a PSA, but lots of people will buy them. Good. The more people of walmart who own a huntin' rifle and decide to get an AR because they have them in a name brand and cheap the better we will all be as EBR fans. This is a very valid point LOTS of fudds will buy one simply because its a RUGER |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:38:52 PM EDT
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Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. On arfcom you have a lot of guys that have a lot of experience with AR's and know exactly what they want a gun to do and have on it, and know where to buy all the parts and how to build it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:42:02 PM EDT
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On arfcom you have a lot of guys that have a lot of experience with AR's and know exactly what they want a gun to do and have on it, and know where to buy all the parts and how to build it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. On arfcom you have a lot of guys that have a lot of experience with AR's and know exactly what they want a gun to do and have on it, and know where to buy all the parts and how to build it. wanna bet as to what the ratio of "bought" versus "assembled" rifles on arfcom is? btw..I have assembled all my own.....including 2 within the last 3 days. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:46:40 PM EDT
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wanna bet as to what the ratio of "bought" versus "assembled" rifles on arfcom is? btw..I have assembled all my own.....including 2 within the last 3 days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. On arfcom you have a lot of guys that have a lot of experience with AR's and know exactly what they want a gun to do and have on it, and know where to buy all the parts and how to build it. wanna bet as to what the ratio of "bought" versus "assembled" rifles on arfcom is? btw..I have assembled all my own.....including 2 within the last 3 days. True, I still think a lot of guys want more specifics and know where to get it than just a plain M4gery. I didn't mean to sound like arfcom was full of Tier 1 badass operators in my post.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:48:07 PM EDT
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While they're on a roll, if they make a 10mm GP100 I'll take back everything bad I ever said about 'em.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:58:19 PM EDT
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Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. I'm only bitching because I can't buy one because newtown. 
I love ruger products. Except for centerfire semiauto handguns. I'd love to have their AR-10 and am thinking about finishing one of my stashed lowers with their target piston upper. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 2:05:58 PM EDT
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Nice. More choices is more gooder. I do think they should have gone with a mid length gas system and a melonited barrel though but that is just me.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 2:09:17 PM EDT
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While they're on a roll, if they make a 10mm GP100 I'll take back everything bad I ever said about 'em. Wouldn't that need to be made on the Redhawk frame? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 2:10:04 PM EDT
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True, I still think a lot of guys want more specifics and know where to get it than just a plain M4gery. I didn't mean to sound like arfcom was full of Tier 1 badass operators in my post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Red Label in 20 and 28 ga Edit: nvm Meh Only on arfcom would you find "gun guys" bitching about a decent quality, cheaply priced AR....goes back to my hypotheses...that a majority of the GD jokers either own safe queens...or none at all. On arfcom you have a lot of guys that have a lot of experience with AR's and know exactly what they want a gun to do and have on it, and know where to buy all the parts and how to build it. wanna bet as to what the ratio of "bought" versus "assembled" rifles on arfcom is? btw..I have assembled all my own.....including 2 within the last 3 days. True, I still think a lot of guys want more specifics and know where to get it than just a plain M4gery. I didn't mean to sound like arfcom was full of Tier 1 badass operators in my post. Your point is valid. People here will be more picky because they do know what they want on an AR. That being said, this gun is probably not being marketed to them anyway. It will sit in Walmart, every other chain store and every gun shop that already sells Rugers and it will compete with DPMS and Bushmaster entry level ARs, and with a $600 price tag and Ruger's name, it will win. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 2:16:04 PM EDT
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They are bringing back the 10/44 and producing high capacity factory magazines for it. 
I'll take 2, please. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 2:16:27 PM EDT
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Huh. Well, not what I expected (or wanted), but I can't hate on Ruger getting into the bargain AR market. I'm guessing short term this may even serve to further push down AR prices. Lots of people are saying the actual street price on these is near $600. I can easily see the price falling below $500 out the door during Black Friday sales...
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Posted: 9/29/2014 3:07:09 PM EDT
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I want one.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 3:09:24 PM EDT
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That being said, this gun is probably not being marketed to them anyway. It will sit in Walmart, every other chain store and every gun shop that already sells Rugers and it will compete with DPMS and Bushmaster entry level ARs, and with a $600 price tag and Ruger's name, it will win. Oh, for sure. Which is a very good thing. |
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