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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:08:46 PM EDT
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Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. Name some. What theories? What papers? http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research That's pretty standard stuff for a PhD and is matched by your average doctorate professor at a research university. I don't know much about the guy, but I've heard people who follow such things say that his actual contributions outside of being a celebrity are pretty modest. A sharp guy, to be sure, but we're not talking about a black Hawking here. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:09:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah uh! The penguin just said its because you believe in creation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like someone has a hard on for Tyson because he doesn't like Tyson's views on global warming (or religion or whatever. Why didn't he call Tyson and ask him why he thinks Bush said that? Weak sauce. The motivations for examining NDT's statements are irrelevant. NDT's statements stand or fall on their own. The record shows no such statements by Bush in the way that NDT presents them. This is confirmed by the WH archives and seven Bush aides, including a press secretary and speech writers. Sean Davis asked for a comment by NDT about an earlier episode of his fabrications. This was the response: "Thanks for your interest in my work. Just some background: When I am invited to give a talk, especially to an audience that is not the general public, but to a specific gathering of people within a trade, I tune the contents for that audience, for that time, and for that place. So tone and flavor and context and intent are all key elements to any message I convey — all missing to anyone who was not present at the time. I have enough defenders in this thread that I need not rehash already-cited comments. But if this article contains the entire critique of my presentation to Tableau Software — the contents of 2 out of 60 slides — then I consider the talk to be a success, even to eavesdroppers." Oh. I guess if he fabricates stories on only two to 60 slides it's OK. He hasn't responded to the Bush quote fabrication story. This is something that only matters to people who hate Tyson because of his comments about religion, global warming or some other issue that they are emotionally attached to. You're wrong. I care about none of those things. I care about a public figurehead for science who perhaps can't be bothered to not make up presidential quotes to suit his point. Nah uh! The penguin just said its because you believe in creation. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Discounting the claims of creationism as being a ridiculous pseudo science is bias?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps in the field of Law making up citations is par for the course, but scientists take that rather seriously. Quoted: Discounting the claims of creationism as being a ridiculous pseudo science is bias? Quoted: Quoted: Or those who are defending him are so vested in what he says they remain blind by their own bias behavior. See below quote from you which aptly shows such bias behavior. That's what this is really about Tyson pokes holes in people's irrational beliefs so his misremembering some comment George Bush probably did not make is blown up to "He's Da Debil" Whoops accusing me of lying now, lol. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:11:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty standard stuff for a PhD and is matched by your average doctorate professor at a research university. I don't know much about the guy, but I've heard people who follow such things say that his actual contributions outside of being a celebrity are pretty modest. A sharp guy, to be sure, but we're not talking about a black Hawking here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. Name some. What theories? What papers? http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research That's pretty standard stuff for a PhD and is matched by your average doctorate professor at a research university. I don't know much about the guy, but I've heard people who follow such things say that his actual contributions outside of being a celebrity are pretty modest. A sharp guy, to be sure, but we're not talking about a black Hawking here. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:13:28 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:14:07 PM EDT
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Hell of a singer.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I just don't don't understand your disregard for this sort of behavior. Quote HistoryQuoted: |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:16:13 PM EDT
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See the main issue isn't that he was mistaken, or remembered something wrong. By his own admission he falsifies the content of his anecdotes. If someone is willing to lie about something when it doesn't matter, what is someone willing to lie about when it does matter.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:17:30 PM EDT
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Celebrity scientist who apparently makes things up to make politicians look stupid while making himself look smart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:17:32 PM EDT
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To be fair, the field needs "popularizers" as well. Not everyone in science is going to be a Newton, nor is that the only type of person the field needs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. Name some. What theories? What papers? http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research That's pretty standard stuff for a PhD and is matched by your average doctorate professor at a research university. I don't know much about the guy, but I've heard people who follow such things say that his actual contributions outside of being a celebrity are pretty modest. A sharp guy, to be sure, but we're not talking about a black Hawking here. Absolutely; that's why I specified contributions outside of being a celebrity. HIs contributions as a celebrity/frontman are very real. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't know there were such things! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things!   |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:19:16 PM EDT
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I care about none of those things. I care about a public figurehead for science who perhaps can't be bothered to not make up presidential quotes to suit his point. I wonder if the arfcom butt-hurt/outrage would be so strong if he was misquoting Obama? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:19:33 PM EDT
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Leftists are liars.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:19:46 PM EDT
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Tyson is a glorified science teacher. The only reason we know his name is because he's black.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't know there were such things! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:20:33 PM EDT
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Tyson is a glorified science teacher. The only reason we know his name is because he's black. That and the badass meme. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said, people remember stuff wrong all the time, sounds like he misremembered Bush's comment after the space shuttle disaster. I don't think he proves anything other than he's careless in recounting stories, like most people are. If he keeps telling the same story after this was pointed out I think it might mean he was being a prick. Again, if this is all the dirt they could dig up on him it seems like he's more credible than most people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This wasn't an off the cuff remark, it was a prepared talk that he gave. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely; that's why I specified contributions outside of being a celebrity. HIs contributions as a celebrity/frontman are very real. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What theories? What papers? http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research That's pretty standard stuff for a PhD and is matched by your average doctorate professor at a research university. I don't know much about the guy, but I've heard people who follow such things say that his actual contributions outside of being a celebrity are pretty modest. A sharp guy, to be sure, but we're not talking about a black Hawking here. Absolutely; that's why I specified contributions outside of being a celebrity. HIs contributions as a celebrity/frontman are very real. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:22:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:23:30 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things!
I figured he was more tv host then a real scientist. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:23:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:26:12 PM EDT
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Fixed. Good link on all of his lies. Tyson's lame explanation: Wouldn't think a prominent atheo-scientific icon like NDT would need to 'tune contents' to suit his 'audience'.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is really a big pile of bullshit. News Flash...science tends to dislike colorful statements often made from politicians. Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. I would don't expect a higher any level of respect for veracity from a prominent physicist atheist. Fixed. Good link on all of his lies. Tyson's lame explanation: When I am invited to give a talk, especially to an audience that is not the general public, but to a specific gathering of people within a trade, I tune the contents for that audience, for that time, and for that place. So tone and flavor and context and intent are all key elements to any message I convey — all missing to anyone who was not present at the time. Wouldn't think a prominent atheo-scientific icon like NDT would need to 'tune contents' to suit his 'audience'. Sure sounds a lot like something a politician would do. Glass houses and all that. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:26:45 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:27:14 PM EDT
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It's a shame this guy is getting so infected with the liberal distortions. He is a charismatic guy and has the talent and motivation make science appeal to young kids.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:28:33 PM EDT
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Or, you know, Einstein, or Feynman, or Hawking. It's kind of an old thing... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things!
Or, you know, Einstein, or Feynman, or Hawking. It's kind of an old thing... Never thought of them as a celebrity. Just really smart people the General public knew about. Maybe I'm weird. Celebrities normally contribute very little to society. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:29:02 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/l-You-look-weird-sideways.jpeg Cute possum! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:29:21 PM EDT
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I don't know if this list constitutes 60% of named stars, but ....
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure sounds a lot like something a politician would do. Glass houses and all that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is really a big pile of bullshit. News Flash...science tends to dislike colorful statements often made from politicians. Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. I would don't expect a higher any level of respect for veracity from a prominent physicist atheist. Fixed. Good link on all of his lies. Tyson's lame explanation: When I am invited to give a talk, especially to an audience that is not the general public, but to a specific gathering of people within a trade, I tune the contents for that audience, for that time, and for that place. So tone and flavor and context and intent are all key elements to any message I convey — all missing to anyone who was not present at the time. Wouldn't think a prominent atheo-scientific icon like NDT would need to 'tune contents' to suit his 'audience'. Sure sounds a lot like something a politician would do. Glass houses and all that Why on Earth would you expect that?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:30:39 PM EDT
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Tyson is a glorified science teacher. The only reason we know his name is because he's black. That and the badass meme. And because he championed the removal of Pluto as a planet. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:32:07 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never thought of them as a celebrity. Just really smart people the General public knew about. Maybe I'm weird. Celebrities normally contribute very little to society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or, you know, Einstein, or Feynman, or Hawking. It's kind of an old thing... Never thought of them as a celebrity. Just really smart people the General public knew about. Maybe I'm weird. Celebrities normally contribute very little to society. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:34:40 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things! http://images.cryhavok.org/d/22899-1/Bro+Do+You+Even+Science_.png 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:36:27 PM EDT
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You think astrophysicists should give the same talks at international astrophysics meetings as they do to a bunch of non-astrophysicist undergraduates? Children? Why on Earth would you expect that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
You think astrophysicists should give the same talks at international astrophysics meetings as they do to a bunch of non-astrophysicist undergraduates? Children? Why on Earth would you expect that? So you're saying it's all kosher to purposely misquote someone if *you* think it's better to convey *your* message? Then claim the context/tone/flavor of yours are being misrepresented when called out on the misquote? So let's try that out... Quoted:
You think astrophysicists should give the same talk at international bikini model contests as they do to a bunch of nobel lauerate virgins? Gophers? Why on Neptune would you expect that? Yep. Totally the same. What? I misquoted you? No... I just tuned the message to better convey it, and you obviously didn't pick up on the context, tone and flavor of the message. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're saying it's all kosher to purposely misquote someone if *you* think it's better to convey *your* message? Then claim the context/tone/flavor of yours are being misrepresented when called out on the misquote? So let's try that out... Yep. Totally the same. What? I misquoted you? No... I just tuned the message to better convey it, and you obviously didn't pick up on the context, tone and flavor of the message. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You think astrophysicists should give the same talks at international astrophysics meetings as they do to a bunch of non-astrophysicist undergraduates? Children? Why on Earth would you expect that? So you're saying it's all kosher to purposely misquote someone if *you* think it's better to convey *your* message? Then claim the context/tone/flavor of yours are being misrepresented when called out on the misquote? So let's try that out... Quoted: You think astrophysicists should give the same talk at international bikini model contests as they do to a bunch of nobel lauerate virgins? Gophers? Why on Neptune would you expect that? Yep. Totally the same. What? I misquoted you? No... I just tuned the message to better convey it, and you obviously didn't pick up on the context, tone and flavor of the message. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:44:00 PM EDT
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Like I said, people remember stuff wrong all the time, sounds like he misremembered Bush's comment after the space shuttle disaster. I don't think he proves anything other than he's careless in recounting stories, like most people are. If he keeps telling the same story after this was pointed out I think it might mean he was being a prick. Again, if this is all the dirt they could dig up on him it seems like he's more credible than most people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It wasn't simply "misremembered ". Bush's statement had nothing to do with Islam. This wasn't a mistake, it was a lie. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:48:40 PM EDT
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Have you read the thread at all? Yes. But that is a direct answer to your claim that it's okay to misquote a person based on the audience. It's not a matter of omitting more advanced subject matter, it's falsifying the subject matter. That is not acceptable in any community, scientific or not. Besides I improved your quote to being far more awesome. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:50:11 PM EDT
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You think his goal is science? Look at this scene from his show Cosmos. It's sad because I used to actually like him. http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/files/2014/03/cosmos-bruno-animated-clip.jpg Seth Macfarlane was responsible for the animation. I personally hated all of the stupid animation in the new Cosmos series period, and not for any sort of anti-religious view. It was terrible and irritating to me and only detracted from the show. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:50:27 PM EDT
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Never thought of them as a celebrity. Just really smart people the General public knew about. Maybe I'm weird. Celebrities normally contribute very little to society. Yeah, they were celebrities, but that was based upon their contributions. Carl Sagan was more in line with Tyson. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. But that is a direct answer to your claim that it's okay to misquote a person based on the audience. It's not a matter of omitting more advanced subject matter, it's falsifying the subject matter. That is not acceptable in any community, scientific or not. Besides I improved your quote to being far more awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you read the thread at all? Yes. But that is a direct answer to your claim that it's okay to misquote a person based on the audience. It's not a matter of omitting more advanced subject matter, it's falsifying the subject matter. That is not acceptable in any community, scientific or not. Besides I improved your quote to being far more awesome. I suspect you haven't. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:56:20 PM EDT
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Have you read the thread at all? Yes. But that is a direct answer to your claim that it's okay to misquote a person based on the audience. It's not a matter of omitting more advanced subject matter, it's falsifying the subject matter. That is not acceptable in any community, scientific or not. Besides I improved your quote to being far more awesome.
I said no such thing, and in fact have been railing against it the entire thread. What my comment to you addressed is the notion that a talk should not be tailored to the audience. Nuh uh... Obviously you're tuning your content now because the context, flavor and timing are absent. (Please note, I'm using you as an example of why what Senior Tyson does, and why it's wrong). Essentially he wants his cake (In this case to be able to take others quotes out of context, and 'tune them for content') and to eat it to, by claiming others can't do the same to him. He wants to remove context from quotes (thus creating the misquote) when it suits him, and when called on it, claims his context is vitally important. Think of the same kind of idiocy that Jon Stewart does on the Daily show... "I'm making a joke, but you have to take me seriously!" "You can't take me seriously, I'm just making a joke!" Can't have it both ways. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:59:14 PM EDT
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An den Pooby sed: Sure sounds a lot like something a politician would do. Glass houses and all that Why on Earth would you expect that? I didn't say that. I don't care what he says in his speeches to whoever. but if your going to run around telling people made up stories to make yourself look smart, don't falsely accuse others of doing the same thing to make them look stupid. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:01:10 PM EDT
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This is really a big pile of bullshit. News Flash...science tends to dislike colorful statements often made from politicians. Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. Did you read the fucking OP. He's a fucking liar and a climate change brainwashed douchetard 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:10:42 PM EDT
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This is really a big pile of bullshit. News Flash...science tends to dislike colorful statements often made from politicians. Tyson is a good guy and has made significant contributions to science. He tries to wrap his personal agenda in the mantel of "science". That at least makes him a bad scientist. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:12:50 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things!
Bill Nye is a celebrity, but I don't know any definition of the word "scientist" that he falls under. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:16:51 PM EDT
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Bill Nye is a celebrity, but I don't know any definition of the word "scientist" that he falls under. "guy" |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:22:35 PM EDT
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Who th hell is this guy? Everyone else here seems to know but me. Why do we care about him? Didn't know there were such things!
Or, you know, Einstein, or Feynman, or Hawking. It's kind of an old thing... Einstein, Feynman, and Hawking have contributed far more than a celebrity scientist, even if all three had the unfortunate habit of veering wide out of their lane and expecting their opinions to be taken seriously. Smart dudes. Tyson hasn't contributed much, but he doesn't act as if he has. His fame mostly stems from the internet circlejerk about him, which he has always seemed uncomfortable with. Still, a smart dude. Bill Nye is an engineer who taught a kid's show and now thinks he knows everything. Douche. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:23:49 PM EDT
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Most of the stars probably had names given to them by the Greeks, Romans and even by the Chaldeans long before the Arabs did...........
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:23:52 PM EDT
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Bill Nye is a celebrity, but I don't know any definition of the word "scientist" that he falls under. "guy" Yeah, being a host of a popular science oriented TV show doesn't make you a scientist any more than being in Top Gun makes Tom Cruise a naval aviator. Nye actually has a undergrad degree in Mechanical Engineering, so he arguably is an engineer, but not a scientist. |
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