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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:12:24 PM EDT
Just watched for the first time last night. What a great film! More sword fighting in that movie than anything else I've ever seen. Highly recommend. 
The theme that the Bushido culture was being over run and made obsolete by technology was very moving. As war fighters, their days were numbered. The first battle where they broke the Emperor's new army through sheer fear was great. I also liked the Thermopylae reference in the final battle. Now I want a katana. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:13:40 PM EDT
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But it had Tom Cruise in it...
Good flick! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:14:33 PM EDT
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Perfect
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:15:38 PM EDT
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I thought he was great in it. Yeah, he's a strange fucker. If I avoided every actor who is an idiot I'd never get to watch anything. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:16:04 PM EDT
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It would have been better if Tom Cruise would have died, rather than being the lone survivor.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:16:55 PM EDT
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But it had Tom Cruise in it... Good flick! Well yeah, only way to make the Asian actors look normal sized...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:17:27 PM EDT
[#6]
I enjoyed this movie.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:18:35 PM EDT
[#7]
White savior movie but I still liked it. Just like dances with wolves.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:19:30 PM EDT
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Strongly agree. I can see why, for dramatic purposes, they wanted a survivor, but it stretched credulity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It would have been better if Tom Cruise would have died, rather than being the lone survivor. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:21:27 PM EDT
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Well yeah, only way to make the Asian actors look normal sized... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But it had Tom Cruise in it... Good flick! Well yeah, only way to make the Asian actors look normal sized... Ken Watanabe is 6' TC is 5'7" |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:22:00 PM EDT
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Heh. I also really liked Old Bob, Cruise's character's "minder". "You're angry because they make you wear a dress." "You a lady's man, Bob?" Dude was a pretty bad ass archer in the escape battle. 
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White savior movie but I still liked it. Just like dances with wolves. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:23:50 PM EDT
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This is a very good conversation
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:24:15 PM EDT
[#12]
I recommend 13 Assassins instead.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:25:03 PM EDT
[#13]
One of my favorites...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:25:13 PM EDT
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But it had Tom Cruise in it... Good flick! But Hiroyuki Sanada (Ujio) and Ken Watanabe (Katsumoto) more than made up for that! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:26:29 PM EDT
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I thought it was surprisingly good. I am a fan of the genre.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:26:35 PM EDT
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Great movie.
The rifles used in this movie were for sale awhile back - I still kick myself for not buying one. Yep, here's the old link where AIM had them. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F0M187184&groupid=209 |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:26:51 PM EDT
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Now go read the book and be really confused...
ETA: Referring to The Last Samurai: The Life and Battles of Saigo Takamori, not the unrelated fictional work The Last Samurai. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:27:22 PM EDT
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I liked it when TC said that Custer had 300 of his men against 2000 warriors.. And they all died.
And expected the samurai to find it awful ;) |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:30:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:32:10 PM EDT
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No shit. That honor system and Bushido Code just could not translate into modernity. The film is also gorgeous looking. Reminded me of Lawrence of Arabia in Japan. What is this 13 Assassins that has been mentioned? And what is confusing about the book? Major plot changes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I liked it when TC said that Custer had 300 of his men against 2000 warriors.. And they all died. And expected the samurai to find it awful ;) |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:34:17 PM EDT
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It is a surprisingly good movie. I was very skeptical at first, and didn't bother when it was in the theatre - but when I finally saw it years later, I really liked it a lot.
The scene in town where Tom Cruise's character fights four assassins is amazing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:34:26 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:36:57 PM EDT
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I enjoyed it.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:37:11 PM EDT
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It is a surprisingly good movie. I was very skeptical at first, and didn't bother when it was in the theatre - but when I finally saw it years later, I really liked it a lot. The scene in town where Tom Cruise's character fights four assassins is amazing. Yes! He did it again in Jack Reacher |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:37:26 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. Well it was a movie.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:38:53 PM EDT
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Well it was a movie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. Well it was a movie. Michonne would take him! 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a surprisingly good movie. I was very skeptical at first, and didn't bother when it was in the theatre - but when I finally saw it years later, I really liked it a lot. The scene in town where Tom Cruise's character fights four assassins is amazing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:41:06 PM EDT
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No shit. That honor system and Bushido Code just could not translate into modernity. The film is also gorgeous looking. Reminded me of Lawrence of Arabia in Japan. What is this 13 Assassins that has been mentioned? And what is confusing about the book? Major plot changes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
No shit. That honor system and Bushido Code just could not translate into modernity. The film is also gorgeous looking. Reminded me of Lawrence of Arabia in Japan. What is this 13 Assassins that has been mentioned? And what is confusing about the book? Major plot changes? Quoted:
I liked it when TC said that Custer had 300 of his men against 2000 warriors.. And they all died. And expected the samurai to find it awful ;) I suppose it is really just me being annoyed by the marketing of the movie (and subsequent remarketing of the book). The relationship is tenuous at best. Katsumoto was based on the real-life man of Saigo Takamori, but beyond that there is little continuity. Less "inspired by a true story" and more "I read about a cool Japanese guy once", but that's Hollywood. If you like biography's though, the book is worth a read. ETA:I did enjoy the movie, not looking to steal your joy.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:41:37 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. Certain people, certain learning curves. Also, his character was cavalry, so he had to have skills with a saber. One of the best gone native films next to Dances With Wolves. Avatar can't hold a candle to neither. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:42:22 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. There has to be some suspension of disbelief indeed but it IS a movie. I also really liked the movie - the scene where Taka helps TC into her slain husbands armor sent chills down me. And the samurai at the end say nothing other then to make sure it has been put on properly. Great scene. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:42:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Fucking Tom Cruise. I always want to think of him as a wanker, then he goes and makes another bad ass movie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It is a surprisingly good movie. I was very skeptical at first, and didn't bother when it was in the theatre - but when I finally saw it years later, I really liked it a lot. The scene in town where Tom Cruise's character fights four assassins is amazing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:42:35 PM EDT
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I recommend 13 Assassins instead. Came in to say this. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:43:42 PM EDT
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Thanks. Off to Amazon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I suppose it is really just me being annoyed by the marketing of the movie (and subsequent remarketing of the book). The relationship is tenuous at best. Katsumoto was based on the real-life man of Saigo Takamori, but beyond that there is little continuity. Less "inspired by a true story" and more "I read about a cool Japanese guy once", but that's Hollywood. If you like biography's though, the book is worth a read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No shit. That honor system and Bushido Code just could not translate into modernity. The film is also gorgeous looking. Reminded me of Lawrence of Arabia in Japan. What is this 13 Assassins that has been mentioned? And what is confusing about the book? Major plot changes? Quoted:
I liked it when TC said that Custer had 300 of his men against 2000 warriors.. And they all died. And expected the samurai to find it awful ;) I suppose it is really just me being annoyed by the marketing of the movie (and subsequent remarketing of the book). The relationship is tenuous at best. Katsumoto was based on the real-life man of Saigo Takamori, but beyond that there is little continuity. Less "inspired by a true story" and more "I read about a cool Japanese guy once", but that's Hollywood. If you like biography's though, the book is worth a read. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:43:49 PM EDT
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White savior movie but I still liked it. Just like dances with wolves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
White savior movie but I still liked it. Just like dances with wolves. He didn't save shit, he almost died himself. More like "white man joins losing side, barely survives". I know a lot of people have called the movie "dances with katanas" but it's a waaaaaay better movie than the Costner flick. This review is shit. The last samurai was NOT Cruise, it was Watanabe's character. Anyone with half a brain would get that... Cruise's character was the NARRATOR of the downfall of the Bushido system through the life and death of the samurai lord portrayed by Watanabe (who knocked it out of the damned park with his portrayal). "I was insulted"... why? You're BLACK, the samurai were JAPANESE. People need to stop getting ass-hurt over shit that has nothing to do with them. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:44:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it was a movie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. Well it was a movie. and as I recall, the movie had a montage |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:45:22 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. Well it was a movie. and as I recall, the movie had a montage You're correct.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:46:09 PM EDT
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I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. I think it's a stretch, but definitely possible. So much of kendo/kenjutsu is about attitude and energy, and so if he had a natural aptitude (as well as experience with fencing/sabre), I absolutely believe that it's POSSIBLE to turn someone like that into a better-than average japanese sword-fighter in six months. Keep in mind also that this movie takes place LONG after the 1500s and early 1600s when the samurai were ALL heavily trained for the constant warfare in Japan. By the time of this movie, the vast majority of samurai were bureaucrats and probably just received cursory sword training - so someone receiving intensive training from the samurai who took their own training seriously could absolutely have a big advantage over an average "samurai" of the period. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:52:05 PM EDT
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The snooty film critic in me says it's a silly movie, but I nevertheless keep watching it whenever it's on TV. Go figure.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:52:28 PM EDT
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It is also interesting in that you can look at the movie from the perspective of the Japanese common man casting off the chains of feudalism.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:54:06 PM EDT
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This show reminded me of Shogun w/Richard Chamberlain
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:56:04 PM EDT
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I thought of it as a goofy sentimental piece extolling the virtues of Japanese Imperialism, but as it film I thought the uniforms and weapons were well done.
Reenactors are the cause of any real accuracy in films since the 1990s, when before that Dale Dye made ever army look like the 1960s Marine Corps. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:00:48 PM EDT
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I thought of it as a goofy sentimental piece extolling the virtues of Japanese Imperialism, but as it film I thought the uniforms and weapons were well done. Reenactors are the cause of any real accuracy in films since the 1990s, when before that Dale Dye made ever army look like the 1960s Marine Corps. Which is why some people cheer for the folks with firearms at the end.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:15:21 PM EDT
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If you've got an itch for a samurai movie I'd check out some of Akira Kurosawa's films.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:15:55 PM EDT
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For all his goofiness, Tom Cruise does make entertaining movies.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:16:24 PM EDT
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He didn't save shit, he almost died himself. More like "white man joins losing side, barely survives". I know a lot of people have called the movie "dances with katanas" but it's a waaaaaay better movie than the Costner flick. This review is shit. The last samurai was NOT Cruise, it was Watanabe's character. Anyone with half a brain would get that... Cruise's character was the NARRATOR of the downfall of the Bushido system through the life and death of the samurai lord portrayed by Watanabe (who knocked it out of the damned park with his portrayal). "I was insulted"... why? You're BLACK, the samurai were JAPANESE. People need to stop getting ass-hurt over shit that has nothing to do with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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White savior movie but I still liked it. Just like dances with wolves. He didn't save shit, he almost died himself. More like "white man joins losing side, barely survives". I know a lot of people have called the movie "dances with katanas" but it's a waaaaaay better movie than the Costner flick. This review is shit. The last samurai was NOT Cruise, it was Watanabe's character. Anyone with half a brain would get that... Cruise's character was the NARRATOR of the downfall of the Bushido system through the life and death of the samurai lord portrayed by Watanabe (who knocked it out of the damned park with his portrayal). "I was insulted"... why? You're BLACK, the samurai were JAPANESE. People need to stop getting ass-hurt over shit that has nothing to do with them. "Perfect" way of putting it! One of the all time epic films for me. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:17:40 PM EDT
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For all his goofiness, Tom Cruise does make entertaining movies. yup, wonder if he can be one of the greats later on? 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:22:22 PM EDT
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Check out the miniseries 'SHOGUN', or better yet read the novel.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:25:00 PM EDT
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Check out the miniseries 'SHOGUN', or better yet read the novel. I read that back in high school. I think it had around 1200 pages. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 1:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's a stretch, but definitely possible. So much of kendo/kenjutsu is about attitude and energy, and so if he had a natural aptitude (as well as experience with fencing/sabre), I absolutely believe that it's POSSIBLE to turn someone like that into a better-than average japanese sword-fighter in six months. Keep in mind also that this movie takes place LONG after the 1500s and early 1600s when the samurai were ALL heavily trained for the constant warfare in Japan. By the time of this movie, the vast majority of samurai were bureaucrats and probably just received cursory sword training - so someone receiving intensive training from the samurai who took their own training seriously could absolutely have a big advantage over an average "samurai" of the period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had a rough time believing that TC learned sword fighting in 6 months and cut the shit out of guys that have been doing it since birth. I think it's a stretch, but definitely possible. So much of kendo/kenjutsu is about attitude and energy, and so if he had a natural aptitude (as well as experience with fencing/sabre), I absolutely believe that it's POSSIBLE to turn someone like that into a better-than average japanese sword-fighter in six months. Keep in mind also that this movie takes place LONG after the 1500s and early 1600s when the samurai were ALL heavily trained for the constant warfare in Japan. By the time of this movie, the vast majority of samurai were bureaucrats and probably just received cursory sword training - so someone receiving intensive training from the samurai who took their own training seriously could absolutely have a big advantage over an average "samurai" of the period. |
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