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Please, compile this data for us and present your results here.
 

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So you're telling me that if I'm fishing with my wife and daughter and a bear attacks and I shoot it in self defense, I'm in trouble up there?? wtf. You call those guys good guys??

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My problem isn't spray vs firearm.  I have had two occasions to use bear spray against dogs in the neighborhood.  It worked both times.  And both times, I suffered the effects of the spray.  All it takes is a very light breeze to blow the fog back at you.  Now, if I could find bear spray that was deployed in a stream not a fog, I would carry it into bear country along with a gun.  Until then......


When I went to Canada last summer, there was a story about a biologist that was attacked by a bear.  The attack lasted 45 minutes he says.  He had spray and used it in short bursts until the can was empty.  He lived.  It almost sounded like the bear was playing with him despite the spray.

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If it is truly self defense of life or limb, you will be ok.



It will be investigated.

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So you're telling me that if I'm fishing with my wife and daughter and a bear attacks and I shoot it in self defense, I'm in trouble up there?? wtf. You call those guys good guys??

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If it is truly self defense of life or limb, you will be ok.

It will be investigated.

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If it is truly self defense of life or limb, you will be ok.

It will be investigated.

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If it is truly self defense of life or limb, you will be ok.

It will be investigated.

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Please, compile this data for us and present your results here.

 

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http://www.adn.com/article/are-guns-more-effective-pepper-spray-alaska-bear-attack

2011 article by a former Alasaka Dept of Fish and Wildlife Biologist

-author is a former junior high .22 competitor, former Marine and owns firearms (ie doesn't sound like a gun hating libtard if you believe him)
-in 70 percent of maulings by bears in Alaska in the time period studied someone in the group was armed with a firearm-NOTE-study did not include bear encounters where the bear was shot to giblets before mauling anyone, so take that with a grain of salt
-in 92% of grizzly attacks and 90% of black bear attacks where pepper spray was used the pepper spray stopped the attack and in the other cases it looks like there were minor injuries and no deaths
-1983 test of firearms by forest service-did not involve actually shooting bears: 44 magnum handgun considered minimally effective, 357 and 45 (I assume 45acp) were inadequate. The newer 460 454 etc where not tested (obviously because they did not exist in 83). 458 Magnum with 510 grain was highest ranked in effectiveness for rifles, 375 H and H and 338 Win Mag also did well 30-06 220 grain considered marginelly effective. 12 gauge was deemed effective with slugs, but not with buckshot

I read up on all this years ago when my wife and I were going to western Canada and hiking in the rockies in areas heavily populated by bears. I wasn't crazy about not being able to carry a firearm but I think there is a lot of hullabaloo posted here claiming that bear spray is ineffective and not taking into account the difficulty most people have in getting a firearm ready and hitting a charging bear effectively with a firearm.

An interesting flip side to this is my wife did not give two shits about anything I told her and basically had said I should try to sneak a gun into Canada or try to, er, get one there. Everytime we saw a "bear warning sign" (and there seemed to be lots of warning signs about bears, fire, avalanches, and logging trucks that I expected to see a burnging, run away logging truck barrelling down on me driven by grizzlies) she would look at the bear spray I had (we should have had two or more, not sure why we only bought one-also you can rent it but we were not returning to the same location) and mutter "should have brought a gun"
 

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What are they gonna do, interview the bears family?

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http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Three-bears-and-one-tough-hiker-4847473.php

story about a woman who was stalked by black bears and ended up stabbing one on a popular through trail in the Adirondacks

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If it is truly self defense of life or limb, you will be ok.

It will be investigated.

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Nonsense, there are many people in Alaska who will tell you a Glock in 9mm, 10mm or 45 is all you need in the woods

Its all about shot placement

With that BS being said, I carry a 12G with slugs

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Nonsense, there are many people in Alaska who will tell you a Glock in 9mm, 10mm or 45 is all you need in the woods





Its all about shot placement





With that BS being said, I carry a 12G with slugs

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It might not be possible.
People who are successful in using firearms to defend themselves against bear, are probably outdoors in bear country a lot, and are probably profecient with firearms.
They are also probably unlikely to file reports if they don't have to.  And in some cases, they may be worried about legal hassles by unserving and unreasonable government employees.
Some tourist with nothing but an empty can of pepper spray is going to be on the cell phone or otherwise looking for armed government employees after a bear attack.





 

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Nonsense, there are many people in Alaska who will tell you a Glock in 9mm, 10mm or 45 is all you need in the woods



Its all about shot placement



With that BS being said, I carry a 12G with slugs

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............ Everytime we saw a "bear warning sign" (and there seemed to be lots of warning signs about bears, fire, avalanches, and logging trucks that I expected to see a burnging, run away logging truck barrelling down on me driven by grizzlies) she would look at the bear spray I had (we should have had two or more, not sure why we only bought one-also you can rent it but we were not returning to the same location) and mutter "should have brought a gun"  

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Grizzlies are territorial; they attack because you're in their space.  Unless they're distracted by having plenty of food, they'll probably attack.  Bush pigs, black bears are he ones that are shy and head off when they detect people; unless they've learned they're a food source.

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Nonsense, there are many people in Alaska who will tell you a Glock in 9mm, 10mm or 45 is all you need in the woods

Its all about shot placement

With that BS being said, I carry a 12G with slugs

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Nonsense, there are many people in Alaska who will tell you a Glock in 9mm, 10mm or 45 is all you need in the woods

Its all about shot placement

With that BS being said, I carry a 12G with slugs

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What are they gonna do, interview the bears family?