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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:48:06 PM EDT
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First off, I love how people act like taking a round in the chest if you are wearing a BP vest is like shrugging off a fly. I tell you what, you could be wearing body armor and if a handful of SS agents uncork full auto on you with MP5s, you won't simply advanced like you're the Terminator. Which brings us to point #2. Their job isn't necessarily to defeat the threat with the first line responders. Their job is to protect and evacuate the President. If some some douchebag in full kit manages to turn the engagement into a prolonged affair until the next line responders show up with the big guns and end it, mission still accomplished if the SS inside get the Pres wrapped up and into a safe room or into the Beast and bail out.
Same thing as the aforementioned 50-100 people simultaneously jump the fence. If all the first line defenders do is buy enough time to get the Pres out of the situation, Mission accomplished. Gotta remember that they have a totally different job than an offensive military force. They have the means to buy whatever toys they feel they need to do the job, so I'm sure they have thought it through. ETA: and before someone mentions how heavily armored the North Hollywood shootout guys were and how they stood up to multiple shots with ease, try quickly jumping the white house fence with all that shit on. You'll get sniped and overrun before you get halfway up that bitch. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:50:34 PM EDT
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he HAD to be that close for the rounds to be effective.
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A few years ago when this same thing happened they all had P90s IIRC. http://i60.tinypic.com/2jcsilv.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a surprise I assumed they all carried mp7s now. A few years ago when this same thing happened they all had P90s IIRC. http://i60.tinypic.com/2jcsilv.jpg |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:51:00 PM EDT
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What if they're not really 9mm MP5s at all, but Phased Plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, INSIDE an MP5 shell!
The future is now ! 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:02:28 PM EDT
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to say nothing of November 22, 1963,September 22, 1975, and March 30, 1981, now one can be forgiven possibly the others? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used to think the USSS were some of the most professional and best trained people out of the alphabet agencies. Then the shoes being thrown at Bush, with the Iraqis taking the guy down instead of the SS, then the scandal with the whores in Columbia, and I know there's one other incident which escapes me at the moment, and now it's more like  .The grenade thing. to say nothing of November 22, 1963,September 22, 1975, and March 30, 1981, now one can be forgiven possibly the others? You forgot November 1, 1950. HST came very, very close to getting whacked. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:08:18 PM EDT
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This is correct. They are actually GSG .22 LR "MP5" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. This is correct. They are actually GSG .22 LR "MP5" I know that is BS! Nobody can get .22lr anymore....not even SS 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:19:46 PM EDT
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First off, I love how people act like taking a round in the chest if you are wearing a BP vest is like shrugging off a fly. I tell you what, you could be wearing body armor and if a handful of SS agents uncork full auto on you with MP5s, you won't simply advanced like you're the Terminator. Which brings us to point #2. Their job isn't necessarily to defeat the threat with the first line responders. Their job is to protect and evacuate the President. If some some douchebag in full kit manages to turn the engagement into a prolonged affair until the next line responders show up with the big guns and end it, mission still accomplished if the SS inside get the Pres wrapped up and into a safe room or into the Beast and bail out. Same thing as the aforementioned 50-100 people simultaneously jump the fence. If all the first line defenders do is buy enough time to get the Pres out of the situation, Mission accomplished. Gotta remember that they have a totally different job than an offensive military force. They have the means to buy whatever toys they feel they need to do the job, so I'm sure they have thought it through. ETA: and before someone mentions how heavily armored the North Hollywood shootout guys were and how they stood up to multiple shots with ease, try quickly jumping the white house fence with all that shit on. You'll get sniped and overrun before you get halfway up that bitch. Exactly. Nobody who was serious about harming the President via some ground attack would seek to do so while he was at the White House. An infantry attack on the White House would be simply a political statement not a strategic move to take out the CIC. You'd never reach the President quickly enough before they could lock him down safely unless of course you had some James Bond villain type bad guys with people on the inside. The President is most vulnerable when he's in transit and then he's still protected by a convoy of Secret Service ready to rock with plenty of 5.56 and most likely a QRF with gunships. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:21:26 PM EDT
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I worked at their HQ. They have an armory that would blow GD's mind. ETA Union membership has its privileges. Oh great, you just turned this into a union thread. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:24:47 PM EDT
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Exactly. Nobody who was serious about harming the President via some ground attack would seek to do so while he was at the White House. An infantry attack on the White House would be simply a political statement not a strategic move to take out the CIC. You'd never reach the President quickly enough before they could lock him down safely unless of course you had some James Bond villain type bad guys with people on the inside. The President is most vulnerable when he's in transit and then he's still protected by a convoy of Secret Service ready to rock with plenty of 5.56 and most likely a QRF with gunships. Going to have to disagree. If we can bring in our specially modified cargo plane and our urban assault garbage trucks, we can effectively make barricade the President inside unless he gets to his high speed space rail train that runs under the Potomac. I learned this from extensive research using first hand accounts and the following documentaries... 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:24:50 PM EDT
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[Han Solo] I don't know. I can imagine quite a bit. [/Han Solo] If there's not something more impressive than a handful of Davy Crocketts, directed energy weapons, brain freezing rays, remote viewers in cages for COMINT/ELINT/SIGINT/TINFOILINT/etc., ill-tempered less-than-lethal sea bass, and anything else needed for protection of the POTUS, I would feel a bit ripped off for the use of my tax dollars. 
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I worked at their HQ. They have an armory that would blow GD's mind. ETA Union membership has its privileges. [Han Solo] I don't know. I can imagine quite a bit. [/Han Solo] If there's not something more impressive than a handful of Davy Crocketts, directed energy weapons, brain freezing rays, remote viewers in cages for COMINT/ELINT/SIGINT/TINFOILINT/etc., ill-tempered less-than-lethal sea bass, and anything else needed for protection of the POTUS, I would feel a bit ripped off for the use of my tax dollars.
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From the recent fence jump. MP5 goodness. http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/09/20/white-house-security_wide-89e5d3eec3df6d3d223c50f5050d5f4c52eb9e05-s4-c85.jpg http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20140920&t=2&i=975135716&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=580&pl=378&r=LYNXMPEA8J00K http://imgick.gulflive.com/home/gulflive-media/pgmain/img/mississippi-press/photo/2014/09/19/-b48f90c430feaf82.jpg The pokeman jumper. These guys had M4's and mean ass doggy. http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/0JaRKie_PQw/0.jpg Is that Gary Sinise? I don't know, but there looks to be a real lard ass below the awning white shirt, looks like he has a sling. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:25:31 PM EDT
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Well....to be honest it seems the MP5s are only for show as they not only let the guy run across the yard but they left the door unlocked That's the Best Part! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:29:40 PM EDT
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Some loony jumping the fence and running? Happens all the time. Blowing their brains out would be unpopular and it's so far been unnecessary. They caught him, nobody died, life went on. I think it was handled fine. In this day and age of suicide bombers, that is an attitude that could come back and bite somebodies in the ass hard. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:41:03 PM EDT
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GuaJ0dk8tb4/TNUfch-9Y5I/AAAAAAAAAKc/6AfKK44-l28/s1600/marine-one.jpg More USSS goodies. Pretty sure thats Capitol Police. Being faggots posing in front of Marine One. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:49:01 PM EDT
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Lots of citizens sounding like they aren't to fond of our free and open society. I guess the alternative is we spend 100 billion on an Obama bunker and further isolate our political elites from the populace completely defeating the purpose of our republican form of government. It sounds like it was a good no-shoot, they are reviewing their security measures as a result. People may forget the White House got burned to the ground once before as well, its kind of a dangerous world out there. War of 1812 |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:49:20 PM EDT
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Even the pop-up machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. Even the pop-up machine guns? And don't forget the command detonated claymores.....or the fougasse barrels hidden in the bushes. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:51:13 PM EDT
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Neither Reagan or Clinton or either Bush were hell bent on destroying America as an ideal and as a country. All had their flaws but none have violated the oath of office and used the power of the office to attack conservatives like Obama has. He and those he surrounds himself with are traitors to this country. He is not worthy of the office and not worthy of our respect. That is not to say a conservative doctor should refuse to operate on him but I do not blindly worship the office. Presidents are men, not gods. And if God forbid something happened to him I truly believe Joe Biden would be an improvement. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I said it above, and I'll say it again. You do know that the doctor who operated on President Reagan was a liberal democrat, right? And that he was American enough to say "we are all Republicans today Sir?" I suppose you would rather he let Mr. Reagan die so as to be ideologically pure. Neither Reagan or Clinton or either Bush were hell bent on destroying America as an ideal and as a country. All had their flaws but none have violated the oath of office and used the power of the office to attack conservatives like Obama has. He and those he surrounds himself with are traitors to this country. He is not worthy of the office and not worthy of our respect. That is not to say a conservative doctor should refuse to operate on him but I do not blindly worship the office. Presidents are men, not gods. And if God forbid something happened to him I truly believe Joe Biden would be an improvement. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This gets so old. It really is a derangement syndrome of some kind. Posts like this are exactly why when some mentally impaired shooters FO, people here ask "what was their screen name?" You've drank your koolaid for so long that you seem to be unable to separate hyperbole from reality. If you honestly believe the things you just typed, why are you sitting at a computer and bitching? Why aren't you FOing? Normally I just keep scrolling, but mother of god, it's everywhere now! Every. Single. Thread. Are you guys just working on your post count, or are you that all-consumed? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:51:55 PM EDT
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The MP5 is the swiss watch of firearms. You don't have to aim, just point in the general direction and pull the trigger and the gun does the rest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sexy firearms. Surprised no optics on the weapons. The MP5 is the swiss watch of firearms. You don't have to aim, just point in the general direction and pull the trigger and the gun does the rest. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sexy firearms. Surprised no optics on the weapons. The MP5 is the swiss watch of firearms. You don't have to aim, just point in the general direction and pull the trigger and the gun does the rest. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:53:33 PM EDT
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I'm just kind of tweaked that the King can protect himself and his family with cool NFA toys that I'm not allowed to own. (Yes, I'm aware of Transferables.)
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:29:42 PM EDT
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Pretty sure thats Capitol Police. Being faggots posing in front of Marine One. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GuaJ0dk8tb4/TNUfch-9Y5I/AAAAAAAAAKc/6AfKK44-l28/s1600/marine-one.jpg More USSS goodies. Pretty sure thats Capitol Police. Being faggots posing in front of Marine One. Yeah, the Capital emblem on their patches made me wonder why the USSS were THAT undercover.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:30:40 PM EDT
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In the pictures I have seen of the Secret Service agents at the White House during the incursion this week, I noticed they all had MP5's. If a determined adversary showed up in body armor with AK/AR15's wouldn't the guys with MP5's be in trouble ? Think a major review of the weapons in use should be underway ? Any one think our adversaries have taken notice ? They got magic ammo. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:30:56 PM EDT
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Many of you kids here may not remember this nut from back in Nov 06 when he opened up on the WH.
No head shot from a WH roof top sniper, just two citizens taking him down until police arrived. WH be bullet proof 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:36:50 PM EDT
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When I'm president, I'll make sure every USSS officer, hell, every federal agent down to the Dept of Education, carries a 240B everywhere they go. When I am Lord Protector of the Republic they they will lock the fucking doors on the Pale Palace and have two guards standing next to every exterior access door...and if they are not some people's heads will be decorating my Iron Fence. Right next to the heads of the fuckwits who try to climb the fucking fence. 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "10 millimeter explosive tip caseless. Standard light armor piercing round, why?" |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:48:12 PM EDT
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This is correct. They are actually GSG .22 LR "MP5" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. This is correct. They are actually GSG .22 LR "MP5" That's where all the .22 went! 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:55:58 PM EDT
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MP5 on-a-stick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. MP5 on-a-stick.  best laugh I had all day.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Normally I'd agree but this isn't you run of the mill political opponent. This guy hates the US and everything about it and most of us - so I'm going with the first guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. In the first few minutes, on the ground, that's all I see in pictures. I know they have more somewhere. But this guy proved it only takes around 42 seconds to get over the fence and through the front door. Shouldn't the first line of defense have more than MP5's ? We gonna need a different president for me to care. I cannot fathom this mentality. I do not like President Obama's politics, his policies, his methods, his attitudes, his manner, his attitude, his dang near anything, but he was elected to the office he holds by a majority of the voters of this country. I may hope fervently that he fails at his domestic agenda, and find his foreign agenda deplorable, misguided, and amateurish, but if someone attacks the President with violence, they are attacking far more than just that man. Normally I'd agree but this isn't you run of the mill political opponent. This guy hates the US and everything about it and most of us - so I'm going with the first guy. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:38:40 PM EDT
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They have a super sharp shooter with a 22 LR to shoot a criminal with body armor in the ear with a 22LR.
Of course I'm kidding, but remember my father watching the 97 North Hollywood bank robbers saying without missing a beat "I'd shoot him in the throat or ankle and stop this whole silly mess". He's gone now but I've seen him drop a running deer so believe he could do it. I think putting a lot more dogs on site would probably solve most of their problems, no one is going to out run a Malinois and the chance of a fatal event is small. Quick minds and good planning is better than more firepower. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:59:57 PM EDT
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Quick minds and good planning is better than more firepower. I'm concerned we have neither ! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:29:57 PM EDT
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I'm concerned we have neither ! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quick minds and good planning is better than more firepower. I'm concerned we have neither ! Then you are a fool. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:28:02 PM EDT
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Then you are a fool. Maybe, but if this the surveillance upgrade in effect at the WH, I'm not impressed. 
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:29:22 PM EDT
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Maybe, but if this the surveillance upgrade in effect at the WH, I'm not impressed. http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then you are a fool. Maybe, but if this the surveillance upgrade in effect at the WH, I'm not impressed. http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg Cool, I just got to use the new image approval system. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:31:36 PM EDT
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Cool, I just got to use the new image approval system. I finally contributed here. 
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Posted: 9/23/2014 2:43:20 PM EDT
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It was all downhill after the P90 was phased out. Nah, they are still using them (at least the ERT is). http://time.com/3421801/secret-service-white-house-security-breach/ |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 3:18:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: best laugh I had all day.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes OP, the only weapons the SS has at the WH are MP5s. MP5 on-a-stick. best laugh I had all day. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 3:41:41 PM EDT
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Maybe, but if this the surveillance upgrade in effect at the WH, I'm not impressed. http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then you are a fool. Maybe, but if this the surveillance upgrade in effect at the WH, I'm not impressed. http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CC842_WHITEH_G_20140922182912.jpg I don't think they care if you're impressed so I guess it's a stalemate. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 11:44:09 PM EDT
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unlocked front door, ...mp5-toting security, ...agents whoring it up out of country, ...i'd say the quality of security is a reflection of, and commensurate with, what the occupant is deserving of...
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:26:02 AM EDT
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unlocked front door, ...mp5-toting security, ...agents whoring it up out of country, ...i'd say the quality of security is a reflection of, and commensurate with, what the occupant is deserving of... You guys crack me up. |
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