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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:09:45 PM EDT
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is the SN removed or you just cant find one?
look up when the date of when SNs on firearms were required. some old guns never had numbers to begin with... |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:11:42 PM EDT
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is the SN removed or you just cant find one? look up when the date of when SNs on firearms were required. some old guns never had numbers to begin with... |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:12:12 PM EDT
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Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, serial numbers were not legally required.
If it had a serial number and was removed, or the gun made after 1968, you got troubles. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Let's say, hypothetically, that you're at a shoot with some friends, and an acquaintance that's doesn't know much about guns shows you a rifle and wants to know more about it. It's a .30-30 he got from his grandpa, and it hasn't seen the light of day in who knows how long. You look at it, and you notice almost immediately that the SN is gone, and he has no idea about that even being a legal issue. Legally, what would be his options? Would the best option be to chop the receiver and sell it off as a parts kit? . Research the rifle before putting any more fear in to the owner. THEN if you do find it to be a questionable gun chop saw. BUT yank the stock, internals and what ever else could be sold as parts. If not have him clean it up and shoot away. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:15:20 PM EDT
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Was it removed or was it just not there?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:15:58 PM EDT
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I had an inherited gun that experienced some rust damage to the side of the receiver. It looks like a rag with something caustic was left to sit on the gun. After trying to clean it up, the one letter was barely visible. I reblued the receiver with the hope that the letter would be more visible. I had the gun destroyed rather than deal with the potential drama.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:17:21 PM EDT
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Write a serial number on it with a Sharpie and give it back to him.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:30:32 PM EDT
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is the SN removed or you just cant find one? look up when the date of when SNs on firearms were required. some old guns never had numbers to begin with... First post nails it yet again. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:37:19 PM EDT
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I had an inherited gun that experienced some rust damage to the side of the receiver. It looks like a rag with something caustic was left to sit on the gun. After trying to clean it up, the one letter was barely visible. I reblued the receiver with the hope that the letter would be more visible. I had the gun destroyed rather than deal with the potential drama. Really? lol |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:45:16 PM EDT
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there are ways to bring out markings stamped in metal...
figure it might be good info in this thread. Might be something to look into if you have a sentimental or valuable firearm that gets damaged. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:46:42 PM EDT
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If a new law in Washington state passes you will not be able to shoot his gun
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:02:25 PM EDT
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is the SN removed or you just cant find one? look up when the date of when SNs on firearms were required. some old guns never had numbers to begin with... Yup. Lots of guns with no sn. Now if it was removed with a file or something that would be weird, but not the end all. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:13:35 PM EDT
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Let me know where it is and I'll pick it up for.... disposal.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:16:02 PM EDT
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It was there all along. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there are ways to bring out markings stamped in metal... figure it might be good info in this thread. Might be something to look into if you have a sentimental or valuable firearm that gets damaged. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:51:15 PM EDT
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Really? lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had an inherited gun that experienced some rust damage to the side of the receiver. It looks like a rag with something caustic was left to sit on the gun. After trying to clean it up, the one letter was barely visible. I reblued the receiver with the hope that the letter would be more visible. I had the gun destroyed rather than deal with the potential drama. Really? lol You realize it's a crime to have a gun where the serial number was removed right? For some of us it's not worth the hassle |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 11:11:17 PM EDT
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Yep wherever the metal was compacted when stamped it can be brought out again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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there are ways to bring out markings stamped in metal... figure it might be good info in this thread. Might be something to look into if you have a sentimental or valuable firearm that gets damaged. How effective are these methods? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How effective are these methods? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: there are ways to bring out markings stamped in metal... figure it might be good info in this thread. Might be something to look into if you have a sentimental or valuable firearm that gets damaged. How effective are these methods? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:31:18 AM EDT
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ATF can assign you a personal number on your older firearm that did not have one to begin with. I bought an old high standard j.c. Higgins shotgun at a pawnshop once with no serial number. It was made in 1954. I got tired of too many dumbasses asking me why it had no serial number. I sold it later on cause the barrel was too long and was a fixed full choke. There are ignorant people and not to be mean, but uneducated Law Enforcement who do not know all the laws about firearms.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:34:14 AM EDT
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You realize it's a crime to have a gun where the serial number was removed right? For some of us it's not worth the hassle So it was intentionally removed...or just really hard to make out due to the firearms poor condition? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 12:48:13 PM EDT
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I had an inherited gun that experienced some rust damage to the side of the receiver. It looks like a rag with something caustic was left to sit on the gun. After trying to clean it up, the one letter was barely visible. I reblued the receiver with the hope that the letter would be more visible. I had the gun destroyed rather than deal with the potential drama. Acid etching would have most likely brought the number back out. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:05:25 PM EDT
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So it was intentionally removed...or just really hard to make out due to the firearms poor condition? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You realize it's a crime to have a gun where the serial number was removed right? For some of us it's not worth the hassle So it was intentionally removed...or just really hard to make out due to the firearms poor condition? For the purposes of this thread, let's assume that it was deliberately removed. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:07:04 PM EDT
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is the SN removed or you just cant find one? look up when the date of when SNs on firearms were required. some old guns never had numbers to begin with... yup some of the older lever guns did not have them...but Serial Numbers on guns can also be brought back to life by a competent smith or restorer. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 3:08:27 PM EDT
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For the purposes of this thread, let's assume that it was deliberately removed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You realize it's a crime to have a gun where the serial number was removed right? For some of us it's not worth the hassle So it was intentionally removed...or just really hard to make out due to the firearms poor condition? For the purposes of this thread, let's assume that it was deliberately removed. Acid etch it back and call it a day.... |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:59:48 PM EDT
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Acid etch it back and call it a day.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You realize it's a crime to have a gun where the serial number was removed right? For some of us it's not worth the hassle So it was intentionally removed...or just really hard to make out due to the firearms poor condition? For the purposes of this thread, let's assume that it was deliberately removed. Acid etch it back and call it a day.... Are there any good tutorials or links for the appropriate solutions? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:09:11 PM EDT
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Write a serial number on it with a Sharpie and give it back to him. this, gtg 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:20:41 PM EDT
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I just bought a 4 inch 45 ACP smooth bore handgun with no serial number made in 1943. Totally legal. Any guesses?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:22:21 PM EDT
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Weld it up remachine refinish. Now its a pre 68 whatsit.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:23:39 PM EDT
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Let's say, hypothetically, that you're at a shoot with some friends, and an acquaintance that's doesn't know much about guns shows you a rifle and wants to know more about it. It's a .30-30 he got from his grandpa, and it hasn't seen the light of day in who knows how long. You look at it, and you notice almost immediately that the SN is gone, and he has no idea about that even being a legal issue. Legally, what would be his options? Would the best option be to chop the receiver and sell it off as a parts kit? Legally, his best option is to speak with a competent attorney. Grandpa's gun may never even have had a serial number, and a good attorney will contact then an expert and begin doing his job. But your friend should definitely chop up the gun. Then post pics. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:26:20 PM EDT
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Are there any good tutorials or links for the appropriate solutions? Hypothetically, of course. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:28:12 PM EDT
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I've got a .22 my grandpa gave me that doesn't have a serial number. He got it from his dad when he was 7. I'm not worried...
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:56:06 PM EDT
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I bought a .22 from a gun shop that did not have a serial number on it. It might just be older than you think. Lever action 30-30's have been around a long time.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 7:59:46 PM EDT
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I just bought a 4 inch 45 ACP smooth bore handgun with no serial number made in 1943. Totally legal. Any guesses? You actually spent the money for a Liberator? 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:20:48 PM EDT
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I got it for 1250.00 Not a bad price.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:44:01 PM EDT
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I seem to remember that there are a lot of specific rules about remarking a serial number. Dont think you can just wipe out a SN and remark it yourself but I dont know.
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Weld it up remachine refinish. Now its a pre 68 whatsit. Are you saying weld it up and omit a serial number?? |
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