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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:04:15 PM EDT
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salmonid,
Instead of acting like a little twit about all of this, why don't you pull up some 1G thrust for level flight envelopes for similarly configured F-4/14/15/16/18s MIL/MAX, and plot them all out on the same chart. Bonus points for doing so at the same % fuel config, or some sort of normalization based on range. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:04:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The context was explained as WVR 1 v 1 combat. But please, continue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And BTW I have seen the F/A-18 A+ handle a Viper like it was child's play! Regards less of your emotions, the F/A-18's only A2A advantage (against the f-16) is electronic. His only hope WVR would be to get the fight slow and horizontal. lol--that's a pretty fucking major advantage, since the whole point of air combat is not to get WVR in the first place. but please continue. The context was explained as WVR 1 v 1 combat. But please, continue. so your argument boils down to... "the f-18 is a turd because it is not optimized for the thing that fighter pilots are not supposed to do." aside from the additional engineering classes that the experienced guys are suggesting, you should probably squeeze in summer courses in elementary logic and problem-centered analysis. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:06:48 PM EDT
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salmon, I can go all night long like Lionel Fucking Richie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have some real world experience with shit other then saying to a customer, "Good Evening, tonight's specials are.........and what can I get you to drink and would you all care for some appetizers?" |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:07:26 PM EDT
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would build 2 degrees and bring the hole back to the top right of the target radius over 45 feet of pipe to be drilled. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. I'm just quoting this so you can't delete it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then entertain me by offering some sort of intelligent answer. You'd think that would be the default response for someone with your level of intelligence and experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm glad you asked. According to Beoing, the conformal tanks would not cause any additional cruise drag. This was largely true of the F-15 and F-16. Unfortunately you do not have to be a rocket surgeon to see that any additional external protrusion can cause an exponential increase in wave drag during transonic flight (especially during acceleration). In this cause, the CFTs would cause a massive increase in wave drag and exacerbate the already poor transonic performance of an aircraft designed for (comparatively) slow speed stability. Furthermore, the F/A-18 lacks power. The CFTs would only make an already bad T/W worse. Why don't you attempt a rebuttal instead of simply insulting my spelling ability? Then entertain me by offering some sort of intelligent answer. You'd think that would be the default response for someone with your level of intelligence and experience. Familiar?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:08:23 PM EDT
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It's only redeeming factor is it's low speed maneuverability.....in a clean configuration.....under 10,000 feet. The F/A-18 is a glorified bomb truck that criminally replaced the greatest carrier based interceptor in history. Also, McDonnell Douglas can suck a dick for playing the generation game with Lockheed. Not one model or variant of the F/A-18 can break the sound barrier under 10,000' in level flight. Boeing crapped themselves when they designed the wing as well. It relies on way to much induced downwash, and drags like no other. Thoughts? Eta: low Eta: When I said, "...break the sound barrier under 10,000' in level flight" I meant, given a normal combat armament and fuel. I dont think many fighters can break the sound barrier while carrying a full payload. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:08:52 PM EDT
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F/A-18's redeeming attribute is being able to fly twice a day, 7 days a week for weeks on end. F-14 was never that reliable and was lucky to fly 3-4 times a week. You sir are full of shit. We flew F-14's from the boat while underway from morning till late at night, day in day out. Launch, recover, refuel, ect. Where do you get your data from? I was there. You? In his defense maintenance hours to flight hours were high towards the end. Incidentally, we have a Navy pilot in our troop, now. I was just getting to know him over the campout this weekend. Super interesting and intelligent man. He flew EA-6B electronic warfare aircraft during the first Gulf War. We briefly broached the subject of the F14 and he said it had its issues. Was more difficult than average to fly. Higher ratio of maintenance to flight hours. But....it does its job well. OP  The Hornet is awesome at what it does. You gonna shit on the warthog because it can't go fast? It does what it's supposed to and does it very well.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:10:41 PM EDT
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This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on. 
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:11:01 PM EDT
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This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:11:07 PM EDT
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salmon, I can go all night long like Lionel Fucking Richie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have some real world experience with shit other then saying to a customer, "Good Evening, tonight's specials are.........and what can I get you to drink and would you all care for some appetizers?" You believe that helicopters are mathematically impossible. You believe that trigonometry can be "wrong". You have no credibility. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:11:35 PM EDT
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Supersonic flow can happen at sub Mach aircraft velocity in certain areas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's only redeeming factor is it's low speed maneuverability.....in a clean configuration.....under 10,000 feet. The F/A-18 is a glorified bomb truck that criminally replaced the greatest carrier based interceptor in history. Also, McDonnell Douglas can suck a dick for playing the generation game with Lockheed. Not one model or variant of the F/A-18 can break the sound barrier under 10,000' in level flight. Boeing crapped themselves when they designed the wing as well. It relies on way to much induced downwash, and drags like no other. Thoughts? Eta: low I've seen this happen in person. The presence of a vapor cone doesn't necessarily mean the aircraft was supersonic. It's often just a psychrometric thing. But, you still don't even have to have localized supersonic airflow to induce Prandtl–Glauert-type condensation. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:12:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:12:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:12:14 PM EDT
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I am not a naval pilot but I got a good nights sleep and I have seen Top gun a few times.
Supersonic means nothing it wastes fuel, the best attack plane of the last 40 years was the A7- no afterburner For A-A uses the dogfight scenes are all subsonic in Top Gun and the AMRAAM and sidewinders are supersonic most of our enemies have no aircraft at all so we could bomb them with F4-U Corsairs, in fact I wish we still did. We definitely do not have the nuts to go with any first world opponents. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread, we are treated to a fine example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Look it up, ye looker-uppers.  And yes, your prognosis sounds spot on. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:13:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: {SIC} I'm just quoting this so you can't delete it. Quote all fucking day. I have no problem admitting Im wrong. I dont come on here proclaiming anything other then Im an asshole and been around the block a few times to know that just because the math says one thing on paper, that it can in fact be the opposite in real world applications. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:13:59 PM EDT
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This has been entertaining.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:15:30 PM EDT
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You believe that helicopters are mathematically impossible. You believe that trigonometry can be "wrong". You have no credibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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salmon, I can go all night long like Lionel Fucking Richie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have some real world experience with shit other then saying to a customer, "Good Evening, tonight's specials are.........and what can I get you to drink and would you all care for some appetizers?" You believe that helicopters are mathematically impossible. You believe that trigonometry can be "wrong". You have no credibility. Reading is Fundamental........read carefully now The trig in many directional drilling situations for sliding to build and turn or drop inclination was correct on paper but the real world application did not perform as the math said. You really are dense. I am sure there are a few other Directional Drillers on here who have had the same shit happen to them. If math is correct then no need to worry about ramifications(with your own company mainly) from the company man or the leasing company when you cant hit your fuckinig target. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:16:22 PM EDT
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'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Lift Coefficient times air density times velocity of air squared over 2 times wing area. Lift=Cl(d)(v^2)1/2(a) You are wrong. Admit it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:17:55 PM EDT
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Then entertain me by offering some sort of intelligent answer. You'd think that would be the default response for someone with your level of intelligence and experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm glad you asked. According to Beoing, the conformal tanks would not cause any additional cruise drag. This was largely true of the F-15 and F-16. Unfortunately you do not have to be a rocket surgeon to see that any additional external protrusion can cause an exponential increase in wave drag during transonic flight (especially during acceleration). In this cause, the CFTs would cause a massive increase in wave drag and exacerbate the already poor transonic performance of an aircraft designed for (comparatively) slow speed stability. Furthermore, the F/A-18 lacks power. The CFTs would only make an already bad T/W worse. Why don't you attempt a rebuttal instead of simply insulting my spelling ability? Then entertain me by offering some sort of intelligent answer. You'd think that would be the default response for someone with your level of intelligence and experience. I love it when newbs do this to someone we all know can bury them in piles of informative facts, data, evidence, tables etc. 
I gotta give the kid props, though. He had just enough info to get a rise. Probably should have been ignored. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:18:27 PM EDT
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Plot twist
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:18:28 PM EDT
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Has the OP ever been in a 4 G, inverted dive with a MIG-28?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:18:44 PM EDT
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Lift Coefficient times air density times velocity of air squared over 2 times wing area. Lift=Cl(d)(v^2)1/2(a) You are wrong. Admit it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Lift Coefficient times air density times velocity of air squared over 2 times wing area. Lift=Cl(d)(v^2)1/2(a) You are wrong. Admit it. I think I already did. You really are dense. I highlighted it in bold red for you salmoin!!!! |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:19:32 PM EDT
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I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Lol. No, you're right. It's mathematically impossible for helicopters to fly. That's why I went to wizard school instead of flight school. 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:19:55 PM EDT
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Has the OP ever been in a 4 G, inverted dive with a MIG-28? At what range? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:20:24 PM EDT
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Lift Coefficient times air density times velocity of air squared over 2 times wing area. Lift=Cl(d)(v^2)1/2(a) You are wrong. Admit it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Lift Coefficient times air density times velocity of air squared over 2 times wing area. Lift=Cl(d)(v^2)1/2(a) You are wrong. Admit it. Damn...I bet I have more time around the legacy Bugs than you do and I was just an ABE. Dude, quit before someone with real time in one comes in and spanks you. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the OP ever been in a 4 G, inverted dive with a MIG-28? doubt it but I bet he plays beach volleyball |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:20:39 PM EDT
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Boeing aerospace engineer here, also a ground combat vet who has seen F/A-18's in action. Do me a favor and just finish your degree and get some experience in the field before you spout your ignorance and give all of us a bad reputation.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:20:44 PM EDT
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Reading is Fundamental........read carefully now The trig in many directional drilling situations for sliding to build and turn or drop inclination was correct on paper but the real world application did not perform as the math said. You really are dense. I am sure there are a few other Directional Drillers on here who have had the same shit happen to them. If math is correct then no need to worry about ramifications(with your own company mainly) from the company man or the leasing company when you cant hit your fuckinig target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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salmon, I can go all night long like Lionel Fucking Richie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have some real world experience with shit other then saying to a customer, "Good Evening, tonight's specials are.........and what can I get you to drink and would you all care for some appetizers?" You believe that helicopters are mathematically impossible. You believe that trigonometry can be "wrong". You have no credibility. Reading is Fundamental........read carefully now The trig in many directional drilling situations for sliding to build and turn or drop inclination was correct on paper but the real world application did not perform as the math said. You really are dense. I am sure there are a few other Directional Drillers on here who have had the same shit happen to them. If math is correct then no need to worry about ramifications(with your own company mainly) from the company man or the leasing company when you cant hit your fuckinig target. You did your math wrong. If you can prove that trigonometry can provide an incorrect angle measurement (when applied correctly) then you have made a historic discovery. Until then, stop calling other people dense. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:20:54 PM EDT
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'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
'' I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. You are without question wrong. Helicopters achieve lift using wings, just like an airplane. It's just that since the helicopter is designed to hover, the wings are in the form of the rotor and are spun. Not sure how freely available this is: Principles of Helicopter Aerodynamics by Leishman, but it was my most used reference for my Master's thesis, recommended if you want to know more. Leishman also likes history a great deal, and that perspective is quite interesting and it seems a good bit of that section is available online. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:21:07 PM EDT
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Lol. No, you're right. It's mathematically impossible for helicopters to fly. That's why Inwent to wizard school instead of flight school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could have sworn I read somewhere that the math of a helicopter to work is impossible. If i am wrong..... I can freely admit it. By all means correct me if I am wrong. Lol. No, you're right. It's mathematically impossible for helicopters to fly. That's why Inwent to wizard school instead of flight school. Was Hermione hot when you were in wizard school?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:21:07 PM EDT
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... This says it all. I agree. I also remember OP pulling a shit show with another thread. I can't remember what it was. I just remember his name and saying to myself: 'I thought the shit shows ended with the 13ers.' |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:21:32 PM EDT
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This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
I think he's either confusing Helos with bumble bees (which I've seen data that says they shouldn't be able to fly) or he's just remembering some traditional anecdote that get's passed down. Doesn't mean the OP isn't still retarded, if that's the case. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:23:19 PM EDT
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I like how the OP is ignoring all of the pilots and engineers who are telling him he is full of shit.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Familiar? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By Keith_J Get back to us when you can spell. Why don't you attempt a rebuttal instead of simply insulting my spelling ability? Then entertain me by offering some sort of intelligent answer. You'd think that would be the default response for someone with your level of intelligence and experience. Familiar? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:24:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:25:03 PM EDT
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You did your math wrong. If you can prove that trigonometry can provide an incorrect angle measurement (when applied correctly) then you have made a historic discovery. Until then, stop calling other people dense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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salmon, I can go all night long like Lionel Fucking Richie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you have some real world experience with shit other then saying to a customer, "Good Evening, tonight's specials are.........and what can I get you to drink and would you all care for some appetizers?" You believe that helicopters are mathematically impossible. You believe that trigonometry can be "wrong". You have no credibility. Reading is Fundamental........read carefully now The trig in many directional drilling situations for sliding to build and turn or drop inclination was correct on paper but the real world application did not perform as the math said. You really are dense. I am sure there are a few other Directional Drillers on here who have had the same shit happen to them. If math is correct then no need to worry about ramifications(with your own company mainly) from the company man or the leasing company when you cant hit your fuckinig target. You did your math wrong. If you can prove that trigonometry can provide an incorrect angle measurement (when applied correctly) then you have made a historic discovery. Until then, stop calling other people dense. You really are fucking stupid........math was spot on. Even the company verified, then engineers at the office on top of my boss, Trig was not incorrect as to how much we should slide but the real world application it didnt do as the math said. Like I said, a few DDs are on here and can verify this shit can happen in a real world application. Give up salmmy your not able to comprehend that just because the paper says go up, that real world you will be going down (Used a simple analogy to this who discussion for your ease) |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:26:12 PM EDT
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You did your math wrong. If you can prove that trigonometry can provide an incorrect angle measurement (when applied correctly) then you have made a historic discovery. Until then, stop calling other people dense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<cut> You did your math wrong. If you can prove that trigonometry can provide an incorrect angle measurement (when applied correctly) then you have made a historic discovery. Until then, stop calling other people dense. Hey, instead of sophomoric rhetoric, shouldn't you be working on some Excel graphs that overlay 1G envelopes? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:26:15 PM EDT
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I think he's either confusing Helos with bumble bees (which I've seen data that says they shouldn't be able to fly) or he's just remembering some traditional anecdote that get's passed down. Doesn't mean the OP isn't still retarded, if that's the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read very carefully junior...... Just because mathematically something works or doesnt't work and is the correct equations on paper does not mean in a real world application that it will perform as the math equation says. That is what these apples are all about!!! Your proving your ineptitude of reading comprehension with every post. So that is why I didn't quote previous replies. Mathematically a helicopter should not be able to leave the ground based on the varies equations to create lift and thrust and whatever else. But holy fuck me in the goat ass helicopters lift off the ground and do cool shit. Directional drilling with a bent motor requires specific trig equations to determine the amount of inclination(build/drop angle) and azimuth to hit our target. I have been on many wells were my math said to slide 90 right for 6.8 feet and I would buil 2 degrees over 45 feet. Holy fucking shit batman I didn't build any angle and had to resort to triple the length of slide and built only 2 degrees over 96 feet. So college boy, hope that helps you understand your not some genius just because you read something in some bullshit book by some bullshit author who has no real world experience and sits behind a desk their whole lives. This statement is pure retardation; but if I'm not picking up on sarcasm and you're just trolling OP, carry on.
I think he's either confusing Helos with bumble bees (which I've seen data that says they shouldn't be able to fly) or he's just remembering some traditional anecdote that get's passed down. Doesn't mean the OP isn't still retarded, if that's the case. I have read that as well that bumble bees should be able to fly based on math etc |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:26:16 PM EDT
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I like how the OP is ignoring all of the pilots and engineers who are telling him he is full of shit. OPs dad is probably the retarded engineer that thought Super Hornets needed canted pylons. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:26:34 PM EDT
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Boeing aerospace engineer here, also a ground combat vet who has seen F/A-18's in action. Do me a favor and just finish your degree and get some experience in the field before you spout your ignorance and give all of us a bad reputation. Why am I wrong? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why am I wrong? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Boeing aerospace engineer here, also a ground combat vet who has seen F/A-18's in action. Do me a favor and just finish your degree and get some experience in the field before you spout your ignorance and give all of us a bad reputation. Why am I wrong? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:29:38 PM EDT
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I like how the OP is ignoring all of the pilots and engineers who are telling him he is full of shit. So you noticed that too.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:29:59 PM EDT
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I studied Aeronautical Engineering once. I flunked out and had to fly a cargo plane, full of rubber dog shit, out of Hong Kong.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:30:24 PM EDT
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I like how the OP is ignoring all of the pilots and engineers who are telling him he is full of shit. OPs dad is probably the retarded engineer that thought Super Hornets needed canted pylons. Just take the damn inboards off! Hehe |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:30:48 PM EDT
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Boeing aerospace engineer here, also a ground combat vet who has seen F/A-18's in action. Do me a favor and just finish your degree and get some experience in the field before you spout your ignorance and give all of us a bad reputation. Why am I wrong? Are you fucking serious? You remind me of the dumb shit kid that a FDNY member on here saved from an ass beating. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:31:17 PM EDT
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You really are fucking stupid........math was spot on. Even the company verified, then engineers at the office on top of my boss, Trig was not incorrect as to how much we should slide but the real world application it didnt do as the math said. Like I said, a few DDs are on here and can verify this shit can happen in a real world application. Give up salmmy your not able to comprehend that just because the paper says go up, that real world you will be going down (Used a simple analogy to this who discussion for your ease) That's uncalled for. There you go. Applied mathematics is an entirely different subject. Trigonometry can't be wrong. It's application can. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:33:26 PM EDT
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I think he's either confusing Helos with bumble bees (which I've seen data that says they shouldn't be able to fly) or he's just remembering some traditional anecdote that get's passed down. Doesn't mean the OP isn't still retarded, if that's the case. Bumble bees. Humming birds. Helicopters. It's been anecdotal myth that, "mathematically", none of them should be able to fly for decades. It's not true of course but, after nearly 30 years, I've given up trying to dispel such myths and choose to perpetuate them instead. It makes my defying of gravity gravity for a living seem that much cooler. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:33:59 PM EDT
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You really are fucking stupid........math was spot on. Even the company verified, then engineers at the office on top of my boss, Trig was not incorrect as to how much we should slide but the real world application it didnt do as the math said. Like I said, a few DDs are on here and can verify this shit can happen in a real world application. Give up salmmy your not able to comprehend that just because the paper says go up, that real world you will be going down (Used a simple analogy to this who discussion for your ease) That's uncalled for. There you go. Applied mathematics is an entirely different subject. Trigonometry can't be wrong. It's application can. You seem to really be going out of your way to prove him right |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:33:59 PM EDT
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Boeing aerospace engineer here, also a ground combat vet who has seen F/A-18's in action. Do me a favor and just finish your degree and get some experience in the field before you spout your ignorance and give all of us a bad reputation. Why am I wrong? Are you fucking serious? You remind me of the dumb shit kid that a FDNY member on here saved from an ass beating. Pretty strong words for someone who believed that helicopters are mathematically impossible. |
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