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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:32:57 PM EDT
       Congressman Charlie Wilson            |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:34:27 PM EDT
[#1]
... Cool!
Who won that war?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:34:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.csmonitor.com/var/archive/storage/images/media/images/1222-russia-afghanistan-30years/7144674-1-eng-US/1222-russia-afghanistan-30years_full_600.jpghttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/jake19drunkpunk/186thMail0001.jpg Congressman Charlie Wilson Those poor fucks still had hob nails in their boots. Sweet Jesus....
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:35:39 PM EDT
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Damn, did the soviets ever get color cameras?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:36:26 PM EDT
[#4]
Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Cool! Who won that war? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:38:46 PM EDT
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Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:43:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:54:20 PM EDT
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... Cool!Who won that war? The crazies. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 2:59:34 PM EDT
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Afghanistan really meant nothing economically(NO oil or natural resources that could be sold. Really nothing going for it except............They bordered Pakistan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? <facepalm> Did everyone sleep through the 1970s, or what? The Soviets went into Afghanistan for two basic reasons: First, the idiocy Carter enabled by allowing the Shah of Iran to fall, and having the Islamic Revolution on their flank scared the hell out of the communists, and the second reason was that they were worried about a "reverse domino syndrome" if they let the Islamists take Afghanistan back. The theory was, first lose Afghanistan, then all the other "-stans". So--Prevention, much as we were worried about Vietnam in Southeast Asia, and the need for a way to threaten the Iranians from another flank. Or, so the reasoning went... Yeah, the Soviets probably did want a warm-water port, as a continuation of the Great Game that they played with the British Empire, but the actual odds of getting a port on the Indian Ocean? Not looking really good, there, Ivan. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:02:40 PM EDT
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pictures That little kid with the AK, guess who he is shooting at now? I wouldn't be surprised if any of our Shitghanistan vets had a run in with or killed him. I guess it all comes full circle. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:07:24 PM EDT
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... Cool!Who won that war? The Egyptians and the Israeli. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:10:15 PM EDT
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That little kid with the AK, guess who he is shooting at now? I wouldn't be surprised if any of our Shitghanistan vets had a run in with or killed him. I guess it all comes full circle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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pictures That little kid with the AK, guess who he is shooting at now? I wouldn't be surprised if any of our Shitghanistan vets had a run in with or killed him. I guess it all comes full circle. That little kid is most likely dead. They started killing each other the minutes the Soviets left. They didn't have to wait around for Americans to show-up for their blood lust. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:14:50 PM EDT
[#15]
I think we were on the wrong side.
Those pics makes me wish we would've funded the soviets and given them whatever material assistance they needed. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:18:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Awesome pics as always saigaman!
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:19:04 PM EDT
[#17]
45 round Bakelite AK-74 mags? If so, AIM Surplus was selling them a while back. 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:20:12 PM EDT
[#18]
Soviets rolled in with tanks like they were going to fight NATO in Germany or something.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <facepalm> Did everyone sleep through the 1970s, or what? The Soviets went into Afghanistan for two basic reasons: First, the idiocy Carter enabled by allowing the Shah of Iran to fall, and having the Islamic Revolution on their flank scared the hell out of the communists, and the second reason was that they were worried about a "reverse domino syndrome" if they let the Islamists take Afghanistan back. The theory was, first lose Afghanistan, then all the other "-stans". So--Prevention, much as we were worried about Vietnam in Southeast Asia, and the need for a way to threaten the Iranians from another flank. Or, so the reasoning went... Yeah, the Soviets probably did want a warm-water port, as a continuation of the Great Game that they played with the British Empire, but the actual odds of getting a port on the Indian Ocean? Not looking really good, there, Ivan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? <facepalm> Did everyone sleep through the 1970s, or what? The Soviets went into Afghanistan for two basic reasons: First, the idiocy Carter enabled by allowing the Shah of Iran to fall, and having the Islamic Revolution on their flank scared the hell out of the communists, and the second reason was that they were worried about a "reverse domino syndrome" if they let the Islamists take Afghanistan back. The theory was, first lose Afghanistan, then all the other "-stans". So--Prevention, much as we were worried about Vietnam in Southeast Asia, and the need for a way to threaten the Iranians from another flank. Or, so the reasoning went... Yeah, the Soviets probably did want a warm-water port, as a continuation of the Great Game that they played with the British Empire, but the actual odds of getting a port on the Indian Ocean? Not looking really good, there, Ivan. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soviets rolled in with tanks like they were going to fight NATO in Germany or something. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 3:57:13 PM EDT
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And that was their first mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Soviets rolled in with tanks like they were going to fight NATO in Germany or something. The war was basically a textbook example of what not to do in a counterinsurgency. The muj made plenty of mistakes, but the Russians fucked up big time and in far greater quantity. And, contrary to popular belief, supplying Stinger MANPADs to the resistance did not significantly alter the course of the war. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:49:02 PM EDT
[#22]
And they fought that with no socks on their feet.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:51:23 PM EDT
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Some neat photos.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:57:28 PM EDT
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And they fought that with no socks on their feet. Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:01:16 PM EDT
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fuck both of them.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:04:44 PM EDT
[#26]
Here's a few, from the Afghan war exhibit at the WWII museum in Kiev, Ukraine.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? From what I remember they fighting to gain access to a warm water port |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:09:59 PM EDT
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Thank you for sharing!
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:17:25 PM EDT
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From what I remember they fighting to gain access to a warm water port Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why were the Russians interested in taking A-stan? From what I remember they fighting to gain access to a warm water port ok.... 
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:23:24 PM EDT
[#30]
9th Company is a Russian movie on Netflix about a group of guys in the stan that is pretty interesting |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:29:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 6:53:33 PM EDT
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Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they fought that with no socks on their feet. Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. There was a story this year about how the Russian military was attempting to modernize and in doing so was allowing more regular access to showers and clean changes of socks to improve hygiene and reduce fugal related casualties. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:12:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Great pics. Neat thread.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:18:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Love AKS-74 porn.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:19:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:24:16 PM EDT
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The Soviets stepped in to support and promote a communist government. They succeeded until he fall of the USSR; the Communist Government set up after the Red Army oull out lasted until 1992.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:24:40 PM EDT
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The crazies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Cool!Who won that war? The crazies. Yup...... |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:31:44 PM EDT
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The Soviets stepped in to support and promote a communist government. They succeeded until he fall of the USSR; the Communist Government set up after the Red Army oull out lasted until 1992. So, what do we have to do to get Putin to return to Afghanistan? Give him the Ukraine? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:40:56 PM EDT
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Around 1995 when I was still in the Army I had the opportunity to interpret between our forces and the Ukrainian army. One of their officers was wearing a cool watch and I asked him where he got it. He said Afghanistan. He was a hard looking dude that I'm sure experienced some shit there because I know he was combat arms.
I know CSB. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:52:00 PM EDT
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Some of y'all need to be educated on the "great game" .. Fuck when did they stop teaching history at universities
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:53:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Some neat pics!!
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:29:24 PM EDT
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There was a story this year about how the Russian military was attempting to modernize and in doing so was allowing more regular access to showers and clean changes of socks to improve hygiene and reduce fugal related casualties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they fought that with no socks on their feet. Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. There was a story this year about how the Russian military was attempting to modernize and in doing so was allowing more regular access to showers and clean changes of socks to improve hygiene and reduce fugal related casualties. I remember seeing that article and it seems that there was almost surprise on the part of the Russians by how much regular showers and laundry improved the health of their troops. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:35:31 PM EDT
[#44]
Is that one dude on the right, in the pic of 3 guys sitting on the ground, is he wearing bowling shoes?
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:01:18 PM EDT
[#45]
They sure look like bowling shoes!!! Did you notice the Puma sneakers? Hard to miss as they are circled in the pic.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:08:38 PM EDT
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I was in high school in the early 1980's
I remember gunwriter Peter Kokalis from SOF magazine went there and was the first westerner to test and eval the 5.45mm & AK-74 I was a military brat, and grew up hearing my Father saying we'd have to fight the fucking soviets someday, so this shit really peaked my interest A few years later when I was in the Army, I bought Ezell's book on the AK-47 My First Sergent saw it and called me a "fucking war monger "
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:19:48 PM EDT
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I remember seeing that article and it seems that there was almost surprise on the part of the Russians by how much regular showers and laundry improved the health of their troops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they fought that with no socks on their feet. Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. There was a story this year about how the Russian military was attempting to modernize and in doing so was allowing more regular access to showers and clean changes of socks to improve hygiene and reduce fugal related casualties. I remember seeing that article and it seems that there was almost surprise on the part of the Russians by how much regular showers and laundry improved the health of their troops. "Of the 620,000 Soviets who served in Afghanistan, 14,453 were killed or died from wounds, accidents or disease-a modest 2.33 percent of the total who served. However, the rate of hospitalization during Afghanistan service was remarkable. The 469,685 personnel hospitalized represented almost 76 percent of those who served. Of these, 53,753 (11.44 percent) were wounded or injured. Fully 415,932 (88.56 percent) were hospitalized for serious diseases. In other words, 67 percent of those who served in Afghanistan required hospitalization for a serious illness. These illnesses included 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis and 31,080 cases of typhoid fever.5 The remaining 269,544 cases were split between plague, malaria, cholera, diphtheria, meningitis, heart disease, shigellosis (infectious dysentery), amoebic dysentery, rheumatism, heat stroke, pneumonia, typhus and paratyphus." http://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-26923526/beaten-by-the-bugs-the-soviet-afghan-war-experience See anything on there that equates to a modern military? Soviet lack of concern for their troops was mind-boggling, and the Russian attitude isn't a hell of a lot better. The sheer waste of human life and health just makes you want to vomit, and when you consider how much of it was due to poor discipline...? A lot of those stats only came out after Glasnost started. Had they come out any earlier, I think a lot of us would have had to drastically re-evaluate our opinion of the Soviet potential for war. I'm not too sure how things would have worked out, had they actually decided to take on NATO, but one thing is for damn sure: A huge percentage of their losses would have been self-inflicted. There was a Russian I talked to who was convinced that we were lying about how many of our guys were dying in Afghanistan and Iraq; he expected us to have the same issues they'd had, where the vast majority of their casualties were from disease and health issues simply related to day-to-day living. A logistic effort like we put together for Iraq was probably simply not doable for them, period. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:37:06 PM EDT
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"Of the 620,000 Soviets who served in Afghanistan, 14,453 were killed or died from wounds, accidents or disease-a modest 2.33 percent of the total who served. However, the rate of hospitalization during Afghanistan service was remarkable. The 469,685 personnel hospitalized represented almost 76 percent of those who served. Of these, 53,753 (11.44 percent) were wounded or injured. Fully 415,932 (88.56 percent) were hospitalized for serious diseases. In other words, 67 percent of those who served in Afghanistan required hospitalization for a serious illness. These illnesses included 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis and 31,080 cases of typhoid fever.5 The remaining 269,544 cases were split between plague, malaria, cholera, diphtheria, meningitis, heart disease, shigellosis (infectious dysentery), amoebic dysentery, rheumatism, heat stroke, pneumonia, typhus and paratyphus." http://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-26923526/beaten-by-the-bugs-the-soviet-afghan-war-experience See anything on there that equates to a modern military? Soviet lack of concern for their troops was mind-boggling, and the Russian attitude isn't a hell of a lot better. The sheer waste of human life and health just makes you want to vomit, and when you consider how much of it was due to poor discipline...? A lot of those stats only came out after Glasnost started. Had they come out any earlier, I think a lot of us would have had to drastically re-evaluate our opinion of the Soviet potential for war. I'm not too sure how things would have worked out, had they actually decided to take on NATO, but one thing is for damn sure: A huge percentage of their losses would have been self-inflicted. There was a Russian I talked to who was convinced that we were lying about how many of our guys were dying in Afghanistan and Iraq; he expected us to have the same issues they'd had, where the vast majority of their casualties were from disease and health issues simply related to day-to-day living. A logistic effort like we put together for Iraq was probably simply not doable for them, period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they fought that with no socks on their feet. Haha I was thinking about their lack of socks. I shouldn't knock it until I try it but foot wraps seem silly with sock available. There was a story this year about how the Russian military was attempting to modernize and in doing so was allowing more regular access to showers and clean changes of socks to improve hygiene and reduce fugal related casualties. I remember seeing that article and it seems that there was almost surprise on the part of the Russians by how much regular showers and laundry improved the health of their troops. "Of the 620,000 Soviets who served in Afghanistan, 14,453 were killed or died from wounds, accidents or disease-a modest 2.33 percent of the total who served. However, the rate of hospitalization during Afghanistan service was remarkable. The 469,685 personnel hospitalized represented almost 76 percent of those who served. Of these, 53,753 (11.44 percent) were wounded or injured. Fully 415,932 (88.56 percent) were hospitalized for serious diseases. In other words, 67 percent of those who served in Afghanistan required hospitalization for a serious illness. These illnesses included 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis and 31,080 cases of typhoid fever.5 The remaining 269,544 cases were split between plague, malaria, cholera, diphtheria, meningitis, heart disease, shigellosis (infectious dysentery), amoebic dysentery, rheumatism, heat stroke, pneumonia, typhus and paratyphus." http://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-26923526/beaten-by-the-bugs-the-soviet-afghan-war-experience See anything on there that equates to a modern military? Soviet lack of concern for their troops was mind-boggling, and the Russian attitude isn't a hell of a lot better. The sheer waste of human life and health just makes you want to vomit, and when you consider how much of it was due to poor discipline...? A lot of those stats only came out after Glasnost started. Had they come out any earlier, I think a lot of us would have had to drastically re-evaluate our opinion of the Soviet potential for war. I'm not too sure how things would have worked out, had they actually decided to take on NATO, but one thing is for damn sure: A huge percentage of their losses would have been self-inflicted. There was a Russian I talked to who was convinced that we were lying about how many of our guys were dying in Afghanistan and Iraq; he expected us to have the same issues they'd had, where the vast majority of their casualties were from disease and health issues simply related to day-to-day living. A logistic effort like we put together for Iraq was probably simply not doable for them, period. 67% casualties due solely to illness and disease.....That's jacked up. Russia always struck me as a nation of peasant farmers trying to punch way above it's weight and those kind of stats only solidify that belief. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:41:26 PM EDT
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I was in high school in the early 1980's I remember gunwriter Peter Kokalis from SOF magazine went there and was the first westerner to test and eval the 5.45mm & AK-74 I was a military brat, and grew up hearing my Father saying we'd have to fight the fucking soviets someday, so this shit really peaked my interest A few years later when I was in the Army, I bought Ezell's book on the AK-47 My First Sergent saw it and called me a "fucking war monger "
https://www.k-var.com/shop/skin1/pages/US/Articles/Muzzle_Brake/images/Arsenal_KVAR%20-%20Collector's%20Corner%20-%20AK-74%20Muzzle%20Brakes%20Final%20Version_img_5.jpg What is the groove on the stock for? |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:42:29 PM EDT
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What is the groove on the stock for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was in high school in the early 1980's I remember gunwriter Peter Kokalis from SOF magazine went there and was the first westerner to test and eval the 5.45mm & AK-74 I was a military brat, and grew up hearing my Father saying we'd have to fight the fucking soviets someday, so this shit really peaked my interest A few years later when I was in the Army, I bought Ezell's book on the AK-47 My First Sergent saw it and called me a "fucking war monger "
https://www.k-var.com/shop/skin1/pages/US/Articles/Muzzle_Brake/images/Arsenal_KVAR%20-%20Collector's%20Corner%20-%20AK-74%20Muzzle%20Brakes%20Final%20Version_img_5.jpg What is the groove on the stock for? YOu put it between the teeth of a dead soviet. 
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