You post the same stuff whenever anyone here questions if the republican establishment is genuinely pro-2A.  You seem to have political Stockholm Syndrome.  I acknowledge that the Republican party is far more pro-2A than Democrats, but overall, they are very malleable on this issue (obviously there are exceptions).  

If Bush truly didn't want the AWB extended, he could have simply veto'd it. None of the political shenanigans you outlined were necessary if the republican president would have simply said "I'll veto any extension of the AWB".  

In March of 2004, the AWB came within a whisper of reaching GWB's desk.  I remember that day well.  Former Senator Larry Craig, for all faults, worked like a boss that day to prevent the AWB from being extended by GWB.

Wait... what.

GWB never actively campaigned for the AWB... You are making some real reaches of the imagination here...



You are correct.

It is in black-and-white. It is written down.

The party-platform of the Democrat Party is "comprehensive restrictions to gun ownership." Obama repeated it consistently during his campaign.

The party-platform of the Republican Party is "no new gun laws."

Yeah... There is malleability. Reagan supported gun laws to get the ball moving on making other aspects of gun ownership easier... And it was a different day back in the day, before the internet. The NRA worked-with Reagan and Bush I behind closed doors to protect the American gun manufacturers... The NRA was largely an arm of the American gun manufacturers during large swaths of the 1970s and 1980s...

But I cannot fault Reagan and Bush doing what the NRA told them to do... And the NRA has changed... The NRA is more of an arm of its members, and less of an arm of manufacturers now...



Bush II did exactly what the NRA told him to do.

The NRA didn't have the money or the resources for a protracted national-level fight... A *national* advertisement during prime-time can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop... But a $20,000 given to a congressional candidate can make-or-break the race.

The NRA could not risk a national-level fight... Constant MSM, "its for the children" free advertising... Constantly... The NRA would run out of money, fast, in a national-level fight...

But they could take $5-10 M and keep the House... They would spend that in a week in a *national* level advertising campaign... And still not get the *free* airtime the opposition was getting.

The NRA telling Bush II to say, "I will sign it when it gets to my desk," completely-ended the national-level fight. It ended it. The msm could harp all-day-every-day, "we need to ban guns, we need to ban guns..."

And that did not matter one iota because the NRA would get a lot of local mileage out of $10,000 in a close local race against an anti-gun incumbent.

Instead of paying $100,000 on *one* national advertisement, they could run a massive mailer in a congressional district, and get a pro-gun Republican into office...

What the NRA did makes perfect sense to me...



It would have been a lot, lot closer if Bush II had not listened to the NRA, and if the NRA had been forced to take money away from key congressional races, and waste that money countering a national anti-gun campaign.

The AWB didn't reach Bush IIs desk because of the sole reason pro-gun Republicans held the House.

That is the sole, solitary, single reason why the AWB renewal didn't reach Bush IIs desk.

Bush was smart and correct to listen to the NRA. The NRA was smart and correct and frugal in their use of resources to attempt to win fights they could win...

They will never, ever be able to meet the msm's ability to give constant, consistent *free* advertising to the anti-gun agenda... But they can take a House seat with targeted mailers, and advertising and an inexpensive ground-game in a contested locality...

The NRA did the right thing... And Bush II did the right thing by leaving his door open to the NRA, and listening to, and going-along with their strategy...

Am I in before the "you must absolutely vote for the (R) candidate, no questions asked" crew?

I'll just vote for Hillary. Fuck Christy.

With genius strategy like this, it's no wonder the country is fucked!

Blame the libertarians!

It's their fault we're idiots!

You did not make it in before the "A vote for a anti-gun Democrat is just the same as an NRA-endorsed Republican, or just stay at home... Makes no difference... Yeah, lets all stay at home" DU trolls, either...

Threads like this in mere weeks before anti-gun Democrats *could* lose control of the Senate is not a mere accident...

"Stay at home! Stay at home! or vote Democrat, because there is no difference or just stay home... Everybody stay home!!!-!!!"

No way. Absolutely no way threads like this were no accident in the weeks leading up to hardcore anti-gun Obama getting re-elected... And in the political climate right now... With Democrats crapping their pants...

No way this "Stay home everybody, just stay home!" is an accident.

Absolutely no way... Too much is on the line right now for anti-gun Democrats...

Fucking hilarious.

We haven't even held the mid terms.

The Presidential primaries are 2 years away.

You clowns want so desperately for him to be the nominee.

Actually, it's too pathetic to be hilarious.

My only comment in this thread.

I can't debate with fucking loons especially when they start threads like this just to stir shit up.

The washPOSt will just put out another story in 2 weeks when the official report comes out saying they can't prove Cristie was involved in bridgegate quoting Christie staffers and Donald Trump. Liberal bloggers will chant never vote GOP 1 month before midterms to help Senate dems and keep Reid's progressive nuclear options.

I won't vote for him even if he's the only candidate on the ballot.  I'll write in a name.  

Not a fucking chance.  Any one who votes for him should just kill themselves.  Fuck you.

Absolutely nailed it.

But I think in the weeks leading up to the mid-terms, we are going to see a lot more... "Reagan was pro-Union, every body needs to stay at home for any and all elections..."

And...

"Chris Christie is a Republican... Aaaarrrggg, everybody stay home, everybody. Chris Christie is a Republican! Stay home on election day!"

Whatever reason to back-up their agenda... Vote Democrat.

If you don't vote Democrat, stay home.

A DU troll would get caught in a spit-second with a "Just vote Democrat" post... But, "I have closely analyzed the two parties, and I can see no difference between voting-for anti-gun Democrats and pro-gun republicans..."

With that kind of stance, the DU trolls can get some repeated mileage... Especially when they are called-out they just say, chest thumping, "I am a libertarian."

And... If they fail at, "vote Democrat."

They say... "If all else fails, might as well vote Democrat, because there is no real difference, anyway... And if not that, then stay at home on election day."

Lots and lots of repeated mileage for the DU trolls on that...

The agenda of the liberal trolls is to stir-up animosity towards imperfect conservatives... And if all they can get is, "Well, might as well stay home." Then they have achieved victory.

The truth... Perfect conservatives simply do not exist outside the minds of retards and DU trolls.

But you are correct... This thread is here for the sole, solitary, single reason of stirring-up animosity towards pro-gun Republicans... I will take it a step further... This thread is here for the sole, solitary, single reason of stirring up animosity towards pro-gun Republicans in ****CURRENT**** close races with anti-gun Democrats...

And... As we get closer to the mid-term election, you will see more, "Reagan wasn't perfect, vote Democrat or stay home..." And "Christie calls himself a Republican, might as well vote Democrat or stay home..." threads as we get nearer and nearer to the mid-terms...

Folks on arfcom troll liberal sites... And liberals troll arfcom.

This thread is an example...

Now that you mention it, Sir, yes I agree. I see and read those posts and am left scratching my head in confusion.

I can confidant it will not work, though. AR15.com, bless her, is not all of America, and there are a LOT of pissed-off Republicans just ITCHING
to vote this November.

Hold the Line! Stand Your Ground!

http://washingtonexaminer.com/another-small-sign-the-2016-gop-race-is-insanely-wide-open/article/2553513

This very unscientific to the point of being close to worthless "poll" gives a writer a reason to slam the Republican party.  I do not know what he expects to gain from asking random people who they would vote for.

A couple I have never heard of and Petraeus!  

Get Republicans in a position to control the Senate and defeat Boehner in Ohio this November.

 

Not voting for that fat fuck.

Talking "up" and talking "about" are two different things.  One is advocacy, and the other is keeping the idea alive (which seems to the sole providence of self-described "libertarians" here in GD).

There isn't a fucking soul here in GD who calls himself an "R" that advocates for Gov. Christie to be the GOP nominee for president.  I can't recall one thread that's been started advocating any such thing.  Who the fuck are you people kidding?

I can not vote for that fat, fucking, conservative posing, asshole.

Vote for Kris Krispy?








 

This would be absolute proof that the game is rigged and that the will of the people in selecting a candidate is completely meaningless.


As if we needed any proof.

What would be proof?  Ask yourself what concrete event occurred to trigger this thread.

I doubt there will be any clear GOP front runner until after the first or second debate.  There are several who are near the top but it's still a relatively open field.

Krispy Kreme?... Umm, no.

Does Romney complete his trifecta?

Where Rand, Cruz, MIke Lee, Perry, Jindal, and company line up is anyone's guess.  Any one of them is better than any choice the D's will throw up there.  I anticipate Billary, but the left is so unstable, I wouldn't be surprised to see an unknown, again.

Fuck that fat piece of shit.  Before he was causing traffic jams he was using the governor's chopper to watch his kid play ball.

That said, let the Democrats think fatboy will be the nominee.  2 years is plenty of time for him to drop out or have a massive coronary.

There isn't a fucking soul on here who is a member of the Republican Washington Elite either.

They are the ones who want Crispy and will push hard for him on every MSM outlet they can do so.
Combine that with an early Primary schedule that favors Blue States, States that allow non-Republicans to vote in Republican Primaries and the usual low information voters, we could wind up with him.

That is the same rigged play book we've had for the last few elections that forced " moderates" McStain and MeatHead Romney upon us.

I will not vote for Fatfuck.

Not even with a gun to my head.

That's a lot of bloviating.   As often as you keep saying Christie will never be the nominee, WHY are you so fundamentally aghast at people talking about WHY he should not be the nominee?   Why are you so INTENT on talking about the lesser of two evils as if you are already laying the groundwork to support him if he is the nominee?  Why are you willing to ignore people with official standing in the Republican party who are pushing this asshole?

Why can't you just say:  "The GOP should not run the fat fuck, and if they do, the party faithful should not support him."?

I'll tell you why.  Because if the party establishment maneuver this fuckhead into running, you will line up to pull the lever and tell everyone here its their sacred duty to do so as well.   You'll go on and on with pages of posts about how his anti-gun record should be ignored in favor of campaign time weasel words.    You'll miss the problem with voting for someone with the right "R" letter behind their name, but who actually supports the POLICES of the left that are destroying this country.

 

I don't see what's so strategic about that sentiment. The GOP already relies upon it and uses it to do give the finger to the conservative base.

I think a better philosophy is to pick an important issue (like immigration) and be a one-issue voter. If that means the GOP loses, let them. They'll get the message eventually.

For about a minute, years ago.

Crispy Cream is not on the side of the Second Amendment, nor does he bring anything to the table that I would stand for. The current POS is better than Crispy Cream.

This

We can see in this thread who loves their party more than their country.

Their posts, their rules, L_Y

So you think it would make no difference whatsoever if Hillary nominated a Supreme Court Justice or two instead of Christie?


I see what you mean, but it does make a difference with the Supreme Court, if not much else. Bush expressed support for an AWB, yet the court he gave us allowed Heller to become one of our greatest victories.

"The GOP should not run the fat fuck"?

How exactly do you think this process works?

Do you believe the RNC decides whether Christie should run?

What have YOU done to ensure that better candidates run?

Who is the Libertarian party running?

That's the irony.   The GOP does not "run" these candidates; they run themselves, and then people vote for them -or not.  There is no secret group who chooses the GOP candidate; it's us.

How exactly does the the Libertarian candidate become the Libertarian candidate?  Is THAT the process we prefer?

I have decided to boycott Krispy Kreme.

But they're so sweet and delicious.

Sometimes sacrifices MUST be made.

Can we import Nigel Farage of UKIP to lead a third party run?

God we are so fucked!

I'd take Hillary or Obama over Christie - seriously.  At least if we have a lib in the white house they take the lion's share of the blame and the GOP controlled House will continue stalling their agenda.

With Christie in office it would be harder for the House to stall Christie's liberal-lite agenda because politicians are scared to go against the party.

Romney was what I'd call a "hold your nose" Republican.  Not the ideal candidate but I could vote for the guy.  

Christie?  Not a fucking chance.

Democrats do not have the luxury of crossing over to vote in Republican primaries this time, so there goes Christie's best voting bloc outside the New Jersey.

I thought there were a bunch of states in the early primaries that allow voters to vote in any one of the primaries, but only one?

The doughnuts?   That is a mistake.  

The New Jersey RINO?   I concur.

It would be good to know which states allow this.  Ideally there will be contenders for the Democratic nominee so that may prevent this crossover to screw the Republicans.

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