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Posted: 7/20/2015 9:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something!  I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 10:19:14 PM EDT
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That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something!
I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. I use Korean mags with Magpul base pads in competition. Took a little tuning in the beginning but they all run fine now. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 10:53:29 PM EDT
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They drop free when 'loaded'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something!
I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 11:11:25 PM EDT
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This is a good thread. I started USPSA a few months ago. Compared to a lot of you, I pretty well suck.
I have Dawson fiber optic sights on my G34, and I shoot an indoor range. I think a lot of my problem is that I just can't get a sight picture very quickly. I ordered a Hi-Viz target sight that has a .080" interchangeable bead. It's a bit wider as well. Hopefully that will help. It's pretty frustrating not to be able to see your sights! |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 11:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a good thread. I started USPSA a few months ago. Compared to a lot of you, I pretty well suck. I have Dawson fiber optic sights on my G34, and I shoot an indoor range. I think a lot of my problem is that I just can't get a sight picture very quickly. I ordered a Hi-Viz target sight that has a .080" interchangeable bead. It's a bit wider as well. Hopefully that will help. It's pretty frustrating not to be able to see your sights! I find it easier/faster to pick up a narrower front sight. How narrow? It entirely depends on the width of the rear sight notch. I like half the width of the front sight worth of "light" on both sides. On my XDm 5.25, that works out to a .100" wide front sight. On my SP01 Shadow Targets, it works out to about .090". |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 11:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it easier/faster to pick up a narrower front sight. How narrow? It entirely depends on the width of the rear sight notch. I like half the width of the front sight worth of "light" on both sides. On my XDm 5.25, that works out to a .100" wide front sight. On my SP01 Shadow Targets, it works out to about .090". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a good thread. I started USPSA a few months ago. Compared to a lot of you, I pretty well suck. I have Dawson fiber optic sights on my G34, and I shoot an indoor range. I think a lot of my problem is that I just can't get a sight picture very quickly. I ordered a Hi-Viz target sight that has a .080" interchangeable bead. It's a bit wider as well. Hopefully that will help. It's pretty frustrating not to be able to see your sights! I find it easier/faster to pick up a narrower front sight. How narrow? It entirely depends on the width of the rear sight notch. I like half the width of the front sight worth of "light" on both sides. On my XDm 5.25, that works out to a .100" wide front sight. On my SP01 Shadow Targets, it works out to about .090". More than anything, I am hopeful that the larger light pipe (.080 vs. .040 on the Dawson) will help. At least I can interchange it to white if it doesn't. Dark isn't working for me at all. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 12:09:34 AM EDT
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Here's my video from yesterday. Had someone come to watch the match and ended up recording it so all of the stages have the Contour and a view from behind. I'm glad because I'm moving much slower than I want to be. Need to work on explosive movement.
I also screwed up the math on the classifier so I'll be a couple percentage points lower than I thought. 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 6:24:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something! I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. If they come out with a gen 2 with a 10 round witness hole I might buy some. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 12:17:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What you you guys pay for weekend matches? Are you required to help set up and tear down? Ours is $10.00 but it is required to help. 5-6 stages & 150-200rds. 25-35 people I help tear down out of the kindness of my own heart  |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 12:25:22 PM EDT
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Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something!
I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. I took mine apart, trimmed the plastic flashing from around the feed lips, sanded down the tight ones, and added Magpul speed plates. This was when I was poor and couldn't just go buy a bunch more mags. They work well enough I see no reason to change. At $5 apiece I am happy. ETA: Wonder if this works? ETA2: No. 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 1:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's my video from yesterday. Had someone come to watch the match and ended up recording it so all of the stages have the Contour and a view from behind. I'm glad because I'm moving much slower than I want to be. Need to work on explosive movement. I also screwed up the math on the classifier so I'll be a couple percentage points lower than I thought.  https://youtu.be/xUtMTFz6668They let you shoot through the "wall" on the first indoor stage in the video? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 1:31:33 PM EDT
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The snow fence is soft cover.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 2:31:35 PM EDT
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got my TTI base pads in yesterday.
I like them. removing factory base pads for glocks sucks. back to indoor training this week after 11 days of vacation at the beach. I hope to put a few hundred rounds down range soon. My next match is in august so I have a little recovery time. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 5:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took mine apart, trimmed the plastic flashing from around the feed lips, sanded down the tight ones, and added Magpul speed plates. This was when I was poor and couldn't just go buy a bunch more mags. They work well enough I see no reason to change. At $5 apiece I am happy. ETA: Wonder if this works? http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/colorsplash-10/Mobile%20Uploads/th_KVID0343_zpszflocawq.mp4 ETA2: No. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://photos-2.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAygb_ST7Z2zj3IQda4F6Kx1YFu1gP7l4NfNhu43VttNQ/12/259196542/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/2015-07-20%2016.51.31.jpg/EIyHvfABGDEgASgB/-cQEjkdFpyIN9ZIca6P-z2r98mEOrvUw5qZaT1Nskg8?size=1280x960&size_mode=2 My $5 Korean Glock mags actually are good for something! I loaded some dummy ammo to simulate the weight of a loaded mag, then topped them off with orange snap cap style dummy rounds. That's a good deal, as long as they drop free. Mine didn't always. Mine seemed to swell up and wouldn't drop with rounds in them, but would if they were empty. Kinda backwards. I did buy them pretty early after their release, though, so they might have changed. I still don't have any of the Magpul magazines, but I would imagine those would be second only to factory mags. I took mine apart, trimmed the plastic flashing from around the feed lips, sanded down the tight ones, and added Magpul speed plates. This was when I was poor and couldn't just go buy a bunch more mags. They work well enough I see no reason to change. At $5 apiece I am happy. ETA: Wonder if this works? http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/colorsplash-10/Mobile%20Uploads/th_KVID0343_zpszflocawq.mp4 ETA2: No. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 6:43:42 PM EDT
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What's everyone's favorite coated bullet for 9mm Production glock shooting?
I want to shoot more for the same $. Using Montana Gold 124 gr JHP right now, but I just want to get my price per round down. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 6:48:10 PM EDT
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What's everyone's favorite coated bullet for 9mm Production glock shooting? I want to shoot more for the same $. Using Montana Gold 124 gr JHP right now, but I just want to get my price per round down. Most here use the Viagra bullet. Me, Montana or Delta Precision  Too bad I didn't think like this about my hearing early on Eeeeeeeeeeee
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Posted: 7/21/2015 9:54:09 PM EDT
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What's everyone's favorite coated bullet for 9mm Production glock shooting? I want to shoot more for the same $. Using Montana Gold 124 gr JHP right now, but I just want to get my price per round down. I don't shoot Production, but I like Blue Bullets in my 9mms and 40s. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:13:30 PM EDT
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What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches.
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:26:29 PM EDT
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Here is the scenario:
There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:31:00 PM EDT
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What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. You don't have that messy waxey lube like you would have with a traditional cast boolit. So you don't end up with a mess on your fingers, inside your dies, mags, or guns. There is less smoke. And they are usually cheaper than a plated or jacketed bullet. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:37:29 PM EDT
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You don't have that messy waxey lube like you would have with a traditional cast boolit. So you don't end up with a mess on your fingers, inside your dies, mags, or guns. There is less smoke. And they are usually cheaper than a plated or jacketed bullet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. You don't have that messy waxey lube like you would have with a traditional cast boolit. So you don't end up with a mess on your fingers, inside your dies, mags, or guns. There is less smoke. And they are usually cheaper than a plated or jacketed bullet. Downside - if you shoot revo, they leave an absolute mess that virtually nothing can remove on your forcing cone. At least that has been the experience of the local revo shooters. None of them want anything to do with any coated bullets in anything, and seeing the aftermath, I agree. Now, I've not heard such things from any of the guys using them in autos, but I personally will continue to stick with plated or jacketed for everything. I don't really shoot that much these days anyway, so the cost isn't a big deal. (Well, "not much" by USPSA standards, that is. )
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:41:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 Firstly, in USPSA you can touch and even stand on the fault line without penalty. Your foot just cannot touch outside the shooting area while firing shots. Where this situation becomes gray is whether or not the door itself is inside or outside the shooting area. Personally, per Rule 10.2.1 I'd say that the door is part of the shooting area as it's attached to walls which are part of the shooting area. For Rule 10.2.1 to be applicable, the prop must be wholly beyond and not attached a fault line. For the sake of this match, let's assume that it is outside of the shooting area in which case RO discretion comes into play as far as whether or not the shooter is gaining a significant advantage. One RO may say it's not gaining an advantage another RO may say the shooter is. If the RO deems an advantage gained, it's one penalty per shot fired. If not, one penalty total. But to me, the argument is irrelevant because that door is not outside the shooting area. You should be able to hold the door open and fire shots SHO if you wanted to. Was the door declared outside of the shooting area in the WSB? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:43:28 PM EDT
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Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. Looks to me like the door is fully against the fault line - it is not "wholly beyond and not attached to a...Fault Line" per 10.2.1, and therefore gaining support from any part of the door frame would be considered legal. (So long as you were not touching the ground on the other side, of course.) There would need to be a gap - however small - between the door and the fault line to make it a fault to gain support from touching the jambs. ETA: Quoted:
But to me, the argument is irrelevant because that door is not outside the shooting area. Correct; beat me to it as I was pulling out the rulebook to find the exact language to quote. 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they are usually cheaper than a plated or jacketed bullet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. And they are usually cheaper than a plated or jacketed bullet. That depends. All of the coated bullets I've priced out with shipping have been about the same price or more expensive that Xtreme plated with discounts. I just bought 10k 147gr for $.08 per bullet shipped. ETA-Actually $.0794 per bullet to be exact. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:51:26 PM EDT
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Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 I can only see where one of the targets was. Does the shooter need to lean around the door opening and resting his foot beyond the fault line makes it easier to lean out? Or is the door on a spring so it's supposed to swing closed and the shooter needs to hold it open with one hand? If none of that and it's just open door and shoot 3 targets then I'd just give one procedural, not one per shot fired; I don't see how that's a significant advantage to have your toes touching the door? Also, what's the point of the fault line in front of the door? Why not just make the door frame the fault line? ETA: I was way too slow typing this response. I agree with the above, fault line shouldn't be touching the door if you want it to be outside the shooting area. But I think a better stage design is to just remove that fault line and make the door frame the fault line. Quoted:
What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. The pink ones are 10% more accurate 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can only see where one of the targets was. Does the shooter need to lean around the door opening and resting his foot beyond the fault line makes it easier to lean out? Or is the door on a spring so it's supposed to swing closed and the shooter needs to hold it open with one hand? If none of that and it's just open door and shoot 3 targets then I'd just give one procedural, not one per shot fired; I don't see how that's a significant advantage to have your toes touching the door? Also, what's the point of the fault line in front of the door? Why not just make the door frame the fault line? The pink ones are 10% more accurate Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 I can only see where one of the targets was. Does the shooter need to lean around the door opening and resting his foot beyond the fault line makes it easier to lean out? Or is the door on a spring so it's supposed to swing closed and the shooter needs to hold it open with one hand? If none of that and it's just open door and shoot 3 targets then I'd just give one procedural, not one per shot fired; I don't see how that's a significant advantage to have your toes touching the door? Also, what's the point of the fault line in front of the door? Why not just make the door frame the fault line? Quoted: What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. The pink ones are 10% more accurate And 87% more gay. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:01:44 PM EDT
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Downside - if you shoot revo, they leave an absolute mess that virtually nothing can remove on your forcing cone. At least that has been the experience of the local revo shooters. None of them want anything to do with any coated bullets in anything, and seeing the aftermath, I agree. Interesting. A friend is a GM revolver shooter and he shoots exclusively coated bullets. Never heard him mention anything about them making a mess; he loves them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:13:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Firstly, in USPSA you can touch and even stand on the fault line without penalty. Your foot just cannot touch outside the shooting area while firing shots. Where this situation becomes gray is whether or not the door itself is inside or outside the shooting area. Personally, per Rule 10.2.1 I'd say that the door is part of the shooting area as it's attached to walls which are part of the shooting area. For Rule 10.2.1 to be applicable, the prop must be wholly beyond and not attached a fault line. For the sake of this match, let's assume that it is outside of the shooting area in which case RO discretion comes into play as far as whether or not the shooter is gaining a significant advantage. One RO may say it's not gaining an advantage another RO may say the shooter is. If the RO deems an advantage gained, it's one penalty per shot fired. If not, one penalty total. But to me, the argument is irrelevant because that door is not outside the shooting area. You should be able to hold the door open and fire shots SHO if you wanted to. Was the door declared outside of the shooting area in the WSB? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 Firstly, in USPSA you can touch and even stand on the fault line without penalty. Your foot just cannot touch outside the shooting area while firing shots. Where this situation becomes gray is whether or not the door itself is inside or outside the shooting area. Personally, per Rule 10.2.1 I'd say that the door is part of the shooting area as it's attached to walls which are part of the shooting area. For Rule 10.2.1 to be applicable, the prop must be wholly beyond and not attached a fault line. For the sake of this match, let's assume that it is outside of the shooting area in which case RO discretion comes into play as far as whether or not the shooter is gaining a significant advantage. One RO may say it's not gaining an advantage another RO may say the shooter is. If the RO deems an advantage gained, it's one penalty per shot fired. If not, one penalty total. But to me, the argument is irrelevant because that door is not outside the shooting area. You should be able to hold the door open and fire shots SHO if you wanted to. Was the door declared outside of the shooting area in the WSB? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can only see where one of the targets was. Does the shooter need to lean around the door opening and resting his foot beyond the fault line makes it easier to lean out? Or is the door on a spring so it's supposed to swing closed and the shooter needs to hold it open with one hand? If none of that and it's just open door and shoot 3 targets then I'd just give one procedural, not one per shot fired; I don't see how that's a significant advantage to have your toes touching the door? Also, what's the point of the fault line in front of the door? Why not just make the door frame the fault line? ETA: I was way too slow typing this response. I agree with the above, fault line shouldn't be touching the door if you want it to be outside the shooting area. But I think a better stage design is to just remove that fault line and make the door frame the fault line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is the scenario: There are 2 paper targets and one drop turner behind the door. Opening the door activates disappearing drop turner. If your left foot is on the fault line, toe touching the door jam on the other side, is it a procedural for every shot fired, or one procedural for your 6 shots toe over the line because you don't "gain a competitive advantage"? There seems to be some disagreement about this stage at my club. How would you call it? Many shooters fell for this because not only are you trying to prevent the door from swinging closed after they ram into it, but the solid ground of the door jam 'feels' like you are on the line instead of the dirt. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11703078_1472538916392175_4769304444560641216_n.jpg?oh=a59971e36c71536db1114c3e65bbcff5&oe=56510D45 I can only see where one of the targets was. Does the shooter need to lean around the door opening and resting his foot beyond the fault line makes it easier to lean out? Or is the door on a spring so it's supposed to swing closed and the shooter needs to hold it open with one hand? If none of that and it's just open door and shoot 3 targets then I'd just give one procedural, not one per shot fired; I don't see how that's a significant advantage to have your toes touching the door? Also, what's the point of the fault line in front of the door? Why not just make the door frame the fault line? ETA: I was way too slow typing this response. I agree with the above, fault line shouldn't be touching the door if you want it to be outside the shooting area. But I think a better stage design is to just remove that fault line and make the door frame the fault line. I don't know why they put that line there. I missed set up that day. |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 11:27:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 12:22:34 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was part of the discussion as well. It wasn't, but normally the match director does clarify those things in the stage description. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Firstly, in USPSA you can touch and even stand on the fault line without penalty. Your foot just cannot touch outside the shooting area while firing shots. Where this situation becomes gray is whether or not the door itself is inside or outside the shooting area. Personally, per Rule 10.2.1 I'd say that the door is part of the shooting area as it's attached to walls which are part of the shooting area. For Rule 10.2.1 to be applicable, the prop must be wholly beyond and not attached a fault line. For the sake of this match, let's assume that it is outside of the shooting area in which case RO discretion comes into play as far as whether or not the shooter is gaining a significant advantage. One RO may say it's not gaining an advantage another RO may say the shooter is. If the RO deems an advantage gained, it's one penalty per shot fired. If not, one penalty total. But to me, the argument is irrelevant because that door is not outside the shooting area. You should be able to hold the door open and fire shots SHO if you wanted to. Was the door declared outside of the shooting area in the WSB? Again, per the rules that door isn't outside the shooting area. Not specifying it in the WSB means that it definitely isn't outside of the shooting area. No penalty. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 1:17:04 AM EDT
[#32]
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Here's my video from yesterday. Had someone come to watch the match and ended up recording it so all of the stages have the Contour and a view from behind. I'm glad because I'm moving much slower than I want to be. Need to work on explosive movement. I also screwed up the math on the classifier so I'll be a couple percentage points lower than I thought.
https://youtu.be/xUtMTFz6668
http://combinedresults.info/index.php/match/15137 Didn't get beat by anyone on any stage except open shooters 
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Posted: 7/22/2015 1:25:22 AM EDT
[#33]
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What benefit does coating a bullet provide? I've seen black, red, blue, and pink bullets at my matches. Dont know but some in my club are using the blue bullets in their open guns. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 10:07:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's everyone's favorite coated bullet for 9mm Production glock shooting? I want to shoot more for the same $. Using Montana Gold 124 gr JHP right now, but I just want to get my price per round down. Using BBI right now They were more accurate than Blue Bullets in my gun. |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 6:27:49 PM EDT
[#35]
I am shooting Open division for the first time on Saturday to prepare for a night multi gun match with the same pistol (Glock 17 w/slide mounted MRDS). I typically shoot Limited Minor as I shoot USPSA mostly for keeping me sharp in multi-gun. Any experienced Open Division shooters here with any words of wisdom? I have been practicing with that pistol as of late, but I feel that it would be in error to not poll from experience on lessons learned making the switch.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:06:26 PM EDT
[#36]
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I am shooting Open division for the first time on Saturday to prepare for a night multi gun match with the same pistol (Glock 17 w/slide mounted MRDS). I typically shoot Limited Minor as I shoot USPSA mostly for keeping me sharp in multi-gun. Any experienced Open Division shooters here with any words of wisdom? I have been practicing with that pistol as of late, but I feel that it would be in error to not poll from experience on lessons learned making the switch. Shoot all A's fast |
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Posted: 7/22/2015 9:57:51 PM EDT
[#37]
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I am shooting Open division for the first time on Saturday to prepare for a night multi gun match with the same pistol (Glock 17 w/slide mounted MRDS). I typically shoot Limited Minor as I shoot USPSA mostly for keeping me sharp in multi-gun. Any experienced Open Division shooters here with any words of wisdom? I have been practicing with that pistol as of late, but I feel that it would be in error to not poll from experience on lessons learned making the switch. Work on adjusting your index to the red dot so you don't waste time looking for it. Other than that, the guy above me has it covered. Shoot A's and haul ass.
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:08:06 AM EDT
[#38]
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Shoot all A's fast Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am shooting Open division for the first time on Saturday to prepare for a night multi gun match with the same pistol (Glock 17 w/slide mounted MRDS). I typically shoot Limited Minor as I shoot USPSA mostly for keeping me sharp in multi-gun. Any experienced Open Division shooters here with any words of wisdom? I have been practicing with that pistol as of late, but I feel that it would be in error to not poll from experience on lessons learned making the switch. Shoot all A's fast Hmmmmm.... That's the same advice I received about Limited Minor. Think I may be seeing a pattern. 
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:22:00 AM EDT
[#39]
Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads.
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:28:15 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. I wouldn't get one purely to shoot Limited minor. If you're going to shoot Limited, and your capable of shooting major, you're better served just shooting major. While minor is definitely more pleasant to shoot, I don't notice my splits are all that faster. Maybe .01-.02 secs at most. Ask yourself what advantage you're gaining. Certainly not capacity. Maybe .5-1 second per stage if that. Now ask yourself what disadvantage your getting. Minor scoring. Not worth it. Just my $.02. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 8:33:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:41:41 AM EDT
[#42]
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Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. Minor puts you at a huge disadvantage. Huge. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 10:01:57 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Minor puts you at a huge disadvantage. Huge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. Shoot major if you're going to play in limited. Minor puts you at a huge disadvantage. Huge. Huge. Especially if you're not mitigating a slight portion of that disadvantage with capacity. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 11:55:34 AM EDT
[#44]
Apparently carry optics is a real thing now.
The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 11:56:13 AM EDT
[#45]
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Apparently carry optics is a real thing now. The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. 
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Posted: 7/23/2015 12:45:19 PM EDT
[#46]
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Apparently carry optics is a real thing now. The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. Tier One! Bro. You just can't handle the power. My question is how many people actually carry with optics and live life. Having a pile of awesome on your hip while perusing the gun rags at Walmart is a far cry from how I live. Even a G19, IWB, is a lot sometimes. Running, riding horse, working on and around the property, kayaking, etc....... Now plaster a microdot on that bad boy and tell me how many actually carry it. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a photo thread fad, not a real event. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 1:18:26 PM EDT
[#47]
When is the sig brace division going to be approved?
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Posted: 7/23/2015 1:36:39 PM EDT
[#48]
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Who is shooting a glock 35 for limited minor? I'm debating making one for fun. Love my 34 for production and can only imagine how fast it'd be shooting 180g minor loads with a heavy magwell and base pads. 200 grain bullets loaded to major PF shoot pretty soft. No way I'd give up major scoring for a little less recoil. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 1:52:21 PM EDT
[#49]
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Apparently carry optics is a real thing now. The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. Level one only, so when nobody shoots it, it won't go anywhere in all likelihood. Unless all the three gunners start coming to matches to get some extra practice with the dot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 1:58:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Level one only, so when nobody shoots it, it won't go anywhere in all likelihood. Unless all the three gunners start coming to matches to get some extra practice with the dot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently carry optics is a real thing now. The BOD approved it as a provisional division. I think it's retarded. Level one only, so when nobody shoots it, it won't go anywhere in all likelihood. Unless all the three gunners start coming to matches to get some extra practice with the dot. This crowd that does that around here just shoots Open with their mags loaded up. I doubt they're going to want to play in a 10 round division. Only time will tell. |
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