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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:21:49 AM EDT
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Leave it to the password hackers then?
Calling Jeniffer Lawrence. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:22:25 AM EDT
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Push too long, people get tired of it.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:23:20 AM EDT
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:23:32 AM EDT
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Leave it to the password hackers then? Calling Jeniffer Lawrence. Better than Google data-mining the fuck out of you and selling it to the highest bidder. 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:25:16 AM EDT
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Yes. Of course they won't. After all, they have a policy. 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:25:59 AM EDT
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so this means they will just throw us in the pokey until we give up the password?
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:36:16 AM EDT
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:46:46 AM EDT
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:52:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. Although I suppose the advantage is to someone trying to break in v someone trying to keep out.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:52:27 AM EDT
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:53:27 AM EDT
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Cue the DOJ and a Supreme Court ruling against Apple in 5,4,3,2,.........
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:54:05 AM EDT
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd And I'd like to state ahead of time that that crowd can eat a bag of dicks. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:54:34 AM EDT
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Good luck on the warrants front.
As I was instructed, a warrant can span from "you may do XYZ" to "the Court orders XYZ be done." Willful obstruction of a court order probably won't go over so hot, if it comes to refusing-warrants time. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:56:00 AM EDT
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If Obama has lost is Apple, Inc backers, then the terrorists have won.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:57:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:00:47 AM EDT
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd That's a bullshit line and anyone who says it eats dicks !!!!!! If you haven't done anything wrong, you have everything to fear .... because they are watching your every move !!!!!!! Law enforcement has no fucking business in my phone ...... or up may ass for that matter ..... but they sure as fuck seem hell bent on going there ..... FAGS !!!!!!! 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:02:26 AM EDT
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They already need a warrant, now they will just not be able to get in absent the owner complying or some kind of technical method of cracking it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. The only thing that concerns me is that they mention data being automatically backed up in the cloud. Hopefully phones will not be configured like that out of the box as that is just as bad as having the password subpoenable. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:04:05 AM EDT
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They already need a warrant, now they will just not be able to get in absent the owner complying or some kind of technical method of cracking it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. I know. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:06:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. I know.  |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:07:21 AM EDT
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They aren't refusing to comply. "Don't look at us, we can't open it" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? They designed it that way. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:07:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing that concerns me is that they mention data being automatically backed up in the cloud. Hopefully phones will not be configured like that out of the box as that is just as bad as having the password subpoenable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. The only thing that concerns me is that they mention data being automatically backed up in the cloud. Hopefully phones will not be configured like that out of the box as that is just as bad as having the password subpoenable.  |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:07:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They designed it that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? They designed it that way. It's not illegal to create encryption that you can't access. You would think companies would do this just to avoid dealing with calls from law enforcement.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:07:49 AM EDT
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The only thing that concerns me is that they mention data being automatically backed up in the cloud. Hopefully phones will not be configured like that out of the box as that is just as bad as having the password subpoenable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. The only thing that concerns me is that they mention data being automatically backed up in the cloud. Hopefully phones will not be configured like that out of the box as that is just as bad as having the password subpoenable. I believe that you have to setup cloud access as part of the process of setting up a new phone. Personally I turn off all the crap like cloud and location services. What ever happens on my phone .... stays on my phone !!!!
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:11:30 AM EDT
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Cue the DOJ and a Supreme Court ruling against Apple in 5,4,3,2,......... Sure, and risk pissing off the hipster crowd? Nobody wants to be underneath the weight of that purse.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:12:29 AM EDT
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They aren't refusing to comply. "Don't look at us, we can't open it" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:14:51 AM EDT
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Oh Dear God, some of you actually seem to believe the "Don't look at us, we can't open it." line! That's SO precious!!! 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:16:38 AM EDT
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Of course you know, I just told you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. As long as it is a pause long enough for them to get a search warrant, I'm ok with this. Reading through phones on the side of the road was bullshit and everyone with a brain knew it. I know. I knew previously. I don't think all the cops in this country know, or care. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:17:18 AM EDT
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Good And I'd like to state ahead of time that that crowd can eat a bag of dicks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd And I'd like to state ahead of time that that crowd can eat a bag of dicks. QFT |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:18:06 AM EDT
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That's a bullshit line and anyone who says it eats dicks !!!!!! If you haven't done anything wrong, you have everything to fear .... because they are watching your every move !!!!!!! Law enforcement has no fucking business in my phone .... but they sure as fuck seem hell bent on going there ..... FAGS !!!!!!!
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd That's a bullshit line and anyone who says it eats dicks !!!!!! If you haven't done anything wrong, you have everything to fear .... because they are watching your every move !!!!!!! Law enforcement has no fucking business in my phone .... but they sure as fuck seem hell bent on going there ..... FAGS !!!!!!!
They do probably have business going through some other people's phones though (with a warrant). I don't have a "smart phone," I think I am better off for it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:19:32 AM EDT
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Sure, and risk pissing off the hipster crowd? Nobody wants to be underneath the weight of that purse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cue the DOJ and a Supreme Court ruling against Apple in 5,4,3,2,......... Sure, and risk pissing off the hipster crowd? Nobody wants to be underneath the weight of that purse. 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:21:15 AM EDT
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When Apple gets all the immigrant workers they want it will comply.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:34:31 AM EDT
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I think that only requires apple to allow the phones to be accessed by a real time wiretap Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:36:07 AM EDT
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Meh, crime has been fought for centuries without access to Apple phones. Life goes on.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:50:46 AM EDT
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<taps on mike>
"um, Bullshit." <walks off stage> |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:56:07 AM EDT
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<taps on mike> "um, Bullshit." <walks off stage> Poor Mike 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:59:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that only requires apple to allow the phones to be accessed by a real time wiretap Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:59:59 AM EDT
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Apple won't even help out customers of their product.
We recovered hundreds of stolen cell phones. Not all could we obtain the serial number to have Apple contact the owner. We asked Apple to retrieve the serial number from the phone and contact the owner. We would never receive any information about the phone or the owner, unless the owner contacted us. Apple would just pass along our information to the Apple account holder and tell them we are in possession of their phone. Apple refused to help. I am sure there is a backdoor into the programming of IOS 8. If not, IOS 8.1 will have it 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:00:49 AM EDT
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My IPhone dindu nuffin!!
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:05:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:13:27 AM EDT
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Sim card. Nuff said.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:14:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good In before the "if you haven't done anything, you have nothing to fear" crowd Isn't a search warrant the proper way to do things? Why you hate the constitution? Apple's policy does not circumvent the right to obtain evidence through the use of a search warrant. Nor does it eliminate 'Contempt of Court' laws. What it does it remove the government's ability to force Apple to reveal personal data stored and encrypted on its customer's devices, BIG, BIG difference. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:14:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. G Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By SamuelAdams1776 All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. G Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. Talks about intercepting communications, not accessing stored data. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:15:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They aren't refusing to comply. "Don't look at us, we can't open it" Then Apple won't qualify for that little FCC sticker on the back of the phone. No sticker, no sale in the US. Every Federal Telecom Act for decades has required that any new technology have an access for LEO and national security. No back door = no license to sell Telecom in the US. All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. Prove it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:17:36 AM EDT
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/1002 Talks about intercepting communications, not accessing stored data. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Originally Posted By SamuelAdams1776 All lawful access required. There is no hardware, software, encryption, etc sold with a FCC license that does not allow for all lawful access or national security. Every device has a backdoor built in big enough to drive the NSA and DOJ through it. Or it doesn't get a sticker. Phones, computers, etc. Been this way for decades. Used to be in the opening page of the Telecom Act. They probably bury it a little deeper now. G Apple will probably act surprised when they get denied for a license, make a big show about only begrudgingly complying when a proper court order forces them to include some "key" for a back door. Fought the good fight, but were beaten by "the man". Years later some whistle blower will reveal that every key stroke, image and sound is automatically loaded to a NSA/DOJ cloud in real time 24/7. This is all just theater. Talks about intercepting communications, not accessing stored data. Well... as long as there's a law against it....
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:21:28 AM EDT
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Can't open it. No, really.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:26:29 AM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:30:21 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a bad thing overall. More agencies will develop their own entry capability in house and have their own techs. This will be good justification for more funding and more employees along with a higher level of capability to manipulate the device in house. Wow, big surprise that you are defending, condoning, and advocating the .gov finding more ways to access citizens electronic devices.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:30:42 AM EDT
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Arfcom will be high-fiving and cheering until the first kiddy-raper walks free because his Iphone was inaccessible to a Constitutionally valid search warrant.
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