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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:23:49 PM EDT
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Multicam
I'm kinda tired of it on everything but it's popular for a reason. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:24:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Blue Waffleflage.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:26:07 PM EDT
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Pencott. Look it up.  That would be tits in PA for most of the year.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:28:01 PM EDT
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Dirty OD.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:29:57 PM EDT
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The most effective camo I've seen in person was WW2 German brown-dominant Oak Leaf, in the early Fall in PA. I watched a guy wearing a repro smock in this pattern vanish when he walked in front of some woods.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:30:01 PM EDT
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I could see where flecktarn would work well here in VA, especially in the fall and some of the winter.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:30:26 PM EDT
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I'd say it would have to be a good all purpose Dazzle pattern.
Sometimes you can try too hard to make things match and need to just go bold or go home. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:35:35 PM EDT
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I'd say it would have to be a good all purpose Dazzle pattern.
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jblomenberg16/media/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png.html" target="_blank">http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd136/jblomenberg16/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png</a> Sometimes you can try too hard to make things match and need to just go bold or go home. Has dazzle camo ever been used for personnel? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:36:03 PM EDT
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The naked lady motif is nice when your HQ is the Go Go bar...
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:49:45 PM EDT
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Kryptek Highlander and Multicam both work well in a lot of different environments.
Kryptek definitely has the cool factor. It reminds me of the Predator. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:50:43 PM EDT
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What would a former sniper say about the Swedish M90 (summer and desert)? 
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Swedish-M90-Camouflage.jpg Same camo, lower light outside. http://i.imgur.com/M1QtEji.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/13685faeb352afbed662f30ee7717ab7/tumblr_n27vyptEre1s8ht07o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RUwfTVs.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/77ea0f67648ff03d904cc2e9c167bcc2/tumblr_n1wvmztukH1s8ht07o1_500.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a former sniper that was in on the experiment and testing, I believe the single pattern that works the best in most environments that is commonly available is multicam. AOR and USMC desert worked better than multi in desert, but multicam worked better in green jungle, for example. The ACU actually worked ok in areas in Wyoming in the fall and winter because the existing vegetation and color of the rocks complimented it. Also, a frequent mistake people make in assessing camo requirements is looking at "high" vegetation. Unless you are a monkey, what's going on 7" or higher in a tree is irrelevant. The area a human needs to be concerned with is the ground level to 6' high(ish), and of that area, the ground to 3' high (ish) because when you are in a situation where concealment is MOST critical (hiding from direct observation from someone in your area). Think about it. What would a former sniper say about the Swedish M90 (summer and desert)?
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Swedish-M90-Camouflage.jpg Same camo, lower light outside. http://i.imgur.com/M1QtEji.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/13685faeb352afbed662f30ee7717ab7/tumblr_n27vyptEre1s8ht07o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RUwfTVs.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/77ea0f67648ff03d904cc2e9c167bcc2/tumblr_n1wvmztukH1s8ht07o1_500.jpg In the examples you provided it appeared like it was effective, but understand that there are many more options on the planet as far as background and terrain, and that with each of those options the added complication of light conditions also factor in considerably. The process of evaluation by trained observers is actually more complicated than you may realize. My point was that of numerous current and experimental patterns evaluated after the ACU flop- by trained observers, who in many cases couldn't tell for sure what pattern we were looking at (in some cases we had never seen them due to the experimental nature) the MC worked the best, so the work has been done. That being said, there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else taking a given pattern and experimenting on your own in a given area and choosing accordingly. When snipers make a ghillie suit by hand and update it for a given AO, this is essentially what we are doing. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:53:40 PM EDT
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If you are hunting big game in the west, ASAT. In the mid-west and east, if hunting on the ground Predator Deception, if in a tree stand Predator Fall Gray. All other cammo patterns are inferior.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:03:38 PM EDT
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Pencott. Look it up. Pretty fucking good. Too bag can't find gear to go with it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:16:18 PM EDT
[#14]
German WW2 '44 Dot pattern. Stuff works great around oak trees and such.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:18:48 PM EDT
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The Deck War of 83. Lost a lot of good men. 
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The Deck War of 83. Lost a lot of good men.
Couldn't save them all many just fell thru the cracks... |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:21:22 PM EDT
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In the examples you provided it appeared like it was effective, but understand that there are many more options on the planet as far as background and terrain, and that with each of those options the added complication of light conditions also factor in considerably. The process of evaluation by trained observers is actually more complicated than you may realize. My point was that of numerous current and experimental patterns evaluated after the ACU flop- by trained observers, who in many cases couldn't tell for sure what pattern we were looking at (in some cases we had never seen them due to the experimental nature) the MC worked the best, so the work has been done. That being said, there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else taking a given pattern and experimenting on your own in a given area and choosing accordingly. When snipers make a ghillie suit by hand and update it for a given AO, this is essentially what we are doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a former sniper that was in on the experiment and testing, I believe the single pattern that works the best in most environments that is commonly available is multicam. AOR and USMC desert worked better than multi in desert, but multicam worked better in green jungle, for example. The ACU actually worked ok in areas in Wyoming in the fall and winter because the existing vegetation and color of the rocks complimented it. Also, a frequent mistake people make in assessing camo requirements is looking at "high" vegetation. Unless you are a monkey, what's going on 7" or higher in a tree is irrelevant. The area a human needs to be concerned with is the ground level to 6' high(ish), and of that area, the ground to 3' high (ish) because when you are in a situation where concealment is MOST critical (hiding from direct observation from someone in your area). Think about it. What would a former sniper say about the Swedish M90 (summer and desert)?
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Swedish-M90-Camouflage.jpg Same camo, lower light outside. http://i.imgur.com/M1QtEji.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/13685faeb352afbed662f30ee7717ab7/tumblr_n27vyptEre1s8ht07o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RUwfTVs.jpg https://38.media.tumblr.com/77ea0f67648ff03d904cc2e9c167bcc2/tumblr_n1wvmztukH1s8ht07o1_500.jpg In the examples you provided it appeared like it was effective, but understand that there are many more options on the planet as far as background and terrain, and that with each of those options the added complication of light conditions also factor in considerably. The process of evaluation by trained observers is actually more complicated than you may realize. My point was that of numerous current and experimental patterns evaluated after the ACU flop- by trained observers, who in many cases couldn't tell for sure what pattern we were looking at (in some cases we had never seen them due to the experimental nature) the MC worked the best, so the work has been done. That being said, there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else taking a given pattern and experimenting on your own in a given area and choosing accordingly. When snipers make a ghillie suit by hand and update it for a given AO, this is essentially what we are doing. Thanks for the reply! Most of Sweden's terrain is quite simulare, and the M90 naturally seem to adapt to spring, summer and even early fall very well. It sort dims itself down as the woods gets a darker green. What is your take on urban camo, for me it seem quite dumb, at least if you aren't a unit that only operates in urban settings. The urban landscape have so many colours and with the flat surfaces you cannot really blend into stuff like in rural settings. I wonder, wouldn't it just be better to only go for rural camo and accept that you will never be as to camouflage yourself in urban areas? Am I wrong? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:21:25 PM EDT
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Pretty fucking good. Too bag can't find gear to go with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pencott. Look it up. Pretty fucking good. Too bag can't find gear to go with it. Grey ghost gear started making some. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:21:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Agree, od green.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:25:36 PM EDT
[#19]
Actually, really dirty MARPAT desert digital works surprisingly well in most environments. For the best single color / no pattern, coyote brown works great by itself. I seem to remember a pretty good discussion about patterns with comparison pics, but damn if I can find it.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:26:13 PM EDT
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OD green FPNI |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:26:46 PM EDT
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24/7 365 http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7d/36/a9/7d36a92648c16351b4d87c591bbd180a.jpg cheers Ahhhh good old Colorado Cosmic RealBud |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:30:28 PM EDT
[#22]
OD green is my favorite.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:39:05 PM EDT
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Pretty fucking good. Too bag can't find gear to go with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pencott. Look it up. Pretty fucking good. Too bag can't find gear to go with it. Tactical Tailor makes gear in Pencott
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:02:50 PM EDT
[#24]
it's still a fairly new pattern as far as getting distributed. it's been in R&D for a few years.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:14:39 PM EDT
[#25]
This thread started out hilarious, then it got serious and boring.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:56:44 PM EDT
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This thread started out hilarious, then it got serious and boring. 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:05:56 PM EDT
[#27]
ATACS FG
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:06:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Browns. When it's green out, hide behind it. When it turns brown, hide in front of it. Or beside it.
Most North American predators are brown for a reason. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:07:55 PM EDT
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ATACS FG If you switch those letters around it says Fag scat. I don't know if it means anything. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:16:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Multicam seems like the best universal camouflage. Also, consider the fact that so many people keep fucking ripping it off. "Scorpion"/OCP, MTP, All-Terrain Tiger, etc. The color scheme seems to work.
It seems like Multicam Tropic would work well for PA. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:16:51 PM EDT
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If you switch those letters around it says Fag scat. I don't know if it means anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATACS FG If you switch those letters around it says Fag scat. I don't know if it means anything. Did you look up the camo pattern, or only see a Freudian  word pattern?
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:27:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Simple is best.
Something like the Russian Gorka-4: 
Or IDF uniforms: 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:38:28 PM EDT
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Either OD green or post vietnam brown dominant ERDL camouflage.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has dazzle camo ever been used for personnel? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd say it would have to be a good all purpose Dazzle pattern. <a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jblomenberg16/media/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png.html" target="_blank">http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd136/jblomenberg16/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png</a> Sometimes you can try too hard to make things match and need to just go bold or go home. Has dazzle camo ever been used for personnel? Because people don't tend to run in a straight line avoiding a torpedo.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:48:12 PM EDT
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Kryptek Highlander and Multicam both work well in a lot of different environments. Kryptek definitely has the cool factor. It reminds me of the Predator. I finally decided to throw some money a Kryptek Mandrake. Works pretty well here in the middle GA woods. I would like more Multicam, but I've invested in ATACS AU for when I go hunting in NM. Works pretty well in the mountains out there. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:49:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OD green |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:49:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Marpat is best pat, primarily because I have a shit ton of cammies.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:50:47 PM EDT
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They are not just brown- they have texture (fur) and shading. A smooth brown surface reflects to much light and IR light as do many modern "cheap" Polyester printed camo's. A rougher fabric like wool, or better yet a ghille suit does much better. Cotton/Poly Blends are generally OK. Infrared Game Camera pics, taken just under 10 yards away: 1) Poly top and cotton/poly bottoms- SAME PATTERN (Predator deception brown) <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0045.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0045.jpg</a> 2) Cotton/Poly or Cotton/nylon blend (Flecktarn)- note the Polyester skull cap <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0069.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0069.jpg</a> 3) Wool jacket (Columbia Gellatin wool brown), Poly/Cotton pants (Mossy Oak), Dark wool cap (Stormy Kromer Railroad) <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0038.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0038.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Browns. When it's green out, hide behind it. When it turns brown, hide in front of it. Or beside it. Most North American predators are brown for a reason. They are not just brown- they have texture (fur) and shading. A smooth brown surface reflects to much light and IR light as do many modern "cheap" Polyester printed camo's. A rougher fabric like wool, or better yet a ghille suit does much better. Cotton/Poly Blends are generally OK. Infrared Game Camera pics, taken just under 10 yards away: 1) Poly top and cotton/poly bottoms- SAME PATTERN (Predator deception brown) <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0045.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0045.jpg</a> 2) Cotton/Poly or Cotton/nylon blend (Flecktarn)- note the Polyester skull cap <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0069.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0069.jpg</a> 3) Wool jacket (Columbia Gellatin wool brown), Poly/Cotton pants (Mossy Oak), Dark wool cap (Stormy Kromer Railroad) <a href="http://s59.photobucket.com/user/toadwbg/media/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0038.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/toadwbg/Game%20Camera%202014/PRMS0038.jpg</a> These are great pics. Most people will overlook their significance. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:02:19 PM EDT
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Did you look up the camo pattern, or only see a Freudian word pattern?Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATACS FG If you switch those letters around it says Fag scat. I don't know if it means anything. Did you look up the camo pattern, or only see a Freudian word pattern?
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:02:42 PM EDT
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Blue jeans (well worn) , worn Carhart jacket, denim shirt, work boots (well broken in) , well worn non descript ball cap, a large construction tool bag to carry my AR in.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:07:39 PM EDT
[#42]
Multicam. Works for me.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:10:17 PM EDT
[#43]
ATACS AU is my go to.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:16:47 PM EDT
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Has dazzle camo ever been used for personnel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say it would have to be a good all purpose Dazzle pattern.
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jblomenberg16/media/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png.html" target="_blank">http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd136/jblomenberg16/12-dazzle-ships_zpsb7b4621a.png</a> Sometimes you can try too hard to make things match and need to just go bold or go home. Has dazzle camo ever been used for personnel? A google search brings up a few hits. But most look like they are probably not front line combat personnel.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:08:11 AM EDT
[#45]
Ameriflage works in any terrain.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:18:33 AM EDT
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This thread started out hilarious, then it got serious and boring. http://customguncoatings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/truckergirl.jpg That's more like it
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:25:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Multicam is by far the best pattern here. its ok but there's a reason that Crye developed terrain specific patterns...  |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:26:13 AM EDT
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Black...I only go out at night
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:26:13 AM EDT
[#49]
Black...I only go out at night
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:35:42 AM EDT
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Black...I only go out at night ...mostly |
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