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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:12:32 AM EDT
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In And................. I agree with OP, this is not the election to make a statement, it's an election to remove Democrats.  Thank you for sorting through my wordiness and understanding the point I'm trying to make. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:12:33 AM EDT
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This thread is full of fail and aids.
I love it when people tell me how I MUST vote, I didn't realize I had joined a union somewhere along the line. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:14:40 AM EDT
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I don't agree with that "slagging"!!  
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:14:41 AM EDT
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So in what bizarro fantasy world does a libertarian running on a third-party ticket have the chance to defeat a Democratic challenger? Y'all keep acting like libertarians are somehow a silent majority in this country and all it'll take is having a few more people vote third party to get the ball rolling.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:14:57 AM EDT
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This thread is full of fail and aids. I love it when people tell me how I MUST vote, I didn't realize I had joined a union somewhere along the line. That's dumb and you want attention. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:17:17 AM EDT
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"What difference does it make?" "Give me a candidate I like, or I won't vote." "They are all the same." "My party can't win, so there is no reason to vote R(or L)." "If he/she does not agree with me 100% on my particular issue, I won't vote."
These thoughts are all from folks who have bought a cruise on the failboat and have more in common with FSA than those who want to solve problems. If you want to fix problems or makes changes, you have to be involved in the process. You must vote in the primaries at the very least... if you wait until the general, yeah, at that point "what difference does it make" is pretty much true... You want change? ID'ing candidates in the primaries that meet as much of the criteria you value and offer the best chance electability is a start. Getting people out to vote that support your candidate choice is a start. Offering support in terms of cash or volunteer work is important. In order to make a change, first you must win. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:18:01 AM EDT
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In before the shitstorm... but I agree... Better to have an R in there than a D, and if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. Too bad some people are too dense to understand this. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:21:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAccording to many here, either would be fine, as long as she had an "R" next to her name.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:23:13 AM EDT
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According to many here, either would be fine, as long as she had an "R" next to her name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yummy. Which one will we get? http://www.jillstanek.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hillary-2016.jpg http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/Elizabeth-Warren-2016-Button-(0186).jpg According to many here, either would be fine, as long as she had an "R" next to her name. Either one, as long as pot is legalized, they don't care. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:24:32 AM EDT
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According to many here, either would be fine, as long as she had an "R" next to her name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yummy. Which one will we get? http://www.jillstanek.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hillary-2016.jpg http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/Elizabeth-Warren-2016-Button-(0186).jpg According to many here, either would be fine, as long as she had an "R" next to her name. Exactly Sorry but the lack of true conservative Republicans show me all I need to know.....if they saw that Democrat problem as valid...we would have a wealth of Conservative Republicans running...but we do not. they are one and the same voting for conservative candidates regardless of party affiliation |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:25:30 AM EDT
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As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing.
Tea party or Third party wins my vote. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:28:23 AM EDT
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with? I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... Entitled? I don't think so. I assume he thinks, like I do, that while I disagree with republicans on a great many things, the economy and second amendment rights are the most important things to me, and are, in my opinion, the most important issues facing the country. So while I may think that the republican position on gay marriage is wrong, I also think that gay marriage is less important to this country than a free(er) market. If you think differently... well, that's your opinion I suppose. Neither democrats nor republicans have a monopoly on individual liberty. In my opinion, without financial liberty you don't have anything else. So I'll continue to vote republican in the vast majority of situations. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:30:34 AM EDT
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New Hampshire's choice in November is Jeanne Shaheen or Scott Brown.....yes that Scott Brown.
A Libertarian vote will help Shaheen......and she might as well be attached to Obamas ass!! Any 3rd party candidate has zero chance of winning or even getting a good percentage of the vote!! |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:32:02 AM EDT
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How do the ends justify the means? And why is the responsibility shrugged off on others? Stiff arming others who don't agree with the candidates fundamentally into voting for them is as directly against freedom as anything Libs. do..
For any party, if you want a certain type of vote, it is up to YOU to fix your party to encourage that vote to go to you. What did voting for a R and getting a D do? It wasted votes that could have been used to grow a third option. I will determine later if I am voting R or L based on a number of factors. It will be my decision and fuck anyone who thinks it shouldn't be. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:32:09 AM EDT
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+1 You're pounding a tired drum, OP. Libertarians are scant in number until the GOP loses, then the libertarian vote is the reason you lost. Fix your fucked up ship before asking people to board it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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give me someone worth voting for and then we'll talk. I see very few genuine pro-freedom types in the Republican ranks. If you insist on running puritanical jackasses, then count me out. +1 You're pounding a tired drum, OP. Libertarians are scant in number until the GOP loses, then the libertarian vote is the reason you lost. Fix your fucked up ship before asking people to board it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:32:19 AM EDT
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When the Republican controlled House voted to raise taxes and to give Obama the additional debt (twice) that told me the Republican Party ain't worth shit.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:33:01 AM EDT
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To the OP'er,
Sorry, but that way of thinking is what lead to the current state of affairs. No vote for D's nor R's for me. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:33:01 AM EDT
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I wouldn't have most of my guns if it wasn't for republicans.
I'll continue to vote "R", and attempt to improve the parts of the party I find disagreeable. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:34:55 AM EDT
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Entitled? I don't think so. I assume he thinks, like I do, that while I disagree with republicans on a great many things, the economy and second amendment rights are the most important things to me, and are, in my opinion, the most important issues facing the country. So while I may think that the republican position on gay marriage is wrong, I also think that gay marriage is less important to this country than a free(er) market. If you think differently... well, that's your opinion I suppose. Neither democrats nor republicans have a monopoly on individual liberty. In my opinion, without financial liberty you don't have anything else. So I'll continue to vote republican in the vast majority of situations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with? I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... Entitled? I don't think so. I assume he thinks, like I do, that while I disagree with republicans on a great many things, the economy and second amendment rights are the most important things to me, and are, in my opinion, the most important issues facing the country. So while I may think that the republican position on gay marriage is wrong, I also think that gay marriage is less important to this country than a free(er) market. If you think differently... well, that's your opinion I suppose. Neither democrats nor republicans have a monopoly on individual liberty. In my opinion, without financial liberty you don't have anything else. So I'll continue to vote republican in the vast majority of situations. This guy gets it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:40:05 AM EDT
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Nope, I'm voting for the Republicans that have earned my vote by standing by their word on what they said they would stand for. The crony republicans and libs in "R" clothing, nope. Won't vote for the "D"s but at least they have some modicum of honesty in what they stand for.
Just tired of all the fvcktard candidates who say one thing and go "crony" or lib. State wise Gov Snider is a bit of both] as soon as they get into office. The SOB lost my vote when he pushed 1/2 million losers onto the fed medicaid roles because the "federal" govt would initially pay for their health care. Now Walberg, yep, I'll pull the lever for him on the Fed level because he actually has stuck with what he campaigned for. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:41:03 AM EDT
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To the OP'er, Sorry, but that way of thinking is what lead to the current state of affairs. No vote for D's nor R's for me. Total bullshit. What lead to our current state of affairs is frankly due largely in part to the religious right infiltrating the Republican Party, taking a stance against inevitable social evolutions, the Republicans losing elections because they're "detached", then the party collapsed upon itself and never rebuilt around classic conservative principles. This lead to the rise of the Libertarian party. Like it or not. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:41:32 AM EDT
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If only one side is apparently winning, then the losing side probably doesn't know shit about "how it works". 
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The way to win is to elect Republicans while working to "reform" the party from within in the same manner that the progressive liberals,and Fabian socialists did with the Democratic Party. But that would take decades of dedication and hard work; libertarians ain't got time for that. "Our party does not meet your views. Vote for us. Then work to change us to what you want it to be." That's exactly how politics actually work and how the Democracts got us all under their socialist boot. If only one side is apparently winning, then the losing side probably doesn't know shit about "how it works".
I've been a well placed, winning, politician for decades; I damned well know "how it works".
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:44:08 AM EDT
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In before the shitstorm... but I agree... Better to have an R in there than a D, and if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. I hate the two party system that we currently have. But one thing is for sure, if you vote L you'll get a D in front of their name. If you vote R you'll get a D with an R in front of their name. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:44:13 AM EDT
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I'll vote for whoever the fuck I want to, thanks
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:44:44 AM EDT
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LOL at you guys who think voting will solve anything.
The problem isn't Republicans vs Libertarians. The problem is democracy itself. All democracies eventually fail, as many wise men have observed throughout history. Yes. yes. I know this was supposed to be a republic and all that jazz, but here we are again with one person one vote yet again. The result will be no different this go around either. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:45:18 AM EDT
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As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing. Democrat party wins my vote. FIFY |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:45:22 AM EDT
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This thread is full of fail and aids. I love it when people tell me how I MUST vote, I didn't realize I had joined a union somewhere along the line. Grow up; it's a recommendation, or even guidance, about how to vote to achieve a certain outcome. No one is holding a gun to your head while you fill out a ballot or giving you no choice but one choice. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:45:59 AM EDT
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Ahh, voting for the lesser of two evils. Either way you still end up with evil.  But, but, but.........it's LESSER evil !!11!11!... 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:46:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been a well placed, winning, politician for decades; I damned well know "how it works". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The way to win is to elect Republicans while working to "reform" the party from within in the same manner that the progressive liberals,and Fabian socialists did with the Democratic Party. But that would take decades of dedication and hard work; libertarians ain't got time for that. "Our party does not meet your views. Vote for us. Then work to change us to what you want it to be." That's exactly how politics actually work and how the Democracts got us all under their socialist boot. If only one side is apparently winning, then the losing side probably doesn't know shit about "how it works". I've been a well placed, winning, politician for decades; I damned well know "how it works". I thought Democrats had us all under their socialist boot? ETA: N/M, you said you were a politician.  |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:46:58 AM EDT
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As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing. Tea party or Third party wins my vote. In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. I have a suggestion for your campaign motto: VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR BLOW A DEMOCRAT; IT'S THE SAME THING. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What difference at this point does it make? |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:47:48 AM EDT
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In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing. Tea party or Third party wins my vote. In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. Exactly. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:49:53 AM EDT
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I like that it's somehow libertarians faults that Obama got elected twice....Nevermind the Republican parties unwillingness to find a viable candidate. I mean it's pretty much as if they have been trying to lose the last two elections. I also find it funny that you folks think there is a difference between the democratic party and the republican party.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:50:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with? I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... Exacta-fucking-mente. Earn our votes, or don't cry when we vote for someone else.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:51:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. I have a suggestion for your campaign motto: VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR BLOW A DEMOCRAT; IT'S THE SAME THING. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing. Tea party or Third party wins my vote. In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. I have a suggestion for your campaign motto: VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR BLOW A DEMOCRAT; IT'S THE SAME THING. I have a suggestion for the GOP campaign motto: WE WILL CONSERVE WHATEVER DEMOCRATS MAKE LAW
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:52:26 AM EDT
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"Our party does not meet your views. Vote for us. Then work to change us to what you want it to be." That's exactly how politics actually work and how the Democracts got us all under their socialist boot. If only one side is apparently winning, then the losing side probably doesn't know shit about "how it works".
I've been a well placed, winning, politician for decades; I damned well know "how it works".
I thought Democrats had us all under their socialist boot? You're just too fucking clever for me; what else can I say? |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:56:37 AM EDT
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? It's a two-party system and there is no way around that. Fire is not cold, no matter how cold you want it to be. Two plus two isn't seven, no matter how much you want it to be seven. A two-party system is not a parliamentary system, no matter how much you want third parties to have any chance of winning an election. If there aren't enough libertarians active in politics to make the Republican party more libertarian, how are there going to be enough of them to have a third party libertarian candidate defeat both the Democratic and Republican candidates? |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 11:58:22 AM EDT
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... truth, we don't need more democrats
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:03:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're just too fucking clever for me; what else can I say? You are doing so well nothing else needs to be said.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:03:45 PM EDT
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I like that it's somehow libertarians faults that Obama got elected twice....Nevermind the Republican parties unwillingness to find a viable candidate. I mean it's pretty much as if they have been trying to lose the last two elections. I also find it funny that you folks think there is a difference between the democratic party and the republican party. You're joking, right? You're telling us that you'd fear for your gun rights, among the threat of many other Democratic ideals, if the R's held the office of POTUS or controlled Congress? By that rationale, go ahead and fuck it. Vote D. Let them show you just how much the same they are. While you're at it, campaign for more leftist Supreme Court justices too. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:04:25 PM EDT
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Grow up; it's a recommendation, or even guidance, about how to vote to achieve a certain outcome. No one is holding a gun to your head while you fill out a ballot or giving you no choice but one choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is full of fail and aids. I love it when people tell me how I MUST vote, I didn't realize I had joined a union somewhere along the line. Grow up; it's a recommendation, or even guidance, about how to vote to achieve a certain outcome. No one is holding a gun to your head while you fill out a ballot or giving you no choice but one choice. Grow up? By repeating what was in the subject of this thread and how much it annoys me, makes me childish? OK, got it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:07:59 PM EDT
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Grow up? By repeating what was in the subject of this thread and how much it annoys me, makes me childish? OK, got it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread is full of fail and aids. I love it when people tell me how I MUST vote, I didn't realize I had joined a union somewhere along the line. Grow up; it's a recommendation, or even guidance, about how to vote to achieve a certain outcome. No one is holding a gun to your head while you fill out a ballot or giving you no choice but one choice. Grow up? By repeating what was in the subject of this thread and how much it annoys me, makes me childish? OK, got it. Pull any other lever than "R" in November and whatever you do for a living stands a much better chance of being unionized and then yes, you will be told how to vote. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:18:21 PM EDT
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Quite a few of you are missing the big picture here. No one is saying to maintain the two party status quo and fuck making them change it. The whole point is that it will not, CAN NOT, be done in a single midterm election. 2014 isn't the time for this statement to made heard. Hell, 2016 likely won't be the time. The next decade needs to be a calculated, grass roots uprising of what we hold dear to us and that begins on a local level. In the meantime, Democrats must be ousted from the power they clearly have over our country at the moment. At the risk of sounding dramatic again, it's do or die time. We unfortunately don't have the luxury right now to mold or reshape our government to suit our desire for re-establishing a liberty loving GOP. We need to remove the GREATER of two evils.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:22:03 PM EDT
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I hate these threads, no one is changing anyone's mind on how they vote in here
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:24:20 PM EDT
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give me someone worth voting for and then we'll talk. I see very few genuine pro-freedom types in the Republican ranks. If you insist on running puritanical jackasses, then count me out. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:29:45 PM EDT
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I hate these threads, no one is changing anyone's mind on how they vote in here It's useful for discriminating who can be trusted to watch your back. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:30:12 PM EDT
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I hate these threads, no one is changing anyone's mind on how they vote in here Then I guess we can look forward to thread titles such as "Boy, I remember the guns I used to have" or "Show me your Magpul-equipped can of wasp spray" or "Where did we go wrong?". Those will be fun. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:34:47 PM EDT
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In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. I have a suggestion for your campaign motto: VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR BLOW A DEMOCRAT; IT'S THE SAME THING. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a libertarian, I will vote libertarian. The republicans will never learn to stop putting up these crappy candidates until they start losing. Tea party or Third party wins my vote. In other words, you hate clinging to what little liberty we have remaining. I have a suggestion for your campaign motto: VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR BLOW A DEMOCRAT; IT'S THE SAME THING. The RNC couldn't go left enough, fast enough, until they started losing votes to TEA Party and libertarian candidates. I'll vote for someone that I more or less agree with but I'm done with "party loyalty". |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:37:53 PM EDT
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The Libertarian Party received 1,275,971 votes in the 2012 Presidential election.
The pool of eligible voters is ~221,000,000. Only ~129,000,000 votes were cast in 2012, and only ~60,000,000 of those were cast for Romney. The GOP convinced 27% of the voting population to turn out for them compared to 29% turnout for the Democrats, and you're worried about what 00.4% of voters do. I think your priorities are fucked. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:40:28 PM EDT
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Top priorities of the Libertarian party: 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders 5. Legalize marijuana You're kidding, right? 1) States rights 2) States rights 3) States rights 4) Close and secure the borders 5) States rights |
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