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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:09:33 PM EDT
Looks like an ACR, but I wouldn't mind having a black one in the top conventional configuration.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:13:05 PM EDT
[#1]
I'll take the bullpup, please.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:14:18 PM EDT
[#2]
I'll take one of each, for testing. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:15:19 PM EDT
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I'll take one of each, for testing. They were supposedly setting up a plant here in Texas to make firearms. So you might get your wish. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:17:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Are they in active service yet?
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:17:43 PM EDT
[#5]
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I'll take one of each, for testing. And a pallet of ammo so I can said testing Properly. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:19:00 PM EDT
[#6]
Looks chunky. Is it heavy?
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:19:08 PM EDT
[#7]
Need more info that a couple of pix and a music video. I could be a very good design. Although "baby poop brown" would not be my first choice in color.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:19:31 PM EDT
[#8]
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I'll take the bullpup, please. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:20:12 PM EDT
[#9]
Did Magpul get the contract to supply mags?
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:20:35 PM EDT
[#10]
It looks someone with really bad 3D printing skills, crapped this out of his 3D printer.
It looks terrible, for some reason. I dunno, that's just the vibe I get from it. It's ugly. Not ugly like an AK47... I mean... ugly like when people do home made custom modifications to the polymer body of a Glock, ugly. Dremel tool gunsmithing, ugly. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:21:58 PM EDT
[#11]
The bullpup looks cool but both smack of "why?" I don't see anything revolutionary or even particularly differenty in the designs vs current rifles.
Also those are really ugly mock-ups. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:22:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Poland GOT BOTH! In pure arfcom style.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:22:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Mmmmm, minty Bullpup.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:22:43 PM EDT
[#14]
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It looks someone with really bad 3D printing skills, crapped this out of his 3D printer. It looks terrible, for some reason. I dunno, that's just the vibe I get from it. Yup. Looks cobbled together. Next please. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:23:32 PM EDT
[#15]
i like it
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:23:37 PM EDT
[#16]
Pretty coolski.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:24:40 PM EDT
[#17]
Does it kill Russians? If so, they should buy LOTS of them.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:27:00 PM EDT
[#18]
Undecided also. Like was said before, I think I need to test it some!
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:28:52 PM EDT
[#19]
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Need more info that a couple of pix and a music video. I could be a very good design. Although "baby poop brown" would not be my first choice in color. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Need more info that a couple of pix and a music video. I could be a very good design. Although "baby poop brown" would not be my first choice in color. Supposedly convertible from conventional rifle, to bullpup using the same upper receiver and barrels or something. It's also supposed to be configurable from standard infantry rifle, to squad auto, DMR rifle and SBR using the same upper. A 7.62x51mm version is also planned. Also quoted from world.guns.ru: The backbone of MSBS system is an inverted U-shaped receiver, made from aluminum alloy. This receiver, along with bolt group, return spring, barrel and gas system are common for both current versions of MSBS rifles.
MSBS is operated using short stroke gas piston, located above the barrel, and its gas system has manual gas regulator. Breech lock is achieved by a conventional rotary bolt with seven radial lugs that lock into the barrel extension. Ejection windows are made on both sides of the receiver, and weapon can be set up to eject to either side; this requires partial disassembly of the gun and installation of the ejection port cover on the side opposite the “active” ejection window. Non-reciprocating charging handles are located on both sides of the receiver. Polymer stocks are made integral with magazine and trigger unit housings (pistol grips are separate Ar15/M16-compatible parts), and available in two versions – standard (with side-folding, telescoping shoulder stock) and bullpup (with fixed buttplate). Both versions feature ambidextrous safety / fire mode selectors located at the top of the pistol grip, and ambidextrous magazine release buttons located in front of the trigger guard. Bolt stop release buttons are located on the underside of the stock, behind the magazine housing. Both stock versions are interchangeable and attach to receiver using cross-pins. Polymer forends also interchangeable. MSBS rifles are fed from STANAG-compatible (M16-type) magazines. Sighting equipment is installed using Picatinny rail at the top of the receiver. Both MSBS-5.56B Radon-B bullpup and MSBS-5.56K Radon-K standard rifle can mount proprietary knife-bayonet (above the barrel) and specially designed 40mm grenade launcher (below the barrel). |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:29:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Better pic:
DO WANT |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:29:55 PM EDT
[#21]
I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH!
(The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica)  |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:30:05 PM EDT
[#22]
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Looks chunky. Is it heavy? A little on the heavy side, sounds like. 8.2 lbs for conventional rifle 7.5 lbs for bullpup configuration. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:30:47 PM EDT
[#23]
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Are they in active service yet? Says they're supposed to be entering service this year. I mean, it has to be better than that 5.56 Beryl Archer AK that they currently have. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:32:04 PM EDT
[#24]
It does look a lot like an ACR. It looks pretty well thought out. I like the forward assist. Is it internally ar AR-180? |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:32:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOh yeah! I'm not ashamed to say I chubbed a little. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:33:35 PM EDT
[#26]
Bophe.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:33:38 PM EDT
[#27]
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I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/btho/PDR/836098E1-6BFF-4B45-A0F6-39BA9CED1FFF-9812-00000D1BA0B21F96_zps96bbc839.jpg Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:34:05 PM EDT
[#28]
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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEIDAk2bSR4
It does look a lot like an ACR. It looks pretty well thought out. I like the forward assist. Is it internally ar AR-180? Sounds like it. Adjustable short stroke gas system. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:34:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Poland ball can into this!
KURWA!
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:35:20 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/btho/PDR/836098E1-6BFF-4B45-A0F6-39BA9CED1FFF-9812-00000D1BA0B21F96_zps96bbc839.jpg Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... .?
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:36:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Looks like it'll work.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:50:41 PM EDT
[#32]
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Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/btho/PDR/836098E1-6BFF-4B45-A0F6-39BA9CED1FFF-9812-00000D1BA0B21F96_zps96bbc839.jpg Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... They never did, really. They showed a prototype around for awhile, but nothing came of it. I would have been one of the first buyers if they ever made it. The Desert Teck MDR is close to it. It's supposed to be out soon. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:53:59 PM EDT
[#33]
I like it.
We are moving more in the direction of guns from HALO instead of the guns from heat. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:57:22 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They never did, really. They showed a prototype around for awhile, but nothing came of it. I would have been one of the first buyers if they ever made it. The Desert Teck MDR is close to it. It's supposed to be out soon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/btho/PDR/836098E1-6BFF-4B45-A0F6-39BA9CED1FFF-9812-00000D1BA0B21F96_zps96bbc839.jpg Never knew MAGPUL made that rifle... They never did, really. They showed a prototype around for awhile, but nothing came of it. I would have been one of the first buyers if they ever made it. The Desert Teck MDR is close to it. It's supposed to be out soon. Since it's so similar to the one Magpul is making, I now *HIGHLY* doubt Magpul will risk going through with their own design,... which IMO, looks superior and more compact. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 10:58:51 PM EDT
[#35]
If they make one here I'll pick one up for the fuck of it.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:01:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Looks like an ACR knockoff. Do not want.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:01:32 PM EDT
[#37]
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If they make one here I'll pick one up for the fuck of it. Yep. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:01:42 PM EDT
[#38]
That red dot optic does not look mil spec.
I wonder if they bought a bunch of them from bushmaster when they were selling them out for $40 |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:02:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Certainly better than their advancements in handguns.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:06:04 PM EDT
[#40]
I'd shoot the fuck out of it. There might be better shit out there, but it looks fun.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:14:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:14:26 PM EDT
[#42]
What the ACR should have been. Nice rifle.
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:18:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I really want the MAGPUL PDR to come out. I will gladly pay the $200 tax stamp for that as an SBR. A "PDW" about as compact as the P90, that shoots a 5.56mm round!? FUCK YEAH! (The below, unfortunately, is likely just an Airsoft replica) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/btho/PDR/836098E1-6BFF-4B45-A0F6-39BA9CED1FFF-9812-00000D1BA0B21F96_zps96bbc839.jpg Supposedly this is out next year, supposed price-point is $2200 
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Posted: 9/13/2014 11:31:04 PM EDT
[#44]
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What the ACR should have been. Nice rifle. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/msbs_demo_20120814_06-tm-tfb.jpeg http://www.defence24.pl/media/cache/slide/uploads/images/3987fcf4cdc208df5df7ed72c097c03b.jpg Figured that's what that part on the barrel was for. Eastern bloc loves their bayonets. Is that a newer pic? The handgaurd is longer than all the others I've seen on the left rifle. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:39:58 AM EDT
[#45]
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Looks like an ACR knockoff. Do not want. A good or bad rifle is completely in the execution. The ergonomics of this rifle look good, and the basic design appears to be a standard AR rotating bolt plus an AR-18 style short stroke piston. Most recent 5.56 rifles are variants of the AR-18, which wound up being much more influential than the M-16. The mechanicals have the potential to be highly reliable. Whether they are or not depends on manufacturing and a lot of tiny details. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:44:06 AM EDT
[#46]
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A good or bad rifle is completely in the execution. The ergonomics of this rifle look good, and the basic design appears to be a standard AR rotating bolt plus an AR-18 style short stroke piston. Most recent 5.56 rifles are variants of the AR-18, which wound up being much more influential than the M-16. The mechanicals have the potential to be highly reliable. Whether they are or not depends on manufacturing and a lot of tiny details. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like an ACR knockoff. Do not want. A good or bad rifle is completely in the execution. The ergonomics of this rifle look good, and the basic design appears to be a standard AR rotating bolt plus an AR-18 style short stroke piston. Most recent 5.56 rifles are variants of the AR-18, which wound up being much more influential than the M-16. The mechanicals have the potential to be highly reliable. Whether they are or not depends on manufacturing and a lot of tiny details. The only thing I can think of against it is logistical issues and potential cost of the unit itself. It seems that everything that isn't an AR starts at $1700 and up. Logistical concerns: There's AR parts everywhere, and probably way cheaper than what this rifle's will be. If you need a spare part, how hard will it be to find, and how much? I mean, it can get ridiculous. Ever priced a new Steyr AUG Bolt carrier group? |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:49:55 AM EDT
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Certainly better than their advancements in handguns. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1KUFlUXOI_w/R2bj2dVUe5I/AAAAAAAAAEE/Y5UZw2DfhZw/s400/backwards+gun+12-17-07.bmp Nice... Polish designers have developed some pretty damn good weapons. But +1 for a cheap joke. 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:51:26 AM EDT
[#48]
Let's make everything look like Halo.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 12:54:10 AM EDT
[#49]
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Let's make everything look like Halo. Sorry, but FN holds the HALO gun award. 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 1:08:38 AM EDT
[#50]
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Looks chunky. Is it heavy? That's a common problem with plastic rifles. Plastic's lighter weight removes any incentive for designing lean, minimalistic gun profiles. Result: Much of the world's military is using rifles that could also serve as surfboards. 
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