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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never. Not even once. Do you have proof? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I noticed a few things. The Atheists in GD have proven in this thread that persecution of Christians still exists. Apparently the Bible was correct on this. I open mine from time to time and find observations of human nature in that time which are still observable today. Evolution has not touched us in that regard. The Christians of GD are generally respectful of others' wishes. It's tough to say the same about the Atheists of GD. No one can prove the existence of God or the lack thereof, but we all knew this. Yet we still get worked up over it. The Christians of GD post biblical scripture in threads when members come forth looking for help in times of hardship. The Atheists of GD post more worldly oriented help. Both are valid offerings. Why there are hard feelings over this I will never understand. snow worships her (God forbid if she is a he.) own ass. Pics still not loading. Sorry about the Christian thread. I didn't even know we had a religion forum. The lock does make me wonder why SYSTEM thinks that was necessary. Was it to avoid a shitshow of persecution? I wish I had time for more but too tired and have to get ready to head out again. It's going to be another spectacular day in the woods, under a deep blue sky. Awe inspiring. The observations Darwin made on the evolution of species is cool and all. In fact, if I knew then what I know now I would have been an ornithologist. But then I look up into the deepest blue I have ever seen framed by the brightly lit greens of Larch and Fir. The scent of an evergreen forest. A cool breeze tickling the sweat covered skin. These things can be explained with numbers, which is all good and dandy, but... AWE. Know what I mean? Have an awe inspiring day. And Christians never persecuted anyone in history.  Never. Not even once. Do you have proof? |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:26:34 PM EDT
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Prove to me there is no God. Everyone else please be nice and refrain from posting. I will be hands off for the day, but will try to read later. Ok, here it goes: 1) God is all good? 2) God is all powerful? 3) Terrible things happen. All three can't be true. So if god exists, he either isn't good or he isn't powerful. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:22:26 PM EDT
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One hurt my feelings once. That's pretty much the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And Christians never persecuted anyone in history. Never. Not even once. Do you have proof? Can you prove this? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:29:26 AM EDT
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Ok, here it goes: 1) God is all good? 2) God is all powerful? 3) Terrible things happen. All three can't be true. So if god exists, he either isn't good or he isn't powerful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prove to me there is no God. Everyone else please be nice and refrain from posting. I will be hands off for the day, but will try to read later. Ok, here it goes: 1) God is all good? 2) God is all powerful? 3) Terrible things happen. All three can't be true. So if god exists, he either isn't good or he isn't powerful. 1) My fist is all good. 2) My fist is all powerful. 3) Terrible things happen. All three can certainly be true. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:32:32 AM EDT
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Because of all the horrible shit that happens to good people. That doesn't prove that there is no god, but its proof enough for me that if there is one, he wants nothing to do with us.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:32:56 AM EDT
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I'm saying that it's dumb to post "I don't want to assume anything" in a thread where you have assumed all sort of things. Prove to me that you are not off your meds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't want to assume anything, Well you fucking fail, then. Are you saying you vote liberal? I'm saying that it's dumb to post "I don't want to assume anything" in a thread where you have assumed all sort of things. Prove to me that you are not off your meds. If you don't care to discuss atheism as it relates to politics then just say so. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:00:25 AM EDT
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Because of all the horrible shit that happens to good people. That doesn't prove that there is no god, but its proof enough for me that if there is one, he wants nothing to do with us. Well said. I want nothing to do with an all powerful god that allows children and infants to suffer abuse and disease. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:47:42 AM EDT
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I don't want to assume anything, Well you fucking fail, then. Are you saying you vote liberal? I'm saying that it's dumb to post "I don't want to assume anything" in a thread where you have assumed all sort of things. Prove to me that you are not off your meds. If you don't care to discuss atheism as it relates to politics then just say so. You are a troll and a bad one at that. You don't want to learn anything, you only want to point fingers. Go hang out in the religion forum echo chamber. As for atheists wanting to change things. Well the Christians stole all their traditions from the pagans and the zoroastrians anyway so what's the harm if a few get changed back? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:50:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So man evolved from monkeys? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Evolution. Done. Winner. Evolution is just the mechanism used by God. So man evolved from monkeys? no, dirt.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:15:06 AM EDT
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Well said. I want nothing to do with an all powerful god that allows children and infants to suffer abuse and disease. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because of all the horrible shit that happens to good people. That doesn't prove that there is no god, but its proof enough for me that if there is one, he wants nothing to do with us. Well said. I want nothing to do with an all powerful god that allows children and infants to suffer abuse and disease. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo49UhEV5rI |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:23:22 AM EDT
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I've been an atheist since I was very young, but what has always drove me crazy in searching for an answer is, "What created the universe, or what existed prior to the universe?"
Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... ETA: If from a theist's perspective, "what was before God? From what was God created?" What I want to know is what existed prior to time=0. Fucking pisses me off to no end when I think about that shit. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:39:20 AM EDT
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I've been an atheist since I was very young, but what has always drove me crazy in searching for an answer is, "What created the universe, or what existed prior to the universe?" Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... ETA: If from a theist's perspective, "what was before God? From what was God created?" What I want to know is what existed prior to time=0. Fucking pisses me off to no end when I think about that shit. Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:57:11 AM EDT
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Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:57:50 AM EDT
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When is the OP going to allow theists to reply in this thread?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:11:19 AM EDT
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I've been an atheist since I was very young, but what has always drove me crazy in searching for an answer is, "What created the universe, or what existed prior to the universe?" Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... ETA: If from a theist's perspective, "what was before God? From what was God created?" What I want to know is what existed prior to time=0. Fucking pisses me off to no end when I think about that shit. Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. That is just metaphysical, "the universe exists, therefore God exists." From what is that predicated upon though? What is the empirical evidence for that claim? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:21:53 AM EDT
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Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. There is no logic in something coming from nothing |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:31:21 AM EDT
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Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. There is no logic in something coming from nothing Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:48:23 AM EDT
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Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. There is no logic in something coming from nothing Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. God exists timelessly without creation and temporally subsequent to creation. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you prove this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One hurt my feelings once. That's pretty much the same thing. Can you prove this?  |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:06:58 AM EDT
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One hurt my feelings once. That's pretty much the same thing. Can you prove this? You must have really hairy palms.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:30:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must have really hairy palms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: One hurt my feelings once. That's pretty much the same thing. Can you prove this? You must have really hairy palms.  Are you an atheist or a Christian? I need to know for my "Hurt feelings report". |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:38:32 AM EDT
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I tire of all these threads calling out atheists, Mormons, and whatever else. They prove nothing and I consider them a contentious waste of precious time. I never won a soul over to the Lord by pounding them over the head with a Bible. It just doesn't work that way.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:43:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a bible but I'm far from being a scholar. Like our Bill of Rights, I figure I can read it and get the gist. There were a few times in my life I wanted to accept Jesus as my savior but I went through all kinds of emotions and couldn't say the words. I'm a sinner, not as much as in the past but I'm still gtg in many ways. The emotions I felt were related to thinking myself a hypocrite, and having a tough time shedding my rebellious nature. The words wouldn't come out. I could be wrong, but I think many people would have a difficult time saying it if they didn't really mean it. It's human nature, recognizable even in ancient times. The problem in the believer v. non-believer war is no one can prove anything. There is no way to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. So let's move on to more practical points. I don't want to assume anything, but my guess would be most of the arfcom atheists vote conservative? Or do you go with libertarian? If you support conservative issues, how do you reconcile the apparent clash in values? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's one of the gaping holes in Pascal's Wager. Pascal's wager would make sense if you didn't actually have to believe in the god, just do what the god says to hedge your bets. This. An omnipotent god is not going to be fooled by a cheap trick like that. I have a bible but I'm far from being a scholar. Like our Bill of Rights, I figure I can read it and get the gist. There were a few times in my life I wanted to accept Jesus as my savior but I went through all kinds of emotions and couldn't say the words. I'm a sinner, not as much as in the past but I'm still gtg in many ways. The emotions I felt were related to thinking myself a hypocrite, and having a tough time shedding my rebellious nature. The words wouldn't come out. I could be wrong, but I think many people would have a difficult time saying it if they didn't really mean it. It's human nature, recognizable even in ancient times. The problem in the believer v. non-believer war is no one can prove anything. There is no way to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. So let's move on to more practical points. I don't want to assume anything, but my guess would be most of the arfcom atheists vote conservative? Or do you go with libertarian? If you support conservative issues, how do you reconcile the apparent clash in values? Politically I am more (little l) libertarian. In case you haven't noticed, Libertarians (big L) aren't in the habit of winning elections. No one, of any political persuasion, is represented 100% by any major political party. Thus I make the same choice as everyone else, picking who is most in line with my views. They mainly are: 1) I like freedom. 2) I don't want socialism. Its not too hard to figure out which major political party is most in line with these desires (hint, its not the democrats). |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:44:39 AM EDT
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Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... So, two points. 1)You can have something from nothing, because nothing isn't really nothing. Hour long video by Krauss 2)Conservation of energy is a law of this universe. Nothing says such a law had to exist before the universe. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:49:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:19:07 PM EDT
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Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. There is no logic in something coming from nothing Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. God exists timelessly without creation and temporally subsequent to creation. Ok, prove it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:51:29 PM EDT
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One hurt my feelings once. That's pretty much the same thing. Can you prove this? That's just random pixels. Proof of nothing. Can anyone here prove that Austrailia exists? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:22:34 PM EDT
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There is no logic in something coming from nothing Is it "logical" that certain nuclear (fusion) reactions produce different results even when the initial conditions are identical? No. But it happens. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can anyone here prove that Austrailia exists? That's a physical place/object, so I'll go with 'yes' for this one. You have to buy your own plane ticket, though. Unless you are a solipsist, then nobody can prove anything
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:27:53 PM EDT
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So, two points. 1)You can have something from nothing, because nothing isn't really nothing. Hour long video by Krauss 2)Conservation of energy is a law of this universe. Nothing says such a law had to exist before the universe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... So, two points. 1)You can have something from nothing, because nothing isn't really nothing. Hour long video by Krauss 2)Conservation of energy is a law of this universe. Nothing says such a law had to exist before the universe. That was a good video. Obviously wasn't able to answer the question, but interesting nevertheless. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:35:23 PM EDT
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Prove to me there is no God. Everyone else please be nice and refrain from posting. I will be hands off for the day, but will try to read later. Thanks, that's the silliest thing I've heard today. Prove to me there IS a God. One of the smartest men who ever lived, Carl Sagan, said (paraphrasing) he would have no problem believing in God if there was irrefutable, factual, evidence of God's existence, but up until now, there is no evidence that is not based purely in faith. I tend to feel the same way. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:40:13 PM EDT
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That was a good video. Obviously wasn't able to answer the question, but interesting nevertheless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Energy being neither created nor destroyed and all that... So, two points. 1)You can have something from nothing, because nothing isn't really nothing. Hour long video by Krauss 2)Conservation of energy is a law of this universe. Nothing says such a law had to exist before the universe. That was a good video. Obviously wasn't able to answer the question, but interesting nevertheless. The answer the video provides is that an answer might not be necessary. That the universe could have come from nothing, by itself, with no root cause needed. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:46:20 PM EDT
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Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. God exists timelessly without creation and temporally subsequent to creation. Ok, prove it. So in the end what your looking for is God to come knock on your door and say hi? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:49:03 PM EDT
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Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. God exists timelessly without creation and temporally subsequent to creation. Ok, prove it. So in the end what your looking for is God to come knock on your door and say hi? Why are you arguing with yourself? Forget to switch accounts? 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:52:16 PM EDT
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Why are you arguing with yourself? Forget to switch accounts? lol and I think some one badly trimmed the quote tree |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:55:26 PM EDT
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Exactly. So explain the existence of a god. God exists timelessly without creation and temporally subsequent to creation. Ok, prove it. So in the end what your looking for is God to come knock on your door and say hi? Why are you arguing with yourself? Forget to switch accounts? What? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:56:21 PM EDT
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Why are you arguing with yourself? Forget to switch accounts? lol and I think some one badly trimmed the quote tree I have no idea what im doing. I just deleted a bunch of stuff |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:01:00 PM EDT
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That's a physical place/object, so I'll go with 'yes' for this one. You have to buy your own plane ticket, though. Unless you are a solipsist, then nobody can prove anything .
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Can anyone here prove that Austrailia exists? That's a physical place/object, so I'll go with 'yes' for this one. You have to buy your own plane ticket, though. Unless you are a solipsist, then nobody can prove anything .
Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:08:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:11:33 PM EDT
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I dont get it. I have no idea who that other guy is
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:13:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:17:11 PM EDT
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Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. That's a little bit of a 'fail', isn't it? Australia is a physical place, easy to locate in space and time, and accessible to anyone willing to make the journey or to accept the concrete evidence of those who have. God is a unique phenomenon in all existence. He is not accessible to anyone, by any means, unless he chooses to reveal himself in some fashion. In fact, it's safe to say no one has met God on any bar in any continent. There is no journey you can make, no test you can design, no apparatus you can build that can contact God. He is forever hidden from human sight, until such a time as the Second Coming. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:18:17 PM EDT
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I dont get it. I have no idea who that other guy is You only make it worse, when you "protest too much" 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:20:43 PM EDT
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That's a little bit of a 'fail', isn't it? Australia is a physical place, easy to locate in space and time, and accessible to anyone willing to make the journey or to accept the concrete evidence of those who have. God is a unique phenomenon in all existence. He is not accessible to anyone, by any means, unless he chooses to reveal himself in some fashion. In fact, it's safe to say no one has met God on any bar in any continent. There is no journey you can make, no test you can design, no apparatus you can build that can contact God. He is forever hidden from human sight, until such a time as the Second Coming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. That's a little bit of a 'fail', isn't it? Australia is a physical place, easy to locate in space and time, and accessible to anyone willing to make the journey or to accept the concrete evidence of those who have. God is a unique phenomenon in all existence. He is not accessible to anyone, by any means, unless he chooses to reveal himself in some fashion. In fact, it's safe to say no one has met God on any bar in any continent. There is no journey you can make, no test you can design, no apparatus you can build that can contact God. He is forever hidden from human sight, until such a time as the Second Coming. He's just having a little snit. Since he can't prove God exists, he's going with the solipsism argument of saying that nothing can be proven to exist. I'm sure it makes sense to him somehow. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Well at least God is not going to be like in the bible. Just as we cannot disprove God we cannot prove him.
Why? Because the bible is a manmade thing that has been changed over and over again by powerful men with their own agendas. We know that over 50% of the bible has been deleted through different processes of elimination where rich men simply voted out the bitts they didn't like. We also know that the bible borrows heavily from other cultures, the story of Noah is not first seen in a Christian content but several years before Christianity started. The snake was a god in the old Mesopotamia. It is very common that the gods from former religions are used as villains in newer. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can anyone here prove that Austrailia exists? That's a physical place/object, so I'll go with 'yes' for this one. You have to buy your own plane ticket, though. Unless you are a solipsist, then nobody can prove anything . Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. I don't need a God, I have a Donk. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:35:29 PM EDT
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Australia is a physical place, easy to locate in space and time, and accessible to anyone willing to make the journey or to accept the concrete evidence of those who have. God is a unique phenomenon in all existence. He is not accessible to anyone, by any means, unless he chooses to reveal himself in some fashion. In fact, it's safe to say no one has met God on any bar in any continent. There is no journey you can make, no test you can design, no apparatus you can build that can contact God. He is forever hidden from human sight, until such a time as the Second Coming. Did one of your "Australian" friends tell you all that? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:40:26 PM EDT
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Can anyone here prove that Austrailia exists? That's a physical place/object, so I'll go with 'yes' for this one. You have to buy your own plane ticket, though. Unless you are a solipsist, then nobody can prove anything .
Okay. God exists. Right now, he's sitting in a bar having a beer in a remote town on Austrailia. You'll have to buy your own ticket, though. That's a little bit of a 'fail', isn't it? Australia is a physical place, easy to locate in space and time, and accessible to anyone willing to make the journey or to accept the concrete evidence of those who have. God is a unique phenomenon in all existence. He is not accessible to anyone, by any means, unless he chooses to reveal himself in some fashion. In fact, it's safe to say no one has met God on any bar in any continent. There is no journey you can make, no test you can design, no apparatus you can build that can contact God. He is forever hidden from human sight, until such a time as the Second Coming. He's just having a little snit. Since he can't prove God exists, he's going with the solipsism argument of saying that nothing can be proven to exist. I'm sure it makes sense to him somehow. Snit? I'm an atheist. I don't believe God exists. Nor do I believe that Australia exists. I don't think that atheists should have to prove a negative -that's stupid. Not do I think that those of us who don't believe in the existence of Australia should be required to prove it doesn't exist. Yet when I ask Australia believers for proof of Australia, I am told it is easy to prove, and they then reiterate adamantly that it exists. They never give any actual proof. It's suspect. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no logic in something coming from nothing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whatever begins to exist has a cause, there must exist a transcendent cause of the universe. But at the end of that causal chain, "something" came to exist without it being caused, which is where the logic breaks down again. There is no logic in something coming from nothing you have it backwards. causality cannot be logically demonstrated, so from a purely logical point of view, cause/effect relationships cannot be used to make any point about the nature of the universe, physical or metaphysical. IOW, until you can prove that causality is a necessary universal truth, you can't use it in an argument. for more, google hume's problem of regular succession. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 4:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snit? I'm an atheist. I don't believe God exists. Nor do I believe that Australia exists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's just having a little snit. Since he can't prove God exists, he's going with the solipsism argument of saying that nothing can be proven to exist. I'm sure it makes sense to him somehow. Snit? I'm an atheist. I don't believe God exists. Nor do I believe that Australia exists. Then lets sit down and work out of plan how we can independently verify each. Then we will compare the number of ways to verify the existence of each and determine which one is easier to prove to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. During this process will also consider the evidence that contradicts the existence of Australia. I will submit to you that there are many more independent ways of verifying the existence of Australia than there is demonstrating the existance of ANY god, let alone a SPECIFIC god. Also, there will be far less evidence disproving the claims about Australia, and there will be far more consistency in the descriptions of Australia than there will be with gods. |
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