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Link Posted: 9/21/2014 8:56:21 PM EDT
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They have no idea.



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There was a live news press conference today and the Police said they found one of his hidden stashes with an AK47 and a bunch of ammo so they are definitely closing in on him and finding his stashes. That whole area they said covers 250 square miles so its BIG and dense wooden area. They also said they believe he prepared for this for months up to a year of planning so who knows what else he has hidden up there. They also said they suspect he was acting out being some Serb militia fighting in a war. The guy is nuts.






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They have no idea.



That is not good.
I'd say if they found one of his stashes they have somewhat of an idea. Plus there is information that isn't being released to the public.

 
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I'd say if they found one of his stashes they have somewhat of an idea. Plus there is information that isn't being released to the public.  
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There was a live news press conference today and the Police said they found one of his hidden stashes with an AK47 and a bunch of ammo so they are definitely closing in on him and finding his stashes. That whole area they said covers 250 square miles so its BIG and dense wooden area. They also said they believe he prepared for this for months up to a year of planning so who knows what else he has hidden up there. They also said they suspect he was acting out being some Serb militia fighting in a war. The guy is nuts.






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They have no idea.



That is not good.
I'd say if they found one of his stashes they have somewhat of an idea. Plus there is information that isn't being released to the public.  
They found a gun. That doesn't mean shit. It means a gun he owns was put in the woods. Not who put it there, when they did so, or even why.



 
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That operator be operating.


And that is really brown, I don't think that is actually PA
Link Posted: 9/21/2014 9:32:42 PM EDT
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That operator be operating.





And that is really brown, I don't think that is actually PA
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Yea I borrowed that pic from here as it was at this site. It may be from the Dorner incident?

http://www.livenewschat.eu/2014/09/manhunt-for-gunman-who-shot-troopers-near-scranton-pennsylvania/



 
Link Posted: 9/21/2014 9:42:18 PM EDT
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Militarization of the police.

Why no 6 shooters and wood stock guns?
Link Posted: 9/21/2014 10:08:52 PM EDT
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They found a gun. That doesn't mean shit. It means a gun he owns was put in the woods. Not who put it there, when they did so, or even why.

 
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There was a live news press conference today and the Police said they found one of his hidden stashes with an AK47 and a bunch of ammo so they are definitely closing in on him and finding his stashes. That whole area they said covers 250 square miles so its BIG and dense wooden area. They also said they believe he prepared for this for months up to a year of planning so who knows what else he has hidden up there. They also said they suspect he was acting out being some Serb militia fighting in a war. The guy is nuts.






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They have no idea.



That is not good.
I'd say if they found one of his stashes they have somewhat of an idea. Plus there is information that isn't being released to the public.  
They found a gun. That doesn't mean shit. It means a gun he owns was put in the woods. Not who put it there, when they did so, or even why.

 
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Link Posted: 9/21/2014 11:00:08 PM EDT
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Why no 6 shooters and wood stock guns?
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Militarization of the police.

Why no 6 shooters and wood stock guns?



Notice the cargo pockets?  It all starts with the cargo pockets.  
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:  They found a gun. That doesn't mean shit. It means a gun he owns was put in the woods. Not who put it there, when they did so, or even why.

 
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They don't know if he stashed it before or after the shooting. They don't know if it was him or an accomplice that put it there. They don't know if it was a cache or something he dropped because it was too heavy to carry two long guns. It could have been there a week, a month, or a day. They have no clue. Unless your hypothesis is that they know where he is and enjoy racking up overtime while people are not allowed to travel and schools are locked down. All they have is a gun, a ditched vehicle, and a suspect tied to both. For all we know the bank robbers killed the kid on the way to the range, took his guns, and hid his body somewhere. Maybe the kid is one of the bank robbers. Maybe he's just a nutjob that happens to be able to evade law enforcement that isn't prepared or trained to deal with situations like the one he has created. Nobody knows.



 
Link Posted: 9/22/2014 1:55:26 AM EDT
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They don't know if he stashed it before or after the shooting. They don't know if it was him or an accomplice that put it there. They don't know if it was a cache or something he dropped because it was too heavy to carry two long guns. It could have been there a week, a month, or a day. They have no clue. Unless your hypothesis is that they know where he is and enjoy racking up overtime while people are not allowed to travel and schools are locked down. All they have is a gun, a ditched vehicle, and a suspect tied to both. For all we know the bank robbers killed the kid on the way to the range, took his guns, and hid his body somewhere. Maybe the kid is one of the bank robbers. Maybe he's just a nutjob that happens to be able to evade law enforcement that isn't prepared or trained to deal with situations like the one he has created. Nobody knows.
 
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They don't know if he stashed it before or after the shooting. They don't know if it was him or an accomplice that put it there. They don't know if it was a cache or something he dropped because it was too heavy to carry two long guns. It could have been there a week, a month, or a day. They have no clue. Unless your hypothesis is that they know where he is and enjoy racking up overtime while people are not allowed to travel and schools are locked down. All they have is a gun, a ditched vehicle, and a suspect tied to both. For all we know the bank robbers killed the kid on the way to the range, took his guns, and hid his body somewhere. Maybe the kid is one of the bank robbers. Maybe he's just a nutjob that happens to be able to evade law enforcement that isn't prepared or trained to deal with situations like the one he has created. Nobody knows.
 


It might not even be his gun.

The article doesn't say they traced it to him, only they that found the rifle and ammunition.

It most likely is his and he put it there, but it doesn't really say with certainty.

Could be some random prepper who stashed a gun.
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Yea I borrowed that pic from here as it was at this site. It may be from the Dorner incident?
http://www.livenewschat.eu/2014/09/manhunt-for-gunman-who-shot-troopers-near-scranton-pennsylvania/
 
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That operator be operating.


And that is really brown, I don't think that is actually PA


Yea I borrowed that pic from here as it was at this site. It may be from the Dorner incident?
http://www.livenewschat.eu/2014/09/manhunt-for-gunman-who-shot-troopers-near-scranton-pennsylvania/
 


if you search for the pic in google lots of links to Dorner come up
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They don't know if he stashed it before or after the shooting. They don't know if it was him or an accomplice that put it there. They don't know if it was a cache or something he dropped because it was too heavy to carry two long guns. It could have been there a week, a month, or a day. They have no clue. Unless your hypothesis is that they know where he is and enjoy racking up overtime while people are not allowed to travel and schools are locked down. All they have is a gun, a ditched vehicle, and a suspect tied to both. For all we know the bank robbers killed the kid on the way to the range, took his guns, and hid his body somewhere. Maybe the kid is one of the bank robbers. Maybe he's just a nutjob that happens to be able to evade law enforcement that isn't prepared or trained to deal with situations like the one he has created. Nobody knows.
 
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They don't know if he stashed it before or after the shooting. They don't know if it was him or an accomplice that put it there. They don't know if it was a cache or something he dropped because it was too heavy to carry two long guns. It could have been there a week, a month, or a day. They have no clue. Unless your hypothesis is that they know where he is and enjoy racking up overtime while people are not allowed to travel and schools are locked down. All they have is a gun, a ditched vehicle, and a suspect tied to both. For all we know the bank robbers killed the kid on the way to the range, took his guns, and hid his body somewhere. Maybe the kid is one of the bank robbers. Maybe he's just a nutjob that happens to be able to evade law enforcement that isn't prepared or trained to deal with situations like the one he has created. Nobody knows.
 


Have you watched the movie "Rampage" too much?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1337057/

Rampage Plot Summary from Wiki
Link Posted: 9/22/2014 11:36:02 AM EDT
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Heard from someone who lives local a ton of PSP swarmed the area around his parents house again earlier.... not sure if it was because of a reported sighting or what....Im guessing most likely just trying to catch him in the area
Link Posted: 9/22/2014 12:07:42 PM EDT
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There was a live news press conference today and the Police said they found one of his hidden stashes with an AK47 and a bunch of ammo so they are definitely closing in on him and finding his stashes. That whole area they said covers 250 square miles so its BIG and dense wooden area. They also said they believe he prepared for this for months up to a year of planning so who knows what else he has hidden up there. They also said they suspect he was acting out being some Serb militia fighting in a war. The guy is nuts.



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They have no idea.

That is not good.
I'd say if they found one of his stashes they have somewhat of an idea. Plus there is information that isn't being released to the public.  
They found a gun. That doesn't mean shit. It means a gun he owns was put in the woods. Not who put it there, when they did so, or even why.
 


Sure.  It couldn't possibly be a cache left by the douche bag?  Which also indicates that the BG couldn't be in area?  
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That was a terrible movie.
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That was a terrible movie.
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That was a terrible movie.

Yet it some what matches some of akengineers plot.
Link Posted: 9/22/2014 1:23:24 PM EDT
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Fox news just said the cops have his position narrowed down a 1/2 mile wooded area.

I think fox is misquoting the police though.
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there's a state game lands there - lots of wooded areas to hide out in....


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Fox news just said the cops have his position narrowed down a 1/2 mile wooded area.





I think fox is misquoting the police though.

there's a state game lands there - lots of wooded areas to hide out in....
I don't hear anything on the previously posted Monroe county sheriff feed. Is there another feed to listen to if something is going down?



Edit: It won't shut up now.





 
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Need insulin?, go pound sand Civilian

Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes

Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.

Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.

"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."
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Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He also needs to chop wood for winter.

"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.

"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."
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http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198
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Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes





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Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes

Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.

Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.

"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."


Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He also needs to chop wood for winter.

"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.

"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."


http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198


Would be a great time for a bugout bag or to use some of your stockpiled food, water, and medicine. Too bad they didn't prepare for an emergency.
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Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes

Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.

Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.

"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."


Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He
also needs to chop wood for winter.

"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.

"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."


http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198



At what point do the cops become  legally responsible  when someone has a med emergency due to there ordered shelter in place? What about  missed paychecks and such due to SIP?
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Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.



Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.



"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."






Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He also needs to chop wood for winter.



"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.



"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."




http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198
LEO response has sucked, but what do you expect for a force that isn't trained for this sort of thing. Taxpayers can either demand SOPs that increase the risk to them and make them be somewhat responsible for their own protection but give them freedom of movement during this sort of situation, pay higher taxes for better training or more efficient use of current funds, or disband the police and form their own posses when shit goes down. Most people don't want the third option, bitch about the second option, and would be terrified at the thought of the first option.



 
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Proud of the people arbitrarily putting you on house arrest? Idiot.
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I don't get why people are surprised that LEOS acting outside the scope of their duties are bad at it? The entire point of the 2nd amendment is so a community can be well armed, well trained, and band together for stuff just like this. People shirk that right and the responsibilities that come with it and are then surprised when the government puts the entire community under house arrest.
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My opinion is that the LEO in the area are just looking for payback for the shooting and they really dont give a shit about the actual residents.
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What would happen to a resident if they got caught try to slip past the checkpoint?  Assuming they didn't get shot.  Would you be charged with something?
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My opinion is that the LEO in the area are just looking for payback for the shooting and they really dont give a shit about the actual residents.


Of course you would.
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They should all don camouflage, grab their rifles, and go about their business.  If they have no business they should do that and just walk around--that'll show those JBTs.  
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I don't get why people are surprised that LEOS acting outside the scope of their duties are bad at it? The entire point of the 2nd amendment is so a community can be well armed, well trained, and band together for stuff just like this. People shirk that right and the responsibilities that come with it and are then surprised when the government puts the entire community under house arrest.


They should all don camouflage, grab their rifles, and go about their business.  If they have no business they should do that and just walk around--that'll show those JBTs.  
If the population was actually well regulated instead of just owning guns and had comms, armor, unit structure, and localized command it would probably have stopped this silly shit the day it happened. Instead people would rather pay taxes and make untrained cops go into the woods looking for the guy and then they want to bitch about being prisoners in their own homes.



 
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Do you get a dime commission every time you say something stupid on the internet or something?

Most trolls are paid by the hour, you should find a new employer.

ETA: Actually, based on the frequency and timing of your posts, I'd say you need to find ANY employer.
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"interfering with a shitshow"



 
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The "emergency" being police keeping them prisoners in their own house?
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The "emergency" being police keeping them prisoners in their own house?
Not to mention the shuttered schools, the millions in taxpayer costs incurred already, and the fact that it's one guy with a rifle. If his goal was to fuck up the community he is winning hands down and making everyone involved look like spineless idiots. I'm not going to be suprised in the least if people spend 100 million over reacting.





 
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there's a state game lands there - lots of wooded areas to hide out in....


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there's a state game lands there - lots of wooded areas to hide out in....




Not sure if connected but passed a group of 4 then a group of 3 PSP hauling ass up 222 coming out of Reading towards that area.
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Do you get a dime commission every time you say something stupid on the internet or something?

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My opinion is that the LEO in the area are just looking for payback for the shooting and they really dont give a shit about the actual residents.


Do you get a dime commission every time you say something stupid on the internet or something?

Most trolls are paid by the hour, you should find a new employer.

ETA: Actually, based on the frequency and timing of your posts, I'd say you need to find ANY employer.


From what you just posted about how they should have prepared for an emergency, you don't give a shit about the actual residents.  You sound like a cop; is it a big stretch that they might think like you?
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Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes

Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.

Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.

"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."


Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He also needs to chop wood for winter.

"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.

"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."


http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198


Would be a great time for a bugout bag or to use some of your stockpiled food, water, and medicine. Too bad they didn't prepare for an emergency.

So fuck them, right?

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The "emergency" being police keeping them prisoners in their own house?


Would it be any different if there was a riot outside your house?

Social disorder can occur because of the actions of one person. This is a valid emergency.
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My opinion is that the LEO in the area are just looking for payback for the shooting and they really dont give a shit about the actual residents.


Do you get a dime commission every time you say something stupid on the internet or something?

Most trolls are paid by the hour, you should find a new employer.

ETA: Actually, based on the frequency and timing of your posts, I'd say you need to find ANY employer.


From what you just posted about how they should have prepared for an emergency, you don't give a shit about the actual residents.  You sound like a cop; is it a big stretch that they might think like you?


Do you prepare for an emergency? Do you have a bugout bag, stockpiled medicine, dry foods, etc?
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Not to mention the shuttered schools, the millions in taxpayer costs incurred already, and the fact that it's one guy with a rifle. If his goal was to fuck up the community he is winning hands down and making everyone involved look like spineless idiots. I'm not going to be suprised in the least if people spend 100 million over reacting.

 


A nutcase shot two innocents at random.  What would YOU do?  
It wasn't "two innocents at random" he shot two cops outside of a station and planned it. It's an airsofter with a few rifles. Don't freak out like there are a thousand snipers in the trees on every street. Post guards where prudent. Use common sense measures that don't make LEOs the enemy more than the guy in the woods or long gone. Let people accept that life has risks if they want to live free. I've already said the things I would do investigatory, but that's hopefully all already being done. Concentrate manpower where it's actually needed with several localized QRFs ready to roll. The real difference I would make is to not have a community so helpless in the first place.



 
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Police tell residents within search area not to leave homes

Emil Rolando, 68, said late this morning that he and his wife can't leave their house. And that's a problem because they are running out of the milk and eggs Rolando's wife needs for a special, high-protein diet.

Mr. Rolando's friend, who had to spend the night because he couldn't return to his own house, also needs to get home to get his medicine for high blood pressure and low insulin.

"He's been away from his medicine for almost 20 hours," Mr. Rolando said. "We're still pleading to get out of the house."


Mr. Rolando, a semi-retired welder, said he needs to leave his house to work and bring in money. He also needs to chop wood for winter.

"There are 50 vehicles driving up and down the road every few minutes. Couldn't one of them escort us to or from the house?" he said.

"I don't mean to be critical, and I'm not complaining. I'm proud of those guys out there. But I don't think they've thought far enough ahead on things."


http://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2014/09/22/Police-tell-residents-within-search-area-not-to-leave-homes-Pennsylvania-Frein-state-trooper-killed/stories/201409220198


Would be a great time for a bugout bag or to use some of your stockpiled food, water, and medicine. Too bad they didn't prepare for an emergency.

So fuck them, right?



Everyone think they're a special snowflake and the entire world should drop everything to help them. People need to learn how to help themselves first.
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Did they ever smoke this shitbag?

Or at least catch him?
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Militarization of the police.

Why no 6 shooters and wood stock guns?
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Militarization of the police.

Why no 6 shooters and wood stock guns?



Andy and Barney could have handled it with a pistol and a shotgun
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The irony of saying that when the police literally are making everyone near there drop everything to help their man hunt is delicious.
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Yeah, that will work out well......
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No reason to try to slip a check point. The residents can move around freely. They don't have to shelter in place. The governor can order mandatory evacuations in a state of emergency but they is no shelter in place order. As a resident you can move around normally.
Now, trying to "sneak" around a check point will get you a lot of attention. But, there is no reason to do it.
If you get to a check point and they ask to look in your car just say no. There's no one in my car and there's no reason for you to look in my car. I'm late for work, am I being detained? So unless they have probable cause to search your car you may be detained for a short period but otherwise you'll be let go.
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I don't get why people are surprised that LEOS acting outside the scope of their duties are bad at it? The entire point of the 2nd amendment is so a community can be well armed, well trained, and band together for stuff just like this. People shirk that right and the responsibilities that come with it and are then surprised when the government puts the entire community under house arrest.







Yeah, that will work out well......
We train 18 year olds to fight wars in less than three months depending on MOS, much of which is physical training and team building. A community could be very well trained in very little time considering they would only need to cover their local area. It's not like it has never been done before in this country.



 
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No reason to try to slip a check point. The residents can move around freely. They don't have to shelter in place. The governor can order mandatory evacuations in a state of emergency but they is no shelter in place order. As a resident you can move around normally.
Now, trying to "sneak" around a check point will get you a lot of attention. But, there is no reason to do it.
If you get to a check point and they ask to look in your car just say no. There's no one in my car and there's no reason for you to look in my car. I'm late for work, am I being detained? So unless they have probable cause to search your car you may be detained for a short period but otherwise you'll be let go.
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No reason to try to slip a check point. The residents can move around freely. They don't have to shelter in place. The governor can order mandatory evacuations in a state of emergency but they is no shelter in place order. As a resident you can move around normally.
Now, trying to "sneak" around a check point will get you a lot of attention. But, there is no reason to do it.
If you get to a check point and they ask to look in your car just say no. There's no one in my car and there's no reason for you to look in my car. I'm late for work, am I being detained? So unless they have probable cause to search your car you may be detained for a short period but otherwise you'll be let go.


Ok thanks.

So people can come and go freely?  What is that old guy in the article complaining about then?  That he is not being escorted?
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I haven't been able to follow the situation very closely. Do they have any hard Intel that he's still in the area? Seems like there was a fair amount of time between the attack and his vehicle being found. Any sightings since they identified the alleged shooter?
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