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Wolf I really did not touch on the more mafia style theft rings.
Just examples of what was compiled in less than a year of a multiple year job for me that became not worth the risk for compensation. |
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There a a case of shoplifting in my city where the perp went hands on with the LP. The perp was a 220lb man and LP was a 100lb woman. They wrestled around for a few before some patrons got involved. Needless to say he got the shit beat out of him. What was funny is he thought the police should arrest the people who stepped up and helped the woman he beat on. The cops laughed at his request. He did not win any civil judgement and spent a fair amount of time in jail for multiple counts of theft and assault. View Quote Totally misread that. Ignore this post... |
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One and only case like that I had the shoplifter's family got paid. Idiot grocery store LP thug chased a guy out over two bottles of beer. Shoplifter was smart and dropped both bottles once LP showed up (negating the right to detain). LP was stupid and continued pursuit. Wrestled with the guy and ended up throwing him in front of a car, killing him. Idiot fucks in management fired us as lawyers because we told them to settle, because the family would get paid. The new lawyer lost the case big time. All in all it was a nice bit of stupid all around.
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[#4]
I wish they beat him more. A lot more.
And I hope they keep their jobs! Shoplifters wouldn't shoplift if they got the old whooping. Period. |
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Honestly unless you do LP you have no clue the true scum and vile pieces of shit you will encounter. More than one pedophile arrested for stealing kids toys. Known and wanted for not checking in and active investigations the PD had going. One depraved shit bag was hiding used needles in the toy section, also did a couple of loaded speed balls around the store. (speedballs are loaded syringes full of whatever garbage the shitballs are injecting and blood. More than a few needle sticks in the store I was in.) View Quote No. No it's not. Why would they inject blood (other than their own after aspirating with an insulin needle to ensure they are in the vein)? |
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No. No it's not. Why would they inject blood (other than their own after aspirating with an insulin needle to ensure they are in the vein)? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly unless you do LP you have no clue the true scum and vile pieces of shit you will encounter. More than one pedophile arrested for stealing kids toys. Known and wanted for not checking in and active investigations the PD had going. One depraved shit bag was hiding used needles in the toy section, also did a couple of loaded speed balls around the store. (speedballs are loaded syringes full of whatever garbage the shitballs are injecting and blood. More than a few needle sticks in the store I was in.) No. No it's not. Why would they inject blood (other than their own after aspirating with an insulin needle to ensure they are in the vein)? That is what they call it around here. They aspirate it and inject but have a few made up in case. Who the fuck knows what goes through a mind melted on heroin or meth a combo there of. ODs were not uncommon in the shitters either. The one that scared the ever loving shit out of me was the lady who was looking through picture frames, got stuck to the first knuckle. There was enough force to push the plunger on that shit needle 3/4 down, it had been filled 50/50 of heroin and blood. I still have a phobia of reaching for shit on a store shelf if I cannot see behind it. She became Hep C positive due to that stick. The Company paid her off and covered her medical. A few of our night crew who stock the shelves are got tagged on a few needles. None were premade, just filthy as fuck. |
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That is what they call it around here. They aspirate it and inject but have a few made up in case. Who the fuck knows what goes through a mind melted on heroin or meth a combo there of. ODs were not uncommon in the shitters either. The one that scared the ever loving shit out of me was the lady who was looking through picture frames, got stuck to the first knuckle. There was enough force to push the plunger on that shit needle 3/4 down, it had been filled 50/50 of heroin and blood. I still have a phobia of reaching for shit on a store shelf if I cannot see behind it. She became Hep C positive due to that stick. The Company paid her off and covered her medical. A few of our night crew who stock the shelves are got tagged on a few needles. None were premade, just filthy as fuck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly unless you do LP you have no clue the true scum and vile pieces of shit you will encounter. More than one pedophile arrested for stealing kids toys. Known and wanted for not checking in and active investigations the PD had going. One depraved shit bag was hiding used needles in the toy section, also did a couple of loaded speed balls around the store. (speedballs are loaded syringes full of whatever garbage the shitballs are injecting and blood. More than a few needle sticks in the store I was in.) No. No it's not. Why would they inject blood (other than their own after aspirating with an insulin needle to ensure they are in the vein)? That is what they call it around here. They aspirate it and inject but have a few made up in case. Who the fuck knows what goes through a mind melted on heroin or meth a combo there of. ODs were not uncommon in the shitters either. The one that scared the ever loving shit out of me was the lady who was looking through picture frames, got stuck to the first knuckle. There was enough force to push the plunger on that shit needle 3/4 down, it had been filled 50/50 of heroin and blood. I still have a phobia of reaching for shit on a store shelf if I cannot see behind it. She became Hep C positive due to that stick. The Company paid her off and covered her medical. A few of our night crew who stock the shelves are got tagged on a few needles. None were premade, just filthy as fuck. It's not meth, either. |
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Gotta love LP All of em would be facing charges here No they wouldn't. I don't know where people get the idea the LP are not legally allowed to detain people. They are. If they're not "allowed", it's company policy, not legality. I can tell you, my dept would have charged them. Presuming a good theft (the item was taken past all points of sale) and the suspect physically resisted detention, my department would charge the suspect with robbery and LP would be listed as additional victims - especially considering that the suspect produced a weapon. Now, if LP went straight to punching the suspect upon contact, yeah, they'd be looking at charges, but that doesn't look like what happened here. Your department sounds.... odd. |
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3) It is unreasonable for another human being, that is not invited, to ever touch me 4) It is unreasonable for persons neither dressed as police, nor employed as police, to emulate police View Quote If you steal, you're inviting them to touch you. Maybe a lot if you resist their lawful detention. Don't like it? Don't steal. Everybody's happy. |
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Honestly unless you do LP you have no clue the true scum and vile pieces of shit you will encounter. More than one pedophile arrested for stealing kids toys. Known and wanted for not checking in and active investigations the PD had going. One depraved shit bag was hiding used needles in the toy section, also did a couple of loaded speed balls around the store. (speedballs are loaded syringes full of whatever garbage the shitballs are injecting and blood. More than a few needle sticks in the store I was in.) No. No it's not. Why would they inject blood (other than their own after aspirating with an insulin needle to ensure they are in the vein)? That is what they call it around here. They aspirate it and inject but have a few made up in case. Who the fuck knows what goes through a mind melted on heroin or meth a combo there of. ODs were not uncommon in the shitters either. The one that scared the ever loving shit out of me was the lady who was looking through picture frames, got stuck to the first knuckle. There was enough force to push the plunger on that shit needle 3/4 down, it had been filled 50/50 of heroin and blood. I still have a phobia of reaching for shit on a store shelf if I cannot see behind it. She became Hep C positive due to that stick. The Company paid her off and covered her medical. A few of our night crew who stock the shelves are got tagged on a few needles. None were premade, just filthy as fuck. It's not meth, either. Dude the needle freaks at the time the shit happened were shooting methadone, black tar heroin, crank, or any of the other bullshit combos they wanted. They were calling preloaded rigs of blood and shit speedballs, the junkies called them that and we called them that. Maybe your lingo is different there but as I said at the time it is what it was called out here. If the garbage they shoot up and how they set it up has changed I don;t fucking know nor do I give a fuck. I know and saw some innocents contract some horrible shit due to the junky bullshit of dumping uncapped rigs filled with drugs and blood in a motherfucking grocery store, and in the bathroom garbage cans. But that was a MAJOR reason I got out of the line of work, to many needles. I don't know if it has changed but it was for a time some sort of sadistic gleeful game these junkies were doing by spreading their misery and diseases by leaving infected needles places or bent in pockets so people patting them down get stuck. |
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No frowny face. Unless those guys are off duty cops, they don't have the authority to attempt to detain someone outside of their store. If they are off duty cops, then they should be carrying adequate gear to detain someone, IE pepper spray, baton, etc.. This looks like a case of power trippers who went outside the realm of their authority to me, and I've personally seen the outcome from a similar situation with a guy I went to high school with. I posted earlier that the $40 dollars in DVD's he jacked turned into a multi thousand dollar home entertainment system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Derpfest. But it's Wal Mart, so no surprise. eta: dude who allegedly stole is looking at a good payout if those were indeed Wal Mart employees who took him down. Why is the thief going to get paid? Cuz Murica. No frowny face. Unless those guys are off duty cops, they don't have the authority to attempt to detain someone outside of their store. If they are off duty cops, then they should be carrying adequate gear to detain someone, IE pepper spray, baton, etc.. This looks like a case of power trippers who went outside the realm of their authority to me, and I've personally seen the outcome from a similar situation with a guy I went to high school with. I posted earlier that the $40 dollars in DVD's he jacked turned into a multi thousand dollar home entertainment system. Why would anyone carry a baton off duty? |
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Oh man those two guys are so fucked! They are gonna have their pay garnished for the next 50 years... Hey thats the society we live in
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Quoted: Gotta love LP All of em would be facing charges here View Quote LP guys would be charged with assault easily. Looks like one of them struck the guy in the side of the head even before the knife was pulled. I shuddered when I heard that crack on the pavement. I think the guy as much as I hate to say it might have a decent payday coming. Walmart has a policy about if they make it outside of the store (Into the parking lot) you cannot go after them for safety reasons. There was a lot of fail in that video. I'm not defending the shoplifter by any stretch but both those LP guys will most likely be fired. |
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Presuming a good theft (the item was taken past all points of sale) and the suspect physically resisted detention, my department would charge the suspect with robbery and LP would be listed as additional victims - especially considering that the suspect produced a weapon. Now, if LP went straight to punching the suspect upon contact, yeah, they'd be looking at charges, but that doesn't look like what happened here. Your department sounds.... odd. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Derpfest. But it's Wal Mart, so no surprise. eta: dude who allegedly stole is looking at a good payout if those were indeed Wal Mart employees who took him down. Yeah def. Both will be fired too. Bullshit, asshole pulled a knife , good head smash |
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They couldn't possibly pay me well enough to do LP at WalMart. I hate even being in the same building with most of their Customers. |
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stop resisting?
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Loss prevention does not have police authority. They are not allowed to go hands on unless the suspect initiates it. Once the suspect leaves the building, it's in police hands. Based on video, they're in the parking lot, well away from the building. Kind of hard to tell from the video, but they at least followed him out and in Wal Mart corporate eyes should a lawsuit against them happen, started the confrontation. Rule of thumb for LP is observe and report, if you can confront them in the store, good, but never leave the store to attempt to stop them. View Quote I'm guessing LP could provide video evidence demonstrating that the poor downtrodden fellow was indeed shoplifting, which would rather neatly demolish a couple of the key pillars of a self defense claim. A shoplifter can't pull a knife on loss prevention and have it be self defense for the same reason a criminal who breaks into your house can't claim self defense if he shoots you. You can't be in the middle of committing a criminal act and claim self defense. As for who can legally detain people, that varies depending on the state. State laws are not universal in that regard. In some states store loss prevention can indeed detain a thief...by force if necessary. |
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Looks like one of them struck the guy in the side of the head even before the knife was pulled. View Quote We have no idea what took place prior to the beginning of that footage. Use of reasonable force in the effort to stop a thief is permissible in many jurisdictions. I'm betting the LP guys wouldn't catch any criminal charges from the cops. |
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Interesting. Like a goatfuck. Loss Prevention better get their shit straight before they try that retard rodeo with someone that has a gun. Two plainclothes fucks try and touch me and they're getting shot, regardless of whatever they're saying. Yep. Of course, it also improves your odds if you don't steal. |
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Interesting. Like a goatfuck. Loss Prevention better get their shit straight before they try that retard rodeo with someone that has a gun. Two plainclothes fucks try and touch me and they're getting shot, regardless of whatever they're saying. Yep. Of course, it also improves your odds if you don't steal. True |
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Quoted: Wrong! At least in my state shop keepers can make arrests on shoplifters just like police can. Now if false arrest, yeah lawsuit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Derpfest. But it's Wal Mart, so no surprise. eta: dude who allegedly stole is looking at a good payout if those were indeed Wal Mart employees who took him down. Why is the thief going to get paid? Because after Wal-Mart fires them they won't have high-price attorneys protecting them from the lawsuit of "I was defending myself from being attacked by two guys that weren't police but were attempting to imprison me / kidnap me" ? Wrong! At least in my state shop keepers can make arrests on shoplifters just like police can. Now if false arrest, yeah lawsuit. I'd bet that you can 'arrest,' but can't legally detain anyone. |
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Quoted: That looks and sounds like a scene straight out of Trailer Park Boys LOLOLOL http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/l60_66.jpg View Quote Great movie! |
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Canada's laws regarding LP may be drastically different than ours, I know England's are. There's a series on netflix where the first 3 episodes cover shoplifting in the UK. Between what the LP are allowed to do (detain you away from store, in a different store, whatever they feel like, they just better be right) and the police not being "hamstrung" by the 4th Amendment, it's a shitfest.
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Interesting. Like a goatfuck. Loss Prevention better get their shit straight before they try that retard rodeo with someone that has a gun. Two plainclothes fucks try and touch me and they're getting shot, regardless of whatever they're saying. View Quote do you plan on stealing something? If you do I hope you get worse, if not then why do you care. |
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Interesting. Like a goatfuck. Loss Prevention better get their shit straight before they try that retard rodeo with someone that has a gun. Two plainclothes fucks try and touch me and they're getting shot, regardless of whatever they're saying. do you plan on stealing something? If you do I hope you get worse, if not then why do you care. Loss Prevention at Wal-Mart and other stores have a history of "going hands on" with people that they falsely accuse of criminal activity. Isolated Incident |
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I'm not seeing any stolen goods so I would need to know if LP was acting on suspicion or fact View Quote Why does that matter? Most states recognize a common law or statutory shopkeepers's privilege which only requires cause to believe a theft has occurred. Your curiosity is irrelevant. But I guess by your logic we should determine whether you, as LEO, violated the 4th Amendment based upon whether you actually found drugs during the search. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege The privilege to detain, although recognized in many jurisdictions, is not as broad as a police officer's privilege to arrest.[2] If the shopkeeper exceeds the bounds of this privilege and makes an arrest, the lawfulness of his action will be determined by the jurisdiction's rules governing arrest by a private citizen. The shopkeeper's privilege is for the purpose of investigation only; if, after reasonable detention and investigation, the shopkeeper mistakenly concludes that the suspect is guilty and has him arrested, he presumably becomes liable for these acts just as he would have been had he committed them without undertaking a prior detention and investigation.[3] Statutes in many states have broadened the common law privilege by expressly permitting detention of the suspect until the police arrive.[4] In other cases, case precedent has provided shopkeepers with similar tools.[5] The practical effect of these extensions is to give the shopkeeper the same privilege as a police officer to make an arrest on reasonable grounds.[6] |
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They couldn't possibly pay me well enough to do LP at WalMart. I hate even being in the same building with most of their Customers. Yup I hear ya there. I go in and after all the I come out or if around a major holiday it's When I do have to go there for something, I hit them first thing in the morning. The factor is at its lowest before 9 A.M. |
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I bet a USGI AR-15 magazine, used, that the two "loss prevention" guys in the video will not be employed by Wal-Mart as of November 1, 2014.
Any and all takers are welcome. There's tons of people in this thread that believe that everything in the video was perfect and wonderful and there will be no repercussions for the two loss prevention guys. Now is your chance to put your money where your mouth is, since "in some states" or "in my state" the actions of these CANADIANS is cool and wonderful and glorious and nothing will come of it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Derpfest. But it's Wal Mart, so no surprise. eta: dude who allegedly stole is looking at a good payout if those were indeed Wal Mart employees who took him down. Why is the thief going to get paid? Loss prevention does not have police authority. They are not allowed to go hands on unless the suspect initiates it. Once the suspect leaves the building, it's in police hands. Based on video, they're in the parking lot, well away from the building. Kind of hard to tell from the video, but they at least followed him out and in Wal Mart corporate eyes should a lawsuit against them happen, started the confrontation. Rule of thumb for LP is observe and report, if you can confront them in the store, good, but never leave the store to attempt to stop them. I've been working LP since I got out of the Army(shit job, hate it, looking for something better, no I'm not a wanna be cop.. I'd be a cop if I wanted to be one). We are told to not attempt an apprehension until the shoplifter leaves the store. Corporate wants it very cut and dry that the person was indeed stealing. It isn't cut and dry until they remove merchandise from the store without paying for it. Concealing merchandise is illegal per state law, but corporate won't let us do anything until they leave the store. Do you have the fancy black gloves? No, but does not want to be a cop, definitely not, not no way. The thought never occurred to him, doesn't sound the least bit appealing, never entertained the idea. |
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A guy who went to my highschool got tackled by Best Buy's LP guy in the parking lot over a couple DVD's he lifted. He ended up with a real nice multi thousand dollar home entertainment set. Not bad for around $40 bucks in DVD's. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Shit...........I thought the dude in black got stuck in his side. He's fucking lucky.
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Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my God. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god..... Yeah dumbass, just sit there and videotape it while some dude tries to stab your friend. Good job. You fucking ingrates. The man did excellent camera work for your entertainment. He didn't even hold the camera the wrong way or annoyingly turn the camera on himself during the action to yell out Worldstarhiphop. Bitch, bitch, bitch. |
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They chose poorly
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Had he already loaded the pressure washer into his vehicle? If so good beat down
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They chose poorly Extendable baton to the hands and forearms for the win Illegal in NY and evidence of premeditation. Just grab a can of creamed corn on your way out. Beat down with creamed corn ...I like it . Got creamed |
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