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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:38:27 AM EDT
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Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:39:43 AM EDT
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Land of the Free
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:41:11 AM EDT
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all.
A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:41:41 AM EDT
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Shouldn't it be free to NOT BE PART OF THE USA???
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:42:28 AM EDT
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:43:03 AM EDT
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Shouldn't it be free to NOT BE PART OF THE USA??? We fought a war over it and the answer happens to be 'no'. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:43:37 AM EDT
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Wait, it costs money to not be a US citizen? What? What do they do if you don't pay the fee?
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:43:46 AM EDT
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It was difficult to officially leave the USSR, too.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:45:34 AM EDT
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Wait, it costs money to not be a US citizen? What? What do they do if you don't pay the fee? Confiscate ur shit. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, it costs money to not be a US citizen? What? What do they do if you don't pay the fee? Continue to tax you |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:48:47 AM EDT
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I'm pissed about things right now but I'm not going anywhere. Besides that, who the hell would bother paying the fee?
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:49:08 AM EDT
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. America is a global taxing authority, no where on the planet can you go to escape taxes. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:49:34 AM EDT
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. The US and Eritrea are the only countries that tax expats indefinitely. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:49:34 AM EDT
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Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... Breaking up is cheaper than starting a relationship. You tell em' to fuck off and you leave. Any money the ex spends to get over it after that is their problem. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:49:38 AM EDT
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Over the last two years, the U.S. has had a spike in expatriations. It isn’t exactly Ellis Island in reverse, but it’s more than a dribble. With global tax reporting and FATCA, the list of the individuals who renounced is up. For 2013, there was a 221% increase, with record numbers of Americans renouncing. The Treasury Department is required to publish a quarterly list, but these numbers are under-stated, some say considerably. link President: TLDR! Next? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:51:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. If Im ready to renounce and split , you think Im gonna give one more thin dime to this government ?  |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:52:05 AM EDT
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I have read that quite a few of those expatriating are extremely wealthy. To me expatriating to avoid taxes sounds very unethical and I wonder what the political affiliation of those who have expatriated is.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:54:19 AM EDT
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A fee to renounce citizenship? lol
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:55:11 AM EDT
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Breaking up is cheaper than starting a relationship. You tell em' to fuck off and you leave. Any money the ex spends to get over it after that is their problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... Breaking up is cheaper than starting a relationship. You tell em' to fuck off and you leave. Any money the ex spends to get over it after that is their problem. Being a citizen is about the legal and financial, benefits and ramifications which make it more of a marriage than a dating relationship and that is why it takes legal steps to break the relationship. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:56:58 AM EDT
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That's what I cant seem to understand .
If Im ready to renounce and split , you think Im gonna give one more thin dime to this government ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate.
If Im ready to renounce and split , you think Im gonna give one more thin dime to this government ? The people renouncing often have more wealth than they can fit in a suitcase and they also want to be able to essentially live in the U.S. while expatriated since they are extremely wealthy and can travel at their whim. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:59:45 AM EDT
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Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans. That's really not the point. Some people work abroad and have no plans to return. They tax your earnings overseas, which are already taxed by the government there, but that's not even the true reason people are renouncing. When Americans living abroad file their taxes each year, it's beyond a rectal exam. Some banks won't are cutting off Americans abroad due to the outlandish reporting requirements. At some point, to some people, they say why keep the citizenship just so they can pay more taxes and receive a 5 fingered rectal exam each year. I absolutely get where those people are coming from. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:04:13 AM EDT
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I have read that quite a few of those expatriating are extremely wealthy. To me expatriating to avoid taxes sounds very unethical and I wonder what the political affiliation of those who have expatriated is.
Are you kidding? The USA being the only country that taxes citizens working abroad seems extremely unethical to me. The government of the country where the money is earned always taxes it, then they are taxed by the USA too. The only logic as to why the US government should tax citizens a second time that are already being taxed by the home country where they work, while receiving none of the benefit of US citizenship is fuck you, pay us. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:05:26 AM EDT
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Over the last two years, the U.S. has had a spike in expatriations. It isn’t exactly Ellis Island in reverse, but it’s more than a dribble. With global tax reporting and FATCA, the list of the individuals who renounced is up. For 2013, there was a 221% increase, with record numbers of Americans renouncing. The Treasury Department is required to publish a quarterly list, but these numbers are under-stated, some say considerably. link Funny, I don't see any actual figures for the numbers that have left. 221% sounds like a lot, but if it was 0 one year, and 221 the next, I guess you could generate those numbers. Oh look, it's an astonishing......789 people for 2014 Q1 and Q2! They haven't even broken 1000! If it were my policy, I would pay people to leave, with the stipulation that you don't even think about coming back. I would offer differentials for Democrats and welfare leeches, even paying their air fares. Silly government, give them the rope, don't make it harder for disloyal people who are clueless about the world to renounce US Citizenship, something millions of people around the world would sell their children for. I have friends on lottery lists in highly developed nations right now who wouldn't think twice about coming here if they could. Only problem is, their home countries aren't ever going to let them leave since they are hard-working tax mules. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:06:30 AM EDT
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That's what I cant seem to understand .
If Im ready to renounce and split , you think Im gonna give one more thin dime to this government ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate.
If Im ready to renounce and split , you think Im gonna give one more thin dime to this government ? I'm sure the US can get their hands on your foreign bank accounts. Big banks are international, if they didn't comply in allowing the US government to raid your account, the US could threaten to not allow them access to deep pocket Americans in the US. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:16:08 AM EDT
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Funny, I don't see any actual figures for the numbers that have left. 221% sounds like a lot, but if it was 0 one year, and 221 the next, I guess you could generate those numbers. Oh look, it's an astonishing......789 people for 2014 Q1 and Q2! They haven't even broken 1000! http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef01a511f17c92970c-550wi If it were my policy, I would pay people to leave, with the stipulation that you don't even think about coming back. I would offer differentials for Democrats and welfare leeches, even paying their air fares. Silly government, give them the rope, don't make it harder for disloyal people who are clueless about the world to renounce US Citizenship, something millions of people around the world would sell their children for. I have friends on lottery lists in highly developed nations right now who wouldn't think twice about coming here if they could. Only problem is, their home countries aren't ever going to let them leave since they are hard-working tax mules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over the last two years, the U.S. has had a spike in expatriations. It isn’t exactly Ellis Island in reverse, but it’s more than a dribble. With global tax reporting and FATCA, the list of the individuals who renounced is up. For 2013, there was a 221% increase, with record numbers of Americans renouncing. The Treasury Department is required to publish a quarterly list, but these numbers are under-stated, some say considerably. link Funny, I don't see any actual figures for the numbers that have left. 221% sounds like a lot, but if it was 0 one year, and 221 the next, I guess you could generate those numbers. Oh look, it's an astonishing......789 people for 2014 Q1 and Q2! They haven't even broken 1000! http://taxprof.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4eab53ef01a511f17c92970c-550wi If it were my policy, I would pay people to leave, with the stipulation that you don't even think about coming back. I would offer differentials for Democrats and welfare leeches, even paying their air fares. Silly government, give them the rope, don't make it harder for disloyal people who are clueless about the world to renounce US Citizenship, something millions of people around the world would sell their children for. I have friends on lottery lists in highly developed nations right now who wouldn't think twice about coming here if they could. Only problem is, their home countries aren't ever going to let them leave since they are hard-working tax mules. They should release statistics on net worth of those who leave. I mean if these big shots who hate taxes so much had any balls they would stay a citizen and fight this tax hungry government like we all do. But they don't care about the welfare of the nation, they would rather cut and run and keep letting us little guys fight to maintain the opportunity to make it big and let us keep getting taxed out of our minds. Tax evasion is why wealthy people are liberal. If you can live like a king and not pay the government it is easy to agree with everything the government does to everyone else. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:17:19 AM EDT
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The cost to get my wife's green card was bullshit, so this doesn't surprise me
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:17:31 AM EDT
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Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans. This |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:24:27 AM EDT
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Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:25:46 AM EDT
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Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans. Freedom is a state of mind (and an unfettered bank account), not a grid square. If one grid square wants to tax dat ass and another says come invest in our FEZ, it's an easy decision. An FEZ would blow minds, in America. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:25:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:31:04 AM EDT
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They should release statistics on net worth of those who leave. I mean if these big shots who hate taxes so much had any balls they would stay a citizen and fight this tax hungry government like we all do. But they don't care about the welfare of the nation, they would rather cut and run and keep letting us little guys fight to maintain the opportunity to make it big and let us keep getting taxed out of our minds. Tax evasion is why wealthy people are liberal. If you can live like a king and not pay the government it is easy to agree with everything the government does to everyone else. Most high wealth individuals do not have the hobby of tilting at windmills. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 11:35:55 AM EDT
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Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. Same reason it takes more than a 'hello' letter to make you a citizen... Going the lawful way is costly, timely and makes you a sucker. Just being a repressed hispanic that doesn't speak English sometimes will get you a better to start to life. "Citizen" doesn't mean what you think it does anymore. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:40:02 PM EDT
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. I totally agree. One of the hallmarks of a Free society is that people can vote with their feet anytime without paying any type of fee. During the 1930's Nazi Germany imposed an Exit Tax on Jews trying to leave. The US is basically doing the same thing. The Reich Flight Tax rate was: January 1934: 20% August 1934: 65% October 1936: 81% June 1938: 90% September 1939: 96% |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:49:22 PM EDT
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I totally agree. One of the hallmarks of a Free society is that people can vote with their feet anytime without paying any type of fee. During the 1930's Nazi Germany imposed an Exit Tax on Jews trying to leave. The US is basically doing the same thing. The Reich Flight Tax rate was: January 1934: 20% August 1934: 65% October 1936: 81% June 1938: 90% September 1939: 96% Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. I totally agree. One of the hallmarks of a Free society is that people can vote with their feet anytime without paying any type of fee. During the 1930's Nazi Germany imposed an Exit Tax on Jews trying to leave. The US is basically doing the same thing. The Reich Flight Tax rate was: January 1934: 20% August 1934: 65% October 1936: 81% June 1938: 90% September 1939: 96% Two years ago renunciations were free. Then they were $450 Now they are $2,300 A couple more years, who knows? $10,000 - 20,000? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:52:30 PM EDT
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There's nothing a government hates more than to lose control over you.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:53:32 PM EDT
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They should release statistics on net worth of those who leave. I mean if these big shots who hate taxes so much had any balls they would stay a citizen and fight this tax hungry government like we all do. But they don't care about the welfare of the nation, they would rather cut and run and keep letting us little guys fight to maintain the opportunity to make it big and let us keep getting taxed out of our minds. Tax evasion is why wealthy people are liberal. If you can live like a king and not pay the government it is easy to agree with everything the government does to everyone else. I have no problem with people doing what they think is right for themselves and their families. I don't expect the wold to be full of martyrs. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:54:29 PM EDT
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Two years ago renunciations were free. Then they were $450 Now they are $2,300 A couple more years, who knows? $10,000 - 20,000? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person is truly renouncing their citizenship why do they need the government's permission at all. A simple "goodbye" letter with a postmark from their new home nation should be adequate. I totally agree. One of the hallmarks of a Free society is that people can vote with their feet anytime without paying any type of fee. During the 1930's Nazi Germany imposed an Exit Tax on Jews trying to leave. The US is basically doing the same thing. The Reich Flight Tax rate was: January 1934: 20% August 1934: 65% October 1936: 81% June 1938: 90% September 1939: 96% Two years ago renunciations were free. Then they were $450 Now they are $2,300 A couple more years, who knows? $10,000 - 20,000? Is that for Canada or the US? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:57:19 PM EDT
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I have read that quite a few of those expatriating are extremely wealthy. To me expatriating to avoid taxes sounds very unethical and I wonder what the political affiliation of those who have expatriated is.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:58:23 PM EDT
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Phuc Woody Wilson.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 5:59:35 PM EDT
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Instead of punishing those who want to leave, we ought to find out why someone would want to leave the US and fix that. The majority of them are expatriates who are getting caught up in the insanely intrusive tax laws regarding foreign accounts - and with good reason.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:03:26 PM EDT
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Land of the Free Do you even freedom bro? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if I had a place to go I would never renounce, I'm a true believer in the United States and will always be. Through bad times and good we are Americans. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:04:47 PM EDT
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They are the ones who can afford to Go Galt.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:05:25 PM EDT
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I have read that quite a few of those expatriating are extremely wealthy. To me expatriating to avoid taxes sounds very unethical and I wonder what the political affiliation of those who have expatriated is. What is unethical is stealing people's shit. I am all for people saving and preserving what they earn. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:05:41 PM EDT
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A fee to renounce citizenship? lol early termination fee. you didn't read the fine print? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:05:53 PM EDT
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So you have to pay money to no longer be a citizen? Had no idea that was the case.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:07:48 PM EDT
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Over the last two years, the U.S. has had a spike in expatriations. It isn’t exactly Ellis Island in reverse, but it’s more than a dribble. With global tax reporting and FATCA, the list of the individuals who renounced is up. For 2013, there was a 221% increase, with record numbers of Americans renouncing. The Treasury Department is required to publish a quarterly list, but these numbers are under-stated, some say considerably. link 
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:07:51 PM EDT
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So you have to pay money to no longer be a citizen? Had no idea that was the case. The civil war proved that entrance into this country is a suicide pact. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:07:56 PM EDT
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Instead of punishing those who want to leave, we ought to find out why someone would want to leave the US and fix that. The majority of them are expatriates who are getting caught up in the insanely intrusive tax laws regarding foreign accounts - and with good reason. Exactly. I don't think everyone screaming "fuck them, I'd never renounce" understand this. They're not even upset with America or being American, they can't take the anal examination anymore. Even if you hardly make money, you still have to pay accountants lot of coin to figure out all your required disclosures. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 6:08:00 PM EDT
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Shouldn't it be free to NOT BE PART OF THE USA??? Lol. How naive. |
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