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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:34:27 PM EDT
Finnish YLE Article
Finland’s defence minister describes ”frustration” at the news of a third alleged airspace incursion within a week and announces stepped-up surveillance by Hornet fighters, in an apparent hardening of attitudes towards Russia’s actions. 
Looks like the Russians are doing more posturing in the face of Finland participating in NATO naval forces exercise, allowing ships to dock at Turku. http://yle.fi/uutiset/nato_warships_receive_mixed_welcome_in_turku_harbour/7442268 Russia just warned Finland that it could start World War III if it joins NATO. Putin envoy warns Finland against joining NATO “Anti-Semitism started World War II, Russophobia could start the third. Finland is one of the most russiphobian countries in Europe, together with Sweden and the Baltic states,” says Russian President Vladimir Putin’s personal envoy Sergei Markov, interviewed by Hufudstadsbladet this weekend. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:35:35 PM EDT
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It isn't Finnish air space if Russian aircraft can travel through it without permission or interception.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:38:27 PM EDT
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Finnish YLE Article http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/news/article7442515.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/Finnish+airspace+incursions+29_8 Finland’s defence minister describes ”frustration” at the news of a third alleged airspace incursion within a week and announces stepped-up surveillance by Hornet fighters, in an apparent hardening of attitudes towards Russia’s actions. http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article7272477.ece/ALTERNATES/w320h180/1_6_+Hornet.jpg Looks like the Russians are doing more posturing in the face of Finland participating in NATO naval forces exercise, allowing ships to dock at Turku. http://yle.fi/uutiset/nato_warships_receive_mixed_welcome_in_turku_harbour/7442268 Russia just warned Finland that it could start World War III if it joins NATO. Putin envoy warns Finland against joining NATO “Anti-Semitism started World War II, Russophobia could start the third. Finland is one of the most russiphobian countries in Europe, together with Sweden and the Baltic states,” says Russian President Vladimir Putin’s personal envoy Sergei Markov, interviewed by Hufudstadsbladet this weekend. I simply can't imagine why. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:39:33 PM EDT
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Time to send back all the M39s
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:40:17 PM EDT
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These fucking Russians. They are going to keep messing around until an ugly incident takes place. Then we know the rest of the story.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These fucking Russians. They are going to keep messing around until an ugly incident takes place. Then we know the rest of the story. http://i.imgur.com/TeP8yaW.png I guess they are trying to get info on the NATO exercise. Although other more experienced members might chime in about why they are doing this. I wouldn't necessarily blame them. Heck, if the Ruskies were to do a military exercise, I'd want an eye in the sky monitoring what exactly they are doing. (Maybe even an ear in the water too.)  |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:44:10 PM EDT
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I admit it,I hate Russians. They're a bunch of drunken mongoloids who only produce an occasionally decent example of a human at approximately the same rate that civilized cultures produce sociopaths.
I'm not Russophobic,I simply can't stand them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:48:26 PM EDT
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One of the main issues is that Finland and Russia have been excellent trade partners for each other, especially through and after the Cold War.
Russia has always felt very uncomfortable and vulnerable to not have Finland under its control, which it did to some extent in the last days of the Czarist Empire. Once Germany funded the Bolshevik Revolution with a Lenin front man to get the Czarist Army out of the Great War, Finland was able to gain independence for the first time in centuries of Swedish and Russian Empire conquests. The reason why Stalin invaded in 1939 was to secure their most vulnerable border region, within spitting distance of their 2nd largest city, Sainkt Petersburg (Leningrad at the time). By invading and taking control over Helsinki, he thought he would have that part of their border firmly secure, with Finland's wonderful deep sea ports and sea access to further the Soviet Union's naval, economic, and trade status. Of course, it didn't work out so well. The Finns were underestimated in the most historically epic sense, sans Thermopylae, and the Soviet Union lost 10 entire divisions in a period of 105 days in what would be known as...Talvisota, or Winter War. My grandfather fought in it, as well as the Continuation War. I have personally witnessed a MiG-29 flying over Central Finland in 2012, while out boating on a lake. This incident does not appear on the incursions map, and was a very low-level flight path. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:50:22 PM EDT
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It isn't Finnish air space if Russian aircraft can travel through it without permission or interception. I'd be OK with it if they gave a next time we splash the fucker warning and followed through. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:50:24 PM EDT
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Huh I wonder why Finnland would be Russophobic?
Surely they're just mean racist and this undue hatred has no actual historical significance. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:55:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:59:39 PM EDT
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I guess they are trying to get info on the NATO exercise. Although other more experienced members might chime in about why they are doing this. I wouldn't necessarily blame them. Heck, if the Ruskies were to do a military exercise, I'd want an eye in the sky monitoring what exactly they are doing. (Maybe even an ear in the water too.)
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These fucking Russians. They are going to keep messing around until an ugly incident takes place. Then we know the rest of the story. http://i.imgur.com/TeP8yaW.png I guess they are trying to get info on the NATO exercise. Although other more experienced members might chime in about why they are doing this. I wouldn't necessarily blame them. Heck, if the Ruskies were to do a military exercise, I'd want an eye in the sky monitoring what exactly they are doing. (Maybe even an ear in the water too.)
They have plenty of spies in the harbors, around Finnish bases, and living in Finland under cover for status. They've been purchasing real estate around Finnish military bases ever since Putin became President. It is simply not acceptable for Russia to have Finland part of NATO, because Sainkt Petersburg is within such a close distance to the border, even after the Russians took Karelia in the 1940's. With modern weaponry and the range and payload capability of just tactical systems, both land and air delivered, they have strategic implications for the Baltic Region, and Russia would end up at the mercy of 2 NATO nations as to its access to the Baltic Sea, having to pass through Estonia and Finland's waters. Finland as a NATO nation, even without any change to its military structure, would then be in alliance and subject to trade embargoes on Russia, and Russia does not want that to happen. Neither does Finland. Russia is posturing to intimidate Finland to let them know this game is for keeps, but the Finns are already painfully aware of that, and will have a difficult time of not escalating their national defense outlook, which then forces the Russians to break out the next chess piece. Not a smart game to play, considering Finland has JASSM's by the dozens for launch from F/A-18's. It has plenty of range to reach targets in Russia, with a 450kg warhead. 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:59:45 PM EDT
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Larry Thorne is not impressed.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:02:01 PM EDT
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Finland only has about 60 F-18 Hornets to FO with and none of them are set up for Air to Ground Operations against invasion. I always wondered why NATO never put a base in there right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was a missed opportunity as Russia was still trying to pick up its pieces.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:05:42 PM EDT
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start shooting down the Russian planes :shrugs:
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:14:15 PM EDT
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Finland only has about 60 F-18 Hornets to FO with and none of them are set up for Air to Ground Operations against invasion. I always wondered why NATO never put a base in there right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was a missed opportunity as Russia was still trying to pick up its pieces. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Finland only has about 60 F-18 Hornets to FO with and none of them are set up for Air to Ground Operations against invasion. I always wondered why NATO never put a base in there right after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was a missed opportunity as Russia was still trying to pick up its pieces. Finland ordered the F-18 Hornet with no A2G capabilities, to let Russia know they were intentionally structuring the aircraft as an air defense fighter only, to replace aging MiG-21's and Draakens. That all went out the window in 2010, when Finland asked to be able to purchase the JASSM from the US. The Finnish Air Force F-18's have been going through avionics and accessory upgrades to be fully capable F/A-18C/D with MLU-1 focusing on Helmet Mounted Display and Integration of AIM-9X, as well as upgrading the IFF capabilities for BVR work and AMRAAM. Here's the summary of MLU-2: The primary objective of the second upgrade, designated MLU 2 and slated for implementation between 2010 and 2016, is to give the Hornet a surface attack capability that will be used to support the combat of the other services during joint operations. Finnish Air Force MLU-2 Fact Sheet They've been canning the CRT's and going to LCD displays, going to the later variants of AMRAAM, improving structural components of the airframe, and getting the engines overhauled. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:31:53 PM EDT
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Paging Mr. Hayha, Mr. Hayha to the white courtesy phone....
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:00:03 PM EDT
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Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[div style='text-align: center;']http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? I would say that they are when they're fighting for their existence. I support Finland 100%. And fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:00:27 PM EDT
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One SAM battery staffed by 'Rebels' would fix that violation.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:03:14 PM EDT
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Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[div style='text-align: center;']http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? The problem is that the war was "paused" and continued the next year and Finland lost, even with Nazi help. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:08:03 PM EDT
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[div style='text-align: center;']http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? They do have the highest handgun ownership rate in the world. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:08:37 PM EDT
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I would say that they are when they're fighting for their existence. I support Finland 100%. And fuck Russia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[div style='text-align: center;']http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? I would say that they are when they're fighting for their existence. I support Finland 100%. And fuck Russia. Fuck them in the ass with a rusty Finnish cactus. 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:10:07 PM EDT
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[div style='text-align: center;']http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg Only problem with this is; are the Finns still the insane ass kickers? I mean, things change, has their population gotten as soft as our own and most Western countries? I would say that they are when they're fighting for their existence. I support Finland 100%. And fuck Russia. Fuck them in the ass with a rusty Finnish cactus vodka bottle. FIFY |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:11:31 PM EDT
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And fuck Russia. Fuck them in the ass with a rusty, broken Finnish cactus vodka bottle. FIFY Fixed it again |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:11:51 PM EDT
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And amateur hour continues at the White House.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:32:09 PM EDT
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake.
The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:58:21 PM EDT
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 5:21:39 PM EDT
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 5:44:35 PM EDT
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Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 5:47:04 PM EDT
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The air space belongs to those that have the will and ability to keep it. Doesn't sound to me like the Finns have the will.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 5:50:19 PM EDT
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Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 5:53:15 PM EDT
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Is Simo Häyhä gonna have to come out of his cryogenic sleep to fuck up some more Russian commies?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:04:03 PM EDT
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Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. I actually worked in Russian transit trade in the 90s. Back then everything moved via Finnish ports. Hasn't been that way for over ten years now. The traffic from Finnish ports has decreased in sync with the expansion of the Bolshoi. It takes ships with 11 m draft nowadays. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:05:30 PM EDT
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This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. In that case Russia would have no real choice other than a war of territorial conquest, would she? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:10:05 PM EDT
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This is nothing. In 1985 the Soviets fired a fucking cruise missile (SSN 3 or 12) into Lapland. Luckily for everyone involved it didn't carry a warhead and fell harmlessly into a frozen lake. The real squeeze from Russia is economic. The trade sanctions Russia has imposed are really hurting us money-wise. What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. If I had any say in the matter I'd be throwing some very favorable trade agreements your way... But I don't. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:15:20 PM EDT
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What are those sanctions? Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. In that case Russia would have no real choice other than a war of territorial conquest, would she? A war she knows she will lose? Doubtful. More likely the second option: Stop acting like assholes, calm everything down a notch, and open a dialog with the Western powers on reducing tensions and opening trade for mutual benefit. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:19:12 PM EDT
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Restrictions on food stuffs imported from Finland, essentially dairy products. Now they are also talking about restricting Russians from travelling abroad - Russian tourists bring annually nearly a billion euros to Finland. Not devastating stuff but painful in the current economic situation. Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. In that case Russia would have no real choice other than a war of territorial conquest, would she? A war she knows she will lose? Doubtful. More likely the second option: Stop acting like assholes, calm everything down a notch, and open a dialog with the Western powers on reducing tensions and opening trade for mutual benefit. I may not be reading your mind properly, but are you saying that you think the Finns would win in a war against Russia? Or that you think that the Finns could count on NATO for support? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:21:08 PM EDT
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The reds are getting froggy.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:24:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:33:16 PM EDT
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Looks like a good time to find new export markets. Easier said than done, since Russia is right there. Russia's economy really needs Finland, since Finland is rich with deep sea ports. There aren't many other options for them to import goods into the Sainkt Petersburg and Moscow regions. It has been this way dating way back, to the extent that Russia even imported hay from Finland. Finland is more temperate than Russia due to being located near so many waters. This. I bet Russia can't sustain itself agriculturally. It would end up hurting them more than you. In that case Russia would have no real choice other than a war of territorial conquest, would she? A war she knows she will lose? Doubtful. More likely the second option: Stop acting like assholes, calm everything down a notch, and open a dialog with the Western powers on reducing tensions and opening trade for mutual benefit. I may not be reading your mind properly, but are you saying that you think the Finns would win in a war against Russia? Or that you think that the Finns could count on NATO for support? If Russia invades Finland, the course would be set for a larger conflict between the West and Russia. At the minimum, the West would impose total sanctions on Russia, defeating the purpose of the conquest of Finland and putting Russia in an unsurvivable position. Russia's options would be expand the war or capitulate. Direct involvement is also quite possible. There is no scenario in which Russia comes out on top by invading Finland. It's an express train to Hell and they must know it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:36:47 PM EDT
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Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:38:22 PM EDT
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Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO. Sweden can't into NATO either. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:39:49 PM EDT
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Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO. Finland... The introverted, antisocial gun-nut of Europen nations... 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course, it didn't work out so well. The Finns were underestimated in the most historically epic sense, sans Thermopylae, and the Soviet Union lost 10 entire divisions in a period of 105 days in what would be known as...Talvisota, or Winter War. My grandfather fought in it, as well as the Continuation War. The biggest reason why the Russians did so poorly was the military purges that Stalin had placed on his military. Once they recovered from that, they became a well fighting machine. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:40:45 PM EDT
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Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO. Sweden can't into NATO either. Give Russia a little time to keep pissing them off and I bet that changes... |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweden can't into NATO either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO. Sweden can't into NATO either. I guess I always figured Finland was a like-minded people. Hate Russia, Communism and all that. And thus would be a natural choice to be a member of NATO. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:46:08 PM EDT
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I guess I always figured Finland was a like-minded people. Hate Russia, Communism and all that. And thus would be a natural choice to be a member of NATO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow. I guess I've lived under a rock. I thought Finland was already in NATO. Sweden can't into NATO either. I guess I always figured Finland was a like-minded people. Hate Russia, Communism and all that. And thus would be a natural choice to be a member of NATO. Finlandization |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:58:51 PM EDT
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One SAM battery staffed by 'Rebels' would fix that violation. 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:03:24 PM EDT
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And amateur hour continues at the White House. ....just like the kennedy admin |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:11:37 PM EDT
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....just like the kennedy admin Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And amateur hour continues at the White House. ....just like the kennedy admin Obama is a pussy. The Kennedy Administration made the Soviets back down. They thought Kennedy was a weak dick pushover, but it turns out they misjudged him. Obama is a weak dick pushover. |
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