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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:29:09 AM EDT
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I await the lock.
Stop the lock, can't stop the lock. Yeah, I say about page 9. We still have folks waking from their sofa beds in mom's basement and it's going to be awhile before they consume a few lil Debbie's cakes and drink two to three monster drinks to blow this thread up. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:32:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:32:56 AM EDT
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Since I don't have the facts in hand, I can't say with any certainty whether he is guilty or not. That what the trial is (supposedly) for.
That said, it doesn't look good. As far back as the beginning of the show, his interactions with his daughter were just creepy. Now that daughter has joined the fray, and folks in the know who have nothing to gain (unless there are some financial shenanigans going on in the background) are saying there is a ton of evidence. Something tells me it's worse than it sounds, and that this guy is just a smarmy as he came across on the show.... If he's innocent, I hope the false accusers get crucified. If he's guilty, I hope he gets worse. Either way, this is a horrible thing to happen to a family, and if really feel bad for the innocent and the victims. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:33:55 AM EDT
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Child pervs are never sent to general population, why doe's everybody forget this? It is rare that they are placed into GenPop. Will Hayden, if convicted, will likely be placed into segregation immediately. But if he fails to make bail will he will be in genpop till convicted? most jails have a seperate housing unit as well. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:36:47 AM EDT
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Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. exactly my first thought. pretty odd for all the victims to just come out at once especially if she says she thought she was the only one or something? 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:42:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: exactly my first thought. pretty odd for all the victims to just come out at once especially if she says she thought she was the only one or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. exactly my first thought. pretty odd for all the victims to just come out at once especially if she says she thought she was the only one or something? That's a pretty ugly hostile take over IMO. It's not uncommon for victims of sexual abuse to try and block it out or keep it a secret. I'm no expert but it seems that in most cases it takes another persons coming out before they feel the strength to do it themselves. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:44:05 AM EDT
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That's a pretty ugly hostile take over IMO. It's not uncommon for victims of sexual abuse to try and block it out or keep it a secret. I'm no expert but it seems that in most cases it takes another persons coming out before they feel the strength to do it themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. exactly my first thought. pretty odd for all the victims to just come out at once especially if she says she thought she was the only one or something? That's a pretty ugly hostile take over IMO. It's not uncommon for victims of sexual abuse to try and block it out or keep it a secret. I'm no expert but it seems that in most cases it takes another persons coming out before they feel the strength to do it themselves. thats very true. the way he talked to everyone was insane though on the few episodes i saw. just telling them to get out of his sight etc if they made a mistake. who knows... |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:46:50 AM EDT
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I certainly believe that the justice system must operate on "Innocent until proven guilty" however my personal opinion doesn't have to unless I'm selected for the jury.
I believe that he's guilty based on what Steph and Kris posted(assuming those are legit). It certainly appears that something terrible happened in the past in regards to Steph and that she believed that he had changed and was no longer the monster she had seen. It's clear from the show that she loves her father and had forgiven him for whatever he had done to her. And is now struggling mightily having to face what appears to be a repeat of this monstrous behavior. She may be dealing with some guilt as to not reporting him before and maybe feeling as if she's partially responsible for another child being victimized. Steph if you see this remember that you are a victim as well. Likely in more ways than just his acts. People like Will are not only monsters but master manipulators. For everyone's sake I hope that either he admits what he did, pleads guilty and receives LWOP. Or if it goes to trial it goes properly and everyone involved receives a fair shake in the outcome. Right now my thoughts and prayers are with the victims. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:48:03 AM EDT
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I knew there was something wrong with Will in one of the very first shows where he stepped out the door and fired a grenade up into the air near the high power transmission lines without even a second thought. If he'd have hit one of those power lines the electric company would have crucified him.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:48:11 AM EDT
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Stephanie coming out against him is definitely damning.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:48:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I certainly believe that the justice system must operate on "Innocent until proven guilty" however my personal opinion doesn't have to unless I'm selected for the jury. I believe that he's guilty based on what Steph and Kris posted(assuming those are legit). It certainly appears that something terrible happened in the past in regards to Steph and that she believed that he had changed and was no longer the monster she had seen. It's clear from the show that she loves her father and had forgiven him for whatever he had done to her. And is now struggling mightily having to face what appears to be a repeat of this monstrous behavior. She may be dealing with some guilt as to not reporting him before and maybe feeling as if she's partially responsible for another child being victimized. Steph if you see this remember that you are a victim as well. Likely in more ways than just his acts. People like Will are not only monsters but master manipulators. For everyone's sake I hope that either he admits what he did, pleads guilty and receives LWOP. Or if it goes to trial it goes properly and everyone involved receives a fair shake in the outcome. Right now my thoughts and prayers are with the victims. Do you have a link to Steph and Kris's posts? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:49:06 AM EDT
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Child pervs are never sent to general population, why doe's everybody forget this? It is rare that they are placed into GenPop. Will Hayden, if convicted, will likely be placed into segregation immediately. But if he fails to make bail will he will be in genpop till convicted? Unlikely, due to his celebrity status and the nature of his offense. Other factors such as available jail space also come into play. ETA: Non-convicted offenders are segregated from convicted offenders. I should have clarified---it's been a long day. 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:49:33 AM EDT
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Flem and Vince was wise to so long before this came out. Maybe they learned something and left while they still had reputations left? No. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:51:37 AM EDT
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I certainly believe that the justice system must operate on "Innocent until proven guilty" however my personal opinion doesn't have to unless I'm selected for the jury. I believe that he's guilty based on what Steph and Kris posted(assuming those are legit). It certainly appears that something terrible happened in the past in regards to Steph and that she believed that he had changed and was no longer the monster she had seen. It's clear from the show that she loves her father and had forgiven him for whatever he had done to her. And is now struggling mightily having to face what appears to be a repeat of this monstrous behavior. She may be dealing with some guilt as to not reporting him before and maybe feeling as if she's partially responsible for another child being victimized. Steph if you see this remember that you are a victim as well. Likely in more ways than just his acts. People like Will are not only monsters but master manipulators. For everyone's sake I hope that either he admits what he did, pleads guilty and receives LWOP. Or if it goes to trial it goes properly and everyone involved receives a fair shake in the outcome. Right now my thoughts and prayers are with the victims. Welcome. Interesting place to make a first post though. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:53:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welcome. Interesting place to make a first post though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I certainly believe that the justice system must operate on "Innocent until proven guilty" however my personal opinion doesn't have to unless I'm selected for the jury. I believe that he's guilty based on what Steph and Kris posted(assuming those are legit). It certainly appears that something terrible happened in the past in regards to Steph and that she believed that he had changed and was no longer the monster she had seen. It's clear from the show that she loves her father and had forgiven him for whatever he had done to her. And is now struggling mightily having to face what appears to be a repeat of this monstrous behavior. She may be dealing with some guilt as to not reporting him before and maybe feeling as if she's partially responsible for another child being victimized. Steph if you see this remember that you are a victim as well. Likely in more ways than just his acts. People like Will are not only monsters but master manipulators. For everyone's sake I hope that either he admits what he did, pleads guilty and receives LWOP. Or if it goes to trial it goes properly and everyone involved receives a fair shake in the outcome. Right now my thoughts and prayers are with the victims. Welcome. Interesting place to make a first post though. I didn't even notice that. I find it peculiar as well. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:03:18 PM EDT
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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free... May justice prevail. The truth? GD? GD can't handle the truth...nor is it willing to wait for the truth. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe they learned something and left while they still had reputations left? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Flem and Vince was wise to so long before this came out. Maybe they learned something and left while they still had reputations left? Flem and Vince left before the show could do damage to them. It was something you could see coming with all of the attacks against the gun industry that being in the spot light isn't going to end well.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:09:05 PM EDT
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Read the statements from others including Stephanie, Kris, and Flem. I highly doubt it is one big lie to get money out of him. When this first broke I believed that, I'm not buying it now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. Read the statements from others including Stephanie, Kris, and Flem. I highly doubt it is one big lie to get money out of him. When this first broke I believed that, I'm not buying it now. Where can one see these statements? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:11:02 PM EDT
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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free... May justice prevail. The truth? GD? GD can't handle the truth...nor is it willing to wait for the truth. Sadly, that is true. Thoughts and prayers to all the victims of this monster. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where can one see these statements? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. Read the statements from others including Stephanie, Kris, and Flem. I highly doubt it is one big lie to get money out of him. When this first broke I believed that, I'm not buying it now. Where can one see these statements? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:23:02 PM EDT
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Don't think he did it. I think they want him out of the company and this is the easiest way to do it. Read the statements from others including Stephanie, Kris, and Flem. I highly doubt it is one big lie to get money out of him. When this first broke I believed that, I'm not buying it now. Where can one see these statements? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1654559_Will_Hayden_Child_Molestation_Saga____Disturbing_Update__3.html Thank you! |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:27:59 PM EDT
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A terrible situation for all involved. I can only hope that the truth comes out in court, and those affected by this can receive the help they need. ^ |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:33:41 PM EDT
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If he is found guilty the left media will run with this and pro train firearm owners are like this.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:38:36 PM EDT
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If he is found guilty the left media will run with this and pro train firearm owners are like this. meh they already are. it's only feeds those already with them. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:39:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, after that I guess is when Kris found out about it, and went on his musical attempt as his way of dealing with it. She came out after the 12yo did, she said "I thought he was better". Sounds a little like Stockholm in a way. Red Jacket brand is dead, they need to close shop, and go their separate ways I think. Flem and Vince was wise to so long before this came out. Well I heard the penalty for this type of thing in LA is death if found guilty. Fucking animal. Supremes put the kibosh on that a few years back  .
ETA: any sentence that amounts to LWOP at Angola as a white chomo is likely as bad as death. The penalty for rape of a child under 13 is punishable by death or life imprisonment here in LA. I think most here will agree those are totally appropriate for the crime. SCOTUS tossed it out in '08, unfortunately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_v._Louisiana Well that's some bullshit. 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:03:46 PM EDT
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I had another account years ago but I don't remember which email address it was linked to. I tried to recover it via all the ones I use now. I'm assuming it's linked to an old email address I no longer have access to.
Someone on Fark referred to the earlier locked thread and I keep checking back as this site seemed to be finding information on the case faster than any other I have seen. I almost posted in the locked thread but it had already jumped ugly by then so I refrained. I built a lefty AR a number of years ago and this site was invaluable in that effort. That's how I originally found arfcom. The below explains why I haven't been active on many of the boards I used to be. Something similar to this case occurred in my family and the whole miserable legal nightmare has been playing out over the course of the past 2 years. Believe me the arrest is by no stretch of the imagination the end for anyone. Thankfully the physical abuse is over for the victims but the mental is far from over. They could be forced to face him and his defense attorney/ies in court should he decide to go to trial. Even if he doesn't it could still take a couple years to resolve just the legal proceedings. In our case it took over a year and a half from when he was arrested and charged before he plead to the charges and it will be over two years before he's sentenced and actually imprisoned. It's amazing all the legal games they can play to drag it out. In the mean time you get to hope ROs are enough to prevent someone out on bail from doing something terrible. All the while there has been incidents indicating his mental state is deteriorating. So needless to say I really feel for this family for what they have been through and what they are going to go through. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:05:49 PM EDT
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Let's just put it this way:
I would be surprised if he's found Not Guilty. I would NOT be surprised if he's found Guilty. Don't put me on the jury, either: I've thought he's- at minimum- an idiot, and someone far unworthy of the attention and money he's gained, long before this incident. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:08:32 PM EDT
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Posted by Vince This was posted by Vince two hours ago on Will's Facebook page, "Vince Knuckles I knew it was only a matter of time before some brainwashed idiot who watched too much TV and believes it all accused me of master minding this nefarious plot to ruin Will's character. First off this isn't TV. This is real life. I have a wife and four kids of my own to worry about. I've made more money since I left Red Jacket than I ever did before in my life. I was a happy camper and actually mending my relationship with Will when this happened. This isn't a joke. I've been in close contact with all the other cast members about this since it went down. Everyone knows the dude is guilty and they all know the only person responsible is the man in the mugshot. Keep believing it's a false allegation if you want but don't make false allegations against me. Get a life" And, " I hate to get involved in this back and form shit talk circus of those who only know the media story but I was told my name was on here. Here is the God's honest truth right here: there's so much solid evidence that i don't need 12 people to convince me he's guilty. Testimony from 2 victims and one unrelated and unbiased witness who has passed 2 polygraphs is more than enough. You guys will never see a trial. This carries a death sentence in Louisiana and he's gonna have to plead. If it goes to trial it will not be a grand affair. It will be two weeks of solid evidence followed by not a single defense witness unless he takes the stand and believe me.... The man can't give a solid TV one liner without 5 takes. I wanted so bad for the initial arrest to be bullshit. I knew it would ruin so much if it was true. But I won't defend a guilty man just because I wish it wasn't true." And finally, This is the only complaint I have about his statement: there is no good reason to trust in polygraphs. " I just have one more thing to add. To all the people asking Will questions on here and wanting to get a response..... I will say this the nicest way possible. They don't have Facebook in Louisiana jails and the fact that you expect a response frightens me that you may also vote. This is not a TV episode , it's real life, and Will won't be taking questions from fans anymore." |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:09:31 PM EDT
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A trial, quickly and fairly with a jury of his peers, and if found guilty, nail him to the fucking wall. Jury verdicts and the truth are sometimes two different things. ETA: I have the luxury of writing him off as guilty - because I am not the State. Even if a not guilty verdict is returned, that may not be enough to sway my beliefs on the matter - because we get to see a whole lot more than the jury does. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:20:55 PM EDT
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This thread is a game changa, this topic is a game changa, this IBTL is a game changa, that dude is a game changa, this game changa is a game changa....
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:25:10 PM EDT
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Will and his family are train wrecks on many different levels.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:27:24 PM EDT
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Let's just put it this way: I would be surprised if he's found Not Guilty. I would NOT be surprised if he's found Guilty. Don't put me on the jury, either: I've thought he's- at minimum- an idiot, and someone far unworthy of the attention and money he's gained, long before this incident. I've watched the show a few times and always thought he was a bit peculiar and his relationship with Steph was unusual. I'd never get put on a jury in a case like this once I told them about the case my family is dealing with. While I truly believe that every defendant deserves a fair trial and that they are "innocent until proven guilty" I can't promise I would be unbiased and certainly wouldn't want to become the basis for an appeal. That would only put the victims through more hell. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:29:14 PM EDT
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Will and his family are train wrecks on many different levels. It would now appear he was the locomotive in and the cause of that train wreck. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:30:29 PM EDT
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I bet he bails out and puts a bullet in his head...
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:34:57 PM EDT
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Any chance of getting Court TV to do live courtroom coverage if it goes to trial?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:42:27 PM EDT
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Any chance of getting Court TV to do live courtroom coverage if it goes to trial? I don't think court tv is even around anymore. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:44:07 PM EDT
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Will and his family are train wrecks on many different levels. It would now appear he was the locomotive in and the cause of that train wreck. As I said in the other thread, someone posted on here that Stephanie stabbed Will with a knife years ago 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:07:24 PM EDT
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It all makes a little more sense now, one of the episodes that sticks in my mind is when a coworker
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:08:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:38:52 PM EDT
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Where (who) is the ARCOMer that was actually in one an RJF episode?
Not a call out or anything, but this member (can't remember his username) said they were not nearly as bad IRL as they appeared on TV and that they were all good people. Just wondering if someone who actually knows them has any input. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:44:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where (who) is he ARCOMer that was actually in one an RJF episode? Not a call out or anything, but this member (can't remember his username) said they were not nearly as bad IRL as they appeared on TV and that they were all good people. Just wondering if someone who actually knows them has any input. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:45:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:49:41 PM EDT
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Posted by Vince This was posted by Vince two hours ago on Will's Facebook page, "Vince Knuckles I knew it was only a matter of time before some brainwashed idiot who watched too much TV and believes it all accused me of master minding this nefarious plot to ruin Will's character. First off this isn't TV. This is real life. I have a wife and four kids of my own to worry about. I've made more money since I left Red Jacket than I ever did before in my life. I was a happy camper and actually mending my relationship with Will when this happened. This isn't a joke. I've been in close contact with all the other cast members about this since it went down. Everyone knows the dude is guilty and they all know the only person responsible is the man in the mugshot. Keep believing it's a false allegation if you want but don't make false allegations against me. Get a life" And, " I hate to get involved in this back and form shit talk circus of those who only know the media story but I was told my name was on here. Here is the God's honest truth right here: there's so much solid evidence that i don't need 12 people to convince me he's guilty. Testimony from 2 victims and one unrelated and unbiased witness who has passed 2 polygraphs is more than enough. You guys will never see a trial. This carries a death sentence in Louisiana and he's gonna have to plead. If it goes to trial it will not be a grand affair. It will be two weeks of solid evidence followed by not a single defense witness unless he takes the stand and believe me.... The man can't give a solid TV one liner without 5 takes. I wanted so bad for the initial arrest to be bullshit. I knew it would ruin so much if it was true. But I won't defend a guilty man just because I wish it wasn't true." And finally, This is the only complaint I have about his statement: there is no good reason to trust in polygraphs. " I just have one more thing to add. To all the people asking Will questions on here and wanting to get a response..... I will say this the nicest way possible. They don't have Facebook in Louisiana jails and the fact that you expect a response frightens me that you may also vote. This is not a TV episode , it's real life, and Will won't be taking questions from fans anymore." Ohsnap.jpg 
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:49:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think court tv is even around anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any chance of getting Court TV to do live courtroom coverage if it goes to trial? I don't think court tv is even around anymore. They got bought by truTV years ago the guys who bring you Hard Core Pawn, all the Lawyers went to CNN & Fox etc. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:29:24 PM EDT
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Since I don't have the facts in hand, I can't say with any certainty whether he is guilty or not. That what the trial is (supposedly) for. That said, it doesn't look good. As far back as the beginning of the show, his interactions with his daughter were just creepy. Now that daughter has joined the fray, and folks in the know who have nothing to gain (unless there are some financial shenanigans going on in the background) are saying there is a ton of evidence. Something tells me it's worse than it sounds, and that this guy is just a smarmy as he came across on the show.... If he's innocent, I hope the false accusers get crucified. If he's guilty, I hope he gets worse. Either way, this is a horrible thing to happen to a family, and if really feel bad for the innocent and the victims. I feel the same way.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:29:56 PM EDT
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Guilty or Innocent the world is a better place now that they have cancelled that stupid show.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:40:04 PM EDT
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While I had strong disdain for the show, I always did like that Hayden had a business that gave him the opportunity to work with his daughter. My recollection is that Stephanie had some life-complicating issues, an out-of-wedlock child at a young age, if memory serves - but her father's business gave her stability and opportunity for growth.
Now that the molestation and rape accusations have come to light - it looks like it was her own father who screwed up the trajectory of her life. Meglamaniac? Is that the right word for somebody who does something so horrible to his daughter[s], and then drags her into the national spotlight thinking that none of this would ever see the light of day? |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 4:48:33 PM EDT
[#50]
Amazon pulled the shows they had on Prime as well.
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