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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Less gear/guns and more laws/rules/regs for citizens, more gear/guns/capability for .gov and criminals. We are headed for an absolute fucking nightmare scenario. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:10:42 PM EDT
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Outlawing "enhanced" body armor will serve to drive up the prices of non-"enhanced" body armor.
The banning of "enhanced" body armor will tend to make criminals try to acquire weapons that will defeat non-"enhanced" body armor, at least the dedicated and smart ones. Law of Unintended Consequences applies here. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:12:33 PM EDT
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I'll keep my armor and standard capacity 30rnd mags. Fuck everyone Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:14:45 PM EDT
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I keep my body armor on the same accident-prone boat as my guns. Never know what might happen.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:16:05 PM EDT
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So does it have republican support?
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:18:30 PM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet that if a civilian is wearing body armor, he's not exactly worried about breaking the law at the moment.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:19:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:20:31 PM EDT
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There is something fundamentally wrong when your government outlaws owning something that prevents you from being shot. Yes, that's a very unsettling thing especially when they're arming the hell out of law enforcement turning them into a domestic army. I don't think that bill will have any chance of going very far. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:23:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /thread Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll keep my armor and standard capacity 30rnd mags. Fuck everyone Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile /thread  |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Yes, that's a very unsettling thing especially when they're arming the hell out of law enforcement turning them into a domestic army. I don't think that bill will have any chance of going very far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is something fundamentally wrong when your government outlaws owning something that prevents you from being shot. Yes, that's a very unsettling thing especially when they're arming the hell out of law enforcement turning them into a domestic army. I don't think that bill will have any chance of going very far. If it does, I'm buying more. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:27:15 PM EDT
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I dont own body armor, it showed up here on its own and it stays here voluntarily.
Also helmets are body armor these days does that mean I would have to get rid of my helmets ? The main reason I oppose this type of law is it sets up a "class" of arms and implements that are police or mil only and eventually it will creep into calibers or weapon types --like in certain countries you can own guns but not in "military" calibers, or at some point they say that an M16 is a "military only" gun and ban civilian ownership that way. You know they wont leave it at just body armor, the regulations will morph over time.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:30:28 PM EDT
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Someone on 4channel's weapons/guns board created this pic--for wide dissemination on social media--in the event that this bill got traction http://i58.tinypic.com/erbvbd.png That has to someone from here trolling |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:35:57 PM EDT
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Someone on 4channel's weapons/guns board created this pic--for wide dissemination on social media--in the event that this bill got traction http://i58.tinypic.com/erbvbd.png That has to someone from here trolling That is typical 4chan trolling. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:36:12 PM EDT
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This should get a lot of media attention, it shows that Dems aren't just anti-"assault weapons" or anti gun, they are anti-anything that can stop their voting demographic from attacking you. They are anti body armor, they are anti-tazers,stun guns, pepper spray, knives, anything that could be used to defend yourself. And they have no problem attacking one weapon claiming you could use something less lethal only to ban the less lethal option as well. Look at the ordinances in Liberal cities and stated regarding that stuff, they've banned anything self-defense. They want you unarmed and they want the police to refrain from protecting themselves and others, what they want is people being defenseless fearful victims.  Not totally true, in a perfect world they would ban anyone from having anything that takes away from their monopoly of force, they just focus on the white middle class as they are usually law abiding and thus easier, less dangerous targets. The criminal element, by definition by being criminals are usually herder, more dangerous targets to disarm. The only way to change that algebra is to make sure if they come for you to sell yourself dearly. Once the white middle class becomes a hard target, and government bodies start to pile up than that shit will stop and the focus will shift to where it belongs, the criminal elements. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:41:37 PM EDT
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Herp de derp
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:44:19 PM EDT
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There is something fundamentally wrong when your government outlaws owning something that prevents you from being shot. This. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:45:15 PM EDT
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When it comes time that you really need it I don't think breaking the law will be a consideration.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:51:42 PM EDT
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Heres a question that needs asking: What if someone doesn't want a weapon but lives in a bad area and may be at risk for getting shot? There is nothing innately offensive about armor. It is strictly defensive. Someone who carries a lot of money, or has to walk in a bad area. Maybe someone working in a jewelry store. Soft armor is very concealable. Don't these people has as much right to live as the officers who claim to protect them? NO!!!!! They don't. Now bend over and pick up that damn can you civie. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 2:57:48 PM EDT
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I'll keep my armor and standard capacity 30rnd mags. Fuck everyone Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile FPNI |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:08:12 PM EDT
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Uh yeah, fuck that.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:11:00 PM EDT
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Roll Your Own.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:19:58 PM EDT
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Hey another body armor ban thread
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:25:50 PM EDT
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Less gear/guns and more laws/rules/regs for citizens, more gear/guns/capability for .gov and criminals. We are headed for an absolute fucking nightmare scenario. The line between the two is becoming increasingly blurry as well.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:39:23 PM EDT
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I'll keep my armor and standard capacity 30rnd mags. Fuck everyone Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeppers. They won't like us being felons. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:42:53 PM EDT
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But, but, but.... If St Swisher Sweet had been wearing body armor he could have been still a live today.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:45:01 PM EDT
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So what, exactly, is considered body armor? Anything that is considered "bullet proof"? Or just hard plates? Funny how the the way they could word it could ban steel pots and PASGT vests. lol |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:46:52 PM EDT
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Screw Body Armor .... I want an MRAP for those trips to the grocery store ! ! !
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:55:18 PM EDT
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Why do they want to diminish my capability to take care of my students? What about the children?
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:56:19 PM EDT
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Anybody who wants to call or write this guy can do so.
Washington, DC address: 1713 Longworth HOB Washington, DC 20515 T: (202) 225-2631 F: (202) 225-2699 Hours: 9am-6pm EST San Jose, CA address: 2001 Gateway Place Suite 670W San Jose, CA 95110 T: (408) 436-2720 F: (408) 436-2721 Hours: 9am-5pm PST Facebook: https://honda.house.gov/contact/email-me Twitter: https://honda.house.gov/contact/email-me Business Email: https://honda.house.gov/contact/email-me |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:14:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They make penguin-shaped body armor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah I need to invest in body armor and nightvision, I'm just too much of a cheap skate They make penguin-shaped body armor?  |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:22:19 PM EDT
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I'll keep my armor and standard capacity 30rnd mags. Fuck everyone Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile God damn right. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:28:50 PM EDT
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Now I have to take my armor boating too
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:29:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:31:49 PM EDT
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So does it have republican support? It wouldnt surprise me if it does. Three co-sponsors, all Dem. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:35:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:36:42 PM EDT
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I work in executive protection, they can go to hell if they think I am doing it with out body armor. I bought my own because the issued stuff they give us sucks. Also how do they plan to ban pieces of metal? It looks like they are only going after hard plates? It says type III or better, so IIA would be okay, or IIIA? Again they only thing they would essentially be banning is type 4 plates, since most type 3 plates are just pieces of hardened steel and would be almost impossible ban or prove what they are. Seems like a stupid law. I think they should pass a new law that states for every new law created they have to throw out 5 old ones. No, any body armor that has a level III rating or higher would be banned. Only IIA and lower would be legal. Any body armor no matter how it's made, would be banned if it is certiffied as level III or higher. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:39:16 PM EDT
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Time to ban getaway cars...uhh...I guess I mean all cars.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:43:02 PM EDT
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Midwest Quote HistoryWhy? I don't know which is why I'm asking. Also what is the difference between the cuts (eg. shooters cut)? |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:43:55 PM EDT
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No, any body armor that has a level III rating or higher would be banned. Only IIA and lower would be legal. Any body armor no matter how it's made, would be banned if it is certiffied as level III or higher. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work in executive protection, they can go to hell if they think I am doing it with out body armor. I bought my own because the issued stuff they give us sucks. Also how do they plan to ban pieces of metal? It looks like they are only going after hard plates? It says type III or better, so IIA would be okay, or IIIA? Again they only thing they would essentially be banning is type 4 plates, since most type 3 plates are just pieces of hardened steel and would be almost impossible ban or prove what they are. Seems like a stupid law. I think they should pass a new law that states for every new law created they have to throw out 5 old ones. No, any body armor that has a level III rating or higher would be banned. Only IIA and lower would be legal. Any body armor no matter how it's made, would be banned if it is certiffied as level III or higher. So, certification is the issue? A person could still buy and possess Midwest Guardian plates manufactured in the same way as always but not "certified" and they'd be legal? As a buyer you'd just have to go to a trusted, established manufactuer and buy their "unrated" product based on their rep as opposed to them actually getting their NIJ rating. Even if this passes, which it won't, it'll have as much practical teeth as the AWB. Manufacturers will find ways around it. And (if it passes, which it won't) there will be NO reduction in crime as a result of it. It will not get renewed. And when it expires the pent-up demand (much of it created by the prohibition) will result in an explosion of body armor sales. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:54:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:56:45 PM EDT
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There is something fundamentally wrong when your government outlaws owning something that prevents you from being shot. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:03:42 PM EDT
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So, certification is the issue? A person could still buy and possess Midwest Guardian plates manufactured in the same way as always but not "certified" and they'd be legal? As a buyer you'd just have to go to a trusted, established manufactuer and buy their "unrated" product based on their rep as opposed to them actually getting their NIJ rating. Even if this passes, which it won't, it'll have as much practical teeth as the AWB. Manufacturers will find ways around it. And (if it passes, which it won't) there will be NO reduction in crime as a result of it. It will not get renewed. And when it expires the pent-up demand (much of it created by the prohibition) will result in an explosion of body armor sales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I work in executive protection, they can go to hell if they think I am doing it with out body armor. I bought my own because the issued stuff they give us sucks. Also how do they plan to ban pieces of metal? It looks like they are only going after hard plates? It says type III or better, so IIA would be okay, or IIIA? Again they only thing they would essentially be banning is type 4 plates, since most type 3 plates are just pieces of hardened steel and would be almost impossible ban or prove what they are. Seems like a stupid law. I think they should pass a new law that states for every new law created they have to throw out 5 old ones. No, any body armor that has a level III rating or higher would be banned. Only IIA and lower would be legal. Any body armor no matter how it's made, would be banned if it is certiffied as level III or higher. So, certification is the issue? A person could still buy and possess Midwest Guardian plates manufactured in the same way as always but not "certified" and they'd be legal? As a buyer you'd just have to go to a trusted, established manufactuer and buy their "unrated" product based on their rep as opposed to them actually getting their NIJ rating. Even if this passes, which it won't, it'll have as much practical teeth as the AWB. Manufacturers will find ways around it. And (if it passes, which it won't) there will be NO reduction in crime as a result of it. It will not get renewed. And when it expires the pent-up demand (much of it created by the prohibition) will result in an explosion of body armor sales. Sorry, when I said certified, I meant rated at level III or higher. If you're found to have body armor, they would arrest you and take the body armor to get tested, if it couldn't be determined by looking at it that it was rated lower than level III. If the armor tested at a level IIA or lower, they would let you go and give you back your armor. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:05:39 PM EDT
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What did you guys think would happen when you constantly railed on about the militarization of police? Did you really think taking it from the police would mean you would get to keep it too?
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:14:34 PM EDT
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What did you guys think would happen when you constantly railed on about the militarization of police? Did you really think taking it from the police would mean you would get to keep it too? Liberals will try to pass laws like this regardless of what the police have, or don't have. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:20:20 PM EDT
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All my plates came from...wait for it...cops!
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:17:52 PM EDT
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It's not a bulletproof vest-it's a cardio workout vest with pockets for plate weights.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:35:47 PM EDT
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Prison? For how long? As Police Get More Militarized, Bill In Congress Would Make Owning Body Armor Punishable By Up To 10 Years In Prisonfrom the only-the-police-can-be-militarized deptWe've been writing an awful lot lately about the militarization of police, but apparently some in Congress want to make sure that the American public can't protect themselves from a militarized police. Rep. Mike Honda (currently facing a reasonably strong challenger for election this fall) has introduced a bizarre bill that would make it a crime for civilians to buy or own body armor. The bill HR 5344 is unlikely to go anywhere, but violating the bill, if it did become law, would be punishable with up to ten years in prison. Yes, TEN years. For merely owning body armor.Honda claims that the bill is designed to stop "armored assailants" whom he claims are "a trend" in recent years. Perhaps there wouldn't be so much armor floating around out there if we weren't distributing it to so many civilian police forces... Not surprisingly, the very same police who have been getting much of this armor are very much in favor of making sure no one else gets it ---edit--- No wonder you didn't leave a link to techderp.com and sniped it. You lose a lot of credibility posting that liberal claptrap on a gun forum except with the dem trolls and libertarians. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:30:59 PM EDT
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I guess I'm not "professional enough" to own armor now that I've turned in my badge.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:28:38 AM EDT
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fpni
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:33:44 AM EDT
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so whats a good source for body armor in case this thing starts to pick up steam?
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