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I absolutely support the destruction of ISIS and terrorists alike, that are currently murdering people in Iraq and around the region. That, and Obama has no balls. View Quote The "kill em all" crowd won't have the balls to say it to your face. |
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Forgive me if what I write is offensive, it's certainly not intended to be. But, this very thread already contains what most people would say is their "problem" with Muslim/Islam/Koran. You see, we all very much want to believe that there are 2 general factions of practicing Muslims....those that are peaceful and those that are militant. The problem, at least as I see it.....is that the very religion & book that you practice and hold dear, says that it's ok to lie to non Muslims to further your goals/religion and, that your religion is the supreme religion and it's followers must fight those that don't believe in order to elevate your religion to that status (world domination). VERY few Muslims speak out about the atrocities perpetrated by their religious zealots on a daily basis....and we have no way of telling if the ones that do are sincere since your holy book says it's ok to lie to is non-believers. Can you see the problem here? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote |
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My only problem with the Muslim religion that I have seen so far (other than the extremists) is why do you guys make me take my boots off when I go into one of your churches to fix your lights? You do know that the steps on my extension ladder tear my feet up without my boots on right.
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The ignorance runs deep with some of you people.
OP, do you go back to visit very often? My buddy from work says that the fishing in parts of Bosnia is amazing, and some of the scenery in the pictures he's shown me is amazing. The dollar converts favorably, and I'm told that with a native speaker with me I only stand a small chance of getting robbed or having to bribe the police since I can probably pass for Bosnian if I get a tan and don't dress like an American. I'd venture to guess that it's much safer to vacation in Bosnia than it is in much of Mexico. |
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I absolutely support the destruction of ISIS and terrorists alike, that are currently murdering people in Iraq and around the region. That, and Obama has no balls. Sweet. Let's see your ARs! My Gallery Just some of what I have. Good enough? You have too many icky guns You must send some to me. |
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The "kill em all" crowd won't have the balls to say it to your face. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I absolutely support the destruction of ISIS and terrorists alike, that are currently murdering people in Iraq and around the region. That, and Obama has no balls. The "kill em all" crowd won't have the balls to say it to your face. Sounds like a Pokémon game. I am not worried about these armchair generals. Then again, most people have not been shot at, multiple times, by multiple shooters, put in a concentration camp, nearly killed from Mortars, escaped from War, went to another country without any $$, got a job within 2 months, never took any food stamps or public assistance, learned a foreign language in a year, and still able to function as a productive member of the society, while taking a lot of crap from people like on these forums. I'm OK with it. |
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First of all, judging by your response, you seem ignorant. Second, what "hard" question do you have? I've done "hard" questions here before when I joined the site. Look it up. Ask me anything directly. Don't beat around the bush. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Op starts a thread and then doesn't answer the hard questions posed to him. His religion commands him to lie to us. I guess nobody else has a problem with this. Typical. First of all, judging by your response, you seem ignorant. Second, what "hard" question do you have? I've done "hard" questions here before when I joined the site. Look it up. Ask me anything directly. Don't beat around the bush. He doesn't realize that his narrow minded world view contributes to why everyone thinks Americans are stupid. |
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The shitty thing is that even if OP isn't a lone voice in the wilderness, he'll get tarred with the same brush as the bad ones unless public opinion is modified. We gun owners think we look bad every time some nutjob rampages, but it's nothing to how peaceful Muslims get painted when a Brit Muslim cuts off an American's head. OP is in the unfortunate position of needing to explain that which he abhors or risk being accused by association. At the minimum he's stuck being the guy fighting uphill against "his own"people. That sucks, cause he seems like a good guy. It's enough to make ya think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Great OP, unfortunately you are the lone voice in the wilderness. The shitty thing is that even if OP isn't a lone voice in the wilderness, he'll get tarred with the same brush as the bad ones unless public opinion is modified. We gun owners think we look bad every time some nutjob rampages, but it's nothing to how peaceful Muslims get painted when a Brit Muslim cuts off an American's head. OP is in the unfortunate position of needing to explain that which he abhors or risk being accused by association. At the minimum he's stuck being the guy fighting uphill against "his own"people. That sucks, cause he seems like a good guy. It's enough to make ya think. Sorry, I am not going to change my "public opinion" about Islam, while a sizable portion of Muslim youth world-wide are watching the events unfold in Iraq / Syria and being indifferent or sympathetic towards it. We even have are own massive parades in cities like Chicago where our own youth support Hamas and protest against Israel protecting itself against Palestine. Meanwhile, regardless of world events, the good folks (like OP) will remain ever faithful to Islam. This unfortunately leaves me with very little faith in the future of our civilization. The West is too soft to do what is necessary to ensure it's future survival, and the decent Muslims of the world (one sixth of the planet's population) unwittingly provide protection and shelter for radicals living among them. |
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You seem okay in my book. View Quote No doubt he is but a muslim must always side with Muslims when the rubber meets the road. Problem is. Islam and freedom are incompatible. Islam is a political religion and it's practitioners are forced to either ignore it's commandments or embrace tyranny |
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Forgive me if what I write is offensive, it's certainly not intended to be. But, this very thread already contains what most people would say is their "problem" with Muslim/Islam/Koran. You see, we all very much want to believe that there are 2 general factions of practicing Muslims....those that are peaceful and those that are militant. The problem, at least as I see it.....is that the very religion & book that you practice and hold dear, says that it's ok to lie to non Muslims to further your goals/religion and, that your religion is the supreme religion and it's followers must fight those that don't believe in order to elevate your religion to that status (world domination). VERY few Muslims speak out about the atrocities perpetrated by their religious zealots on a daily basis....and we have no way of telling if the ones that do are sincere since your holy book says it's ok to lie to is non-believers. Can you see the problem here? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote +2 Mr. Bmw20. |
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Alot of people competing for the dumbest comment
The pics posted make me want to check out Balkan food |
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I'm sure any member of ISIS would explain it to you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. I'm sure any member of ISIS would explain it to you. So OP is ISIS? |
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some people believe that wars are actually based on religion View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. some people believe that wars are actually based on religion Tell that to the religious zealots wearing explosive vests who kill themselves along with others. Or the Saudis on the planes that took down the WTC. Whether or not the leaders believe it, most of those pulling the trigger do. |
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. I'm sure any member of ISIS would explain it to you. I missed the part where he said he supported isis. |
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. I'm sure any member of ISIS would explain it to you. So OP is ISIS? Fuck I have Irish in me. Am I IRA? |
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Tell that to the religious zealots wearing explosive vests who kill themselves along with others. Or the Saudis on the planes that took down the WTC. Whether or not the leaders believe it, most of those pulling the trigger do. View Quote I'll grant you that islamic people are generally weaponized much more readily than followers of other religions, but to say that they are all enemies simply because they identify with a religious group is silly. an enemy is anyone who would take up arms against me, it doesn't matter why |
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. I realize you think that was an absurd, off the wall comment. However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years Rag me all you want, it won't change my mind one iota. You're some what young and I predict an you'll see attack on the Home Land that will pale in comparison to 9-11 during your lifetime. |
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I absolutely support the destruction of ISIS and terrorists alike, that are currently murdering people in Iraq and around the region. That, and Obama has no balls. Sweet. Let's see your ARs! My Gallery Just some of what I have. Good enough? Pretty impressive. What kind of camera did you use to take those pictures, and was any post-processing done? |
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I'm not gonna read through all 7 pages, so sorry if this has been asked.
How difficult is it to get an AR in Bosnia? I noticed your DD--do they import them there? |
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Albania has sent its armed forces to both Iraq and Afghanistan. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sorry OP. I don't see the throngs of peaceful, moderate Muslims standing up against the fanatics. Don't see any protest marches. Don't see many who will pubilcally even voice discontent about Islamic terrorists. I'll believe it when they volunteer to stand on the wall and fucking fight. Albania has sent its armed forces to both Iraq and Afghanistan. True, but most religious people in Albania are Christian, and the "Muslims" are secular and not very religious. |
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However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years anyone who identifies with an established or proposed islamic state is an enemy So OP isn't an enemy? I'm so confused. |
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However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years anyone who identifies with an established or proposed islamic state is an enemy So OP isn't an enemy? I'm so confused. well he said he supports destruction of the islamic state, so I think he aight we just need to get him smoking, drinking, and eating delicious swine to be 100% g2g |
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I wish it was otherwise but how can you ignore people of your own faith (Christians!) being slaughtered and ignored by the news media? I do not see Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim theocracy condeming this. I hear them condemning Israel and America, not the Muslim jihadists. Those aren't roses Hamas is launching into Israel. And it wasn't Buddhists who took down the World Trade Center. You had better wake up. It is a religious war and solely caused by Muslims. And as history has proven again and again, battle lines are determined by race and religion, not personal wishes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We are in a religious war started by the Muslims and unacknowledged by Christianity. In the final conclusion, the majority of Muslims will stand with the Muslim faith, no matter how radical the war faction is. Until the Muslim faith itself eliminates the radical war faction, then I must consider all Muslims a potential enemy. They simply can't be trusted. Well, alrighty then. Aren't you a little ray of sunshine? I wish it was otherwise but how can you ignore people of your own faith (Christians!) being slaughtered and ignored by the news media? I do not see Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim theocracy condeming this. I hear them condemning Israel and America, not the Muslim jihadists. Those aren't roses Hamas is launching into Israel. And it wasn't Buddhists who took down the World Trade Center. You had better wake up. It is a religious war and solely caused by Muslims. And as history has proven again and again, battle lines are determined by race and religion, not personal wishes. If you don't see it, it's because you're not looking for it. You expect the media to cover Muslims condemning radicals 24/7 so you can maybe catch a glimpse of it in between America Idol and your local news? If you want to see condemnations, google for it. It's not hard. There are plenty. Of course, then you and others will just dismiss the condemnations as lying, so I don't even know why they bother in the first place. Muslim Leaders Have Roundly Denounced Islamic State, But Conservative Media Won't Tell You That
August 21, 2014 2:04 PM EDT MICHELLE LEUNG & ELLIE SANDMEYER Conservative media figures have wrongly accused Muslim groups and leaders of failing to denounce the violent acts of the terrorist group the Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL), despite the fact that numerous Muslim religious authorities, advocacy groups, and Imams have come together to denounce the Islamic State's un-Islamic crimes against humanity. Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And "A Danger To Islam." Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar's Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt's highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: "[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism." [The Daily Star, 8/13/14] Arab League: "Strongly Denounced" The "Crimes Against Humanity" Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as "crimes against humanity," demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he "strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis." [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14] Turkey's Top Cleric: Islamic State's Threats Are "Hugely Damaging," "Truly Awful." Turkey's highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State's declaration of a "caliphate" and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters: "Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever," Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s. "Since the caliphate was abolished ... there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective." Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging. "The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization," he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14] CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As "Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant." In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group "un-Islamic and morally repugnant," noted that the Islamic State's "human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented," and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as "both un-Islamic and morally repugnant" on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley "gruesome and barbaric": We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts. The Geneva Conventions, the Quran - Islam's revealed text - and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions. We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones. [Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14] The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: "Violence Has No Place In Religion." The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State's actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: "Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction." [The Independent, 7/11/14] The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State's Actions "Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State "for its attacks on Iraq's religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship." ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, "ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, 'Let there be no compulsion in religion' (Surat al-Baqara 2:256)," adding, "Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches." [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14] 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An "Illegitimate, Vicious Group." As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to "come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way." [Huffington Post, 7/12/14; YouTube, 7/11/14] Saudi Arabia's Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The "Number One Enemy Of Islam." On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia's grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country's top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the "number one enemy of Islam": Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims. [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14] Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For "Stand Against Extremism." On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning "the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)." MPAC urged "all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism" and offered condolences to Foley's family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working "to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve." [Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14] http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/21/muslim-leaders-have-roundly-denounced-islamic-s/200498 Egypt's Grand Mufti: IS is Damaging Islam
Egypt's top religious authority condemns the Islamic State, says it is a corrupt, extremist organization that is damaging Islam. By Arutz Sheva Staff First Publish: 8/13/2014, 1:15 AM Egypt's top religious authority on Tuesday condemned the armed group Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), which has taken over parts of Iraq and Syria and is now calling itself the Islamic State (IS). According to Reuters, Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam described the group as a corrupt, extremist organization that is damaging Islam. “An extremist and bloody group such as this poses a danger to Islam and Muslims, tarnishing its image as well as shedding blood and spreading corruption,” said Allam, Egypt's most influential Muslim cleric, was quoted by the state news agency MENA as having reported. The comments came as the Vatican called on Muslim religious leaders to take a “clear and courageous stance” and condemn “unspeakable criminal acts” by IS. The grand mufti's view represents the opinion of Al Azhar, one of the world's oldest seats of Muslim learning, which influences the opinions of Muslims worldwide. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183990#.U_6jFEKCOSN |
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I admit, my opinion of Muslims and Islam in general is at an all time low right now. But you are alright in my book. I really hope that people like you are really a silent majority of Muslims that will become much more vocal in the future and turn these extremists into outcasts wormfood. I know there's gotta be more Muslims who disapprove of groups like ISIS than is readily apparent. Yet most don't speak out. Why is this? Is it fear? Afraid of being branded a "bad Muslim" by the more extreme elements? They speak out. The American media is just not listening, and Americans are too lazy to learn what the media won't show them. |
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The wars surrounding the breakup of Yugoslavia were almost entirely devoid of religious motivations. To be sure, one of the after effects of the crumbling Ottoman empire was the rise of nationalism centered around the easy focus of religious identity, where to be orthodox meant you were greek or serb, if you were muslim you were “turk” (remove kebab lol) and these ideas die hard and can still be used as a rallying cry from the “leadership”. But when you have Serbia attacking the catholic Croat and Slovenes, fighting muslim Bosnia and Kosova, with Macedonia and even Montenegro choosing to walk away from the federation, you can see that the common denominator was Serbian aggression under the toxic leadership of Milosevic trying to hold on to an artificial construct whose time had passed, and of which Serbia had received the lion’s share of the benefits. In that setting, old ethnic and religious hatred play out their minor role but are not the major drivers of conflict. Just my perspective as a Shqiptar. I understand other people may feel about it differently. And, almost by definition, isn't a muslim Serb, a Bosnian? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So that little fracas back in the late 90's in Bosnia had nothing to do with religion? Got it. It really had more to do with Serbs hating everyone around them than religion per se. I work with and like my Serb partner (cop) who happens to be Muslim. He tells a different story. The wars surrounding the breakup of Yugoslavia were almost entirely devoid of religious motivations. To be sure, one of the after effects of the crumbling Ottoman empire was the rise of nationalism centered around the easy focus of religious identity, where to be orthodox meant you were greek or serb, if you were muslim you were “turk” (remove kebab lol) and these ideas die hard and can still be used as a rallying cry from the “leadership”. But when you have Serbia attacking the catholic Croat and Slovenes, fighting muslim Bosnia and Kosova, with Macedonia and even Montenegro choosing to walk away from the federation, you can see that the common denominator was Serbian aggression under the toxic leadership of Milosevic trying to hold on to an artificial construct whose time had passed, and of which Serbia had received the lion’s share of the benefits. In that setting, old ethnic and religious hatred play out their minor role but are not the major drivers of conflict. Just my perspective as a Shqiptar. I understand other people may feel about it differently. And, almost by definition, isn't a muslim Serb, a Bosnian? Aye, that's the way it is (was). |
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However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years anyone who identifies with an established or proposed islamic state is an enemy Perhaps Mr, Murdock will will chime in since Sub's off line. Talking about hard core shit. |
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Very simple. You are my enemy. Yup, no other way around it. I really don't understand this. Probably something to do with "Most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim". If I had a Muslim for a neighbor, I'd tend to keep an eye on him. That would never happen with a neighbor who was christian or Hindu or Jewish or whatever else. Muslim's are getting a bad rep no doubt, but who brought that on? Why don't they do as the OP does and come out and say something or even better DO something? Its their culture, their Middle East, why do they ignore what is going on? A billion Muslims can't take care of their own and prove its the ROP. Until they themselves fix it from the inside, it is hopeless. |
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However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years anyone who identifies with an established or proposed islamic state is an enemy Perhaps Mr, Murdock will will chime in since Sub's off line. Talking about hard core shit. I'm just trying to figure out how OP is the enemy, perhaps you can explain it to us King Richard. 'MERICA |
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However, I truly believe this war between Islam and Western Society, will go on for another thousand years anyone who identifies with an established or proposed islamic state is an enemy Perhaps Mr, Murdock will will chime in since Sub's off line. Talking about hard core shit. I'm just trying to figure out how OP is the enemy. Perhaps you can explain it to us King Richard. 'MERICA Let's discuss how the Islam v. Western Conflict will never end. As far as the OP goes, I've said my piece, |
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Give me your opinion how the coming Islam v. Western Civilization's war can be avoided Please? And I've said my piece on the OP. And by the way, selectively to failing to edit my post without the courtesy of a , < snip > is bad form, and I notice your good at it when quoting me. |
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