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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:20:00 PM EDT
I started thinking about the off brand handguns. S&W, Colt, Glock, Beretta, Sig, Walther, FN, HK, Ruger, and dare I say Taurus are common mainstream brands in the handgun market. But I wonder if anyone owns an off brand handgun.
Guns like the following. Tanfoglio Witness Series  Rock Island Armory Model 200  Zastava EZ Series  Bersa Thunder Series  EAA's Windicator - Weihrauch Series  CzechPoint USA Alfa Proj Series  How is the quality of these guns? Worth a damn or a waste of time and money? Edit Springfield and the XD line isn't an Off Brand Gun. RIA 1911s aren't either but their revolver sure is.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:22:32 PM EDT
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My Rock Island 1911 is the closest I have to an "Off Brand", and its been 100% so far.
...I mean, Dear Leader, why do you seek calibers other than the glorious .40?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:23:55 PM EDT
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XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:24:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall?  |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:24:29 PM EDT
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My Rock Island 1911 is the closest I have to an "Off Brand", and its been 100% so far. ...I mean, Dear Leader, why do you seek calibers other than the glorious .40?
Yep. My RIA 1911 Tac has been 100% so far as well. best sub $500 gun I have bought and its a 1911. Cant hate that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:24:47 PM EDT
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A friend has a Lionheart and swears by it. I have no firsthand experience so I'll keep my mouth shut. My 19 works just fine.
ETA: And I don't think I would call Bersa an off-brand gun. They are a dime a dozen around here. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:25:23 PM EDT
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I have a Masterpiece Arms MPA30T
Always wanted a gangsta gun and it was $100. And threaded 1/2x28
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:25:43 PM EDT
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XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Have to disagree with you on that one. My XD sub compact has been a damned fine handgun. Never a problem. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:25:59 PM EDT
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I have a first gen SKYY/SCCY CPX-1. I'd trade it for a hipoint in a heartbeat.
It has broke everything at least once. 
Lifetime Warranty though. 
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:26:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Rock Island 1911 is the closest I have to an "Off Brand", and its been 100% so far. ...I mean, Dear Leader, why do you seek calibers other than the glorious .40? I don't.... just curious how the market is Comrade.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:26:55 PM EDT
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I had a accurate and reliable Stoger Cougar, but I guess that would be sub-brand. I've considered Witness before, but couldn't convince myself.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend has a Lionheart and swears by it. I have no firsthand experience so I'll keep my mouth shut. My 19 works just fine. ETA: And I don't think I would call Bersa an off-brand gun. They are a dime a dozen around here. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:28:40 PM EDT
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I bought a 9mm RIA 1911 today. Should be here next week.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have to disagree with you on that one. My XD sub compact has been a damned fine handgun. Never a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Have to disagree with you on that one. My XD sub compact has been a damned fine handgun. Never a problem. Their XD's probably are fine, my cousin has one and he likes it. I'm just bitter over the XDS still and the way they treated me. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:31:05 PM EDT
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I wouldn't call lionheart an off brand. They're just not really well known, but they make south korea's side arm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A friend has a Lionheart and swears by it. I have no firsthand experience so I'll keep my mouth shut. My 19 works just fine.
ETA: And I don't think I would call Bersa an off-brand gun. They are a dime a dozen around here. I've never even seen one in person before 
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:32:05 PM EDT
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All the off brand revolvers look like shit.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:32:20 PM EDT
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Not so much the polymer Witness that you posted, but Tangfolio makes some damned nice guns. I'm going to add a Witness Match to the safe someday.
I also have a Bersa Thunder in .380 (their little PPK clone) that has been a good shooter. I've even carried it, but only when I'm in a Bond mood. ETA: The Match version of the Tanfo: 
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:33:27 PM EDT
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Springfield 1911 on back seat of truck. I just got it.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:35:47 PM EDT
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If that new Russian wonder pistol ever makes it to the market I might be interested in one of those. Otherwise I don't have any interest in any "off brand" guns. I want a Walther PPS, but I dunno if you could call Walther "off brand."
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:38:31 PM EDT
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I know a guy who bought a Canik tp9 against my advise.
That thing is truly a piece of shit. I think the "TP" stands for toilet paper. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:40:15 PM EDT
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Canik55 S-120.
CZ-75B full size copy. Very well made. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:40:36 PM EDT
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XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Mine XDM is a very accurate shooter and I think it is a very good value for the price. Prefer it to my Glock 17 and 19. Not exactly an off-brand, but one that doesn't get enough attention? CZ. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:44:55 PM EDT
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I can't even bring myself to purchase a Taurus.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:58:50 PM EDT
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If that new Russian wonder pistol ever makes it to the market I might be interested in one of those. Otherwise I don't have any interest in any "off brand" guns. I want a Walther PPS, but I dunno if you could call Walther "off brand." I would hesitate to call Walther Arms, maker of the P-38, PP, PPK, P99, PPS, unicorn/gamer/grail gun WA2000, etc. "off brand." They don't have current highest market share, but some of their guns are iconic. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:01:04 PM EDT
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OP, you mean like a Steyr?
Yeah I own one. Quality is tops. I would buy another with a quickness. 
BGC by zweitakt250, on Flickr |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:02:08 PM EDT
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I would hesitate to call Walther Arms, maker of the P-38, PP, PPK, P99, PPS, unicorn/gamer/grail gun WA2000, etc. "off brand." They don't have current highest market share, but some of their guns are iconic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If that new Russian wonder pistol ever makes it to the market I might be interested in one of those. Otherwise I don't have any interest in any "off brand" guns. I want a Walther PPS, but I dunno if you could call Walther "off brand." I would hesitate to call Walther Arms, maker of the P-38, PP, PPK, P99, PPS, unicorn/gamer/grail gun WA2000, etc. "off brand." They don't have current highest market share, but some of their guns are iconic. Walther is huge. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Ar-24.
Had to have one. Pretty much a Cank with an Armalite roll mark. Should have BOUGHT a Canik and taped two $100 bills to it. 
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:04:11 PM EDT
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My XDS was god awful. Granted, that is not an XD technically, but after my experience with SA, I won't ever buy from them again in my lifetime. ETA: Whoops, Fixed that slip up Their XD's probably are fine, my cousin has one and he likes it. I'm just bitter over not being able to shoot the XDS still and the way they laughed at me for limpwristing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Have to disagree with you on that one. My XD sub compact has been a damned fine handgun. Never a problem. Their XD's probably are fine, my cousin has one and he likes it. I'm just bitter over not being able to shoot the XDS still and the way they laughed at me for limpwristing. FIFY |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:08:11 PM EDT
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I have a RIA 1911 that I like, as well as two Tristar (canik55) CZ clones that are great.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:20:09 PM EDT
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Love my Tanfoglio. It's a weird European doublestack 7.65 Browning about the size and general shape as a Beretta Cheetah.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:24:11 PM EDT
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Para 14.45 - It's no Wilson, but I've been happy with it.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:31:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine XDM is a very accurate shooter and I think it is a very good value for the price. Prefer it to my Glock 17 and 19. Not exactly an off-brand, but one that doesn't get enough attention? CZ. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Mine XDM is a very accurate shooter and I think it is a very good value for the price. Prefer it to my Glock 17 and 19. Not exactly an off-brand, but one that doesn't get enough attention? CZ. CZ isn't an off brand... they are very well made products. Just too many main brand companies to list.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:33:21 PM EDT
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Ar-24. Had to have one. Pretty much a Cank with an Armalite roll mark. Should have BOUGHT a Canik and taped two $100 bills to it. I used to see ads for those in gun rags. Seemed like pretty cool, also like that they claimed to have forged steel (not sure it would make any difference, but 1911 guys seem to prefer it.) |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:34:00 PM EDT
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CZ isn't an off brand... they are very well made products. Just too many main brand companies to list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Mine XDM is a very accurate shooter and I think it is a very good value for the price. Prefer it to my Glock 17 and 19. Not exactly an off-brand, but one that doesn't get enough attention? CZ. CZ isn't an off brand... they are very well made products. Just too many main brand companies to list. Yeah I believe CZ is one of the more carried service pistols in the world. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:39:46 PM EDT
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I've got an off-brand 1911...it's called a Nighthawk.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: XD wasn't mentioned in either category, where does it fall? Have to disagree with you on that one. My XD sub compact has been a damned fine handgun. Never a problem. Their XD's probably are fine, my cousin has one and he likes it. I'm just bitter over not being able to shoot the XDS still and the way they laughed at me for limpwristing. FIFY |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:56:18 PM EDT
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Guns like the following. Tanfoglio Witness Series Me too. Quoted:
CZ isn't an off brand... they are very well made products. Just too many main brand companies to list. I have 3 CZs on the list of guns to buy when I get out of NY. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:02:06 PM EDT
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i hate cheap shit guns, that being said i took a bersa .380 (walther pp looking gun)
on trade. i had about 75 bucks in it, it was a decent gun. i would by it again for less than 200 bucks, i gave that pistol to my stepfather. if that pistol was typical of bersa quality i would have no problem recommending them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:08:40 PM EDT
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I bought a canik shark. I liked it so much that I went back and bought the canik stingray. I really like these two
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:49:33 PM EDT
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Bersa Thunder 9 HC Pro!!!!!!!!! I love my little Ghetto Blaster©
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i hate cheap shit guns, that being said i took a bersa .380 (walther pp looking gun) on trade. i had about 75 bucks in it, it was a decent gun. i would by it again for less than 200 bucks, i gave that pistol to my stepfather. if that pistol was typical of bersa quality i would have no problem recommending them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:54:03 PM EDT
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I bought a canik shark. I liked it so much that I went back and bought the canik stingray. I really like these two
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:55:01 PM EDT
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FEG PKJ-9HP I'll buy any quality example I come across for a good deal. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:55:49 PM EDT
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I have good luck with the Witness polymer series in .45 and .38 Super. I think they see a lot of use as competition guns in other countries.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:58:37 PM EDT
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I think they see a lot of use as competition guns in other countries. Yes, they do. And also some in this country. I certainly wouldn't consider Tanfo to really be an "off-brand". My latest is out at Canyon Creek getting turned into an Open gun. (But not full of holes like the Gold Team - had one before, will never again.) |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:58:54 PM EDT
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Not so much the polymer Witness that you posted, but Tangfolio makes some damned nice guns. I'm going to add a Witness Match to the safe someday. I also have a Bersa Thunder in .380 (their little PPK clone) that has been a good shooter. I've even carried it, but only when I'm in a Bond mood. ETA: The Match version of the Tanfo: http://mysite.verizon.net/reso3b4u/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eaamatch.jpg That's a nice looking pistol. Might have to pick one up. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:13:58 PM EDT
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I don't currently own any off brand, but I have in the past.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:19:05 PM EDT
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How about a Megastar! 3 pounds empty.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:29:26 PM EDT
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Tanfoglio has been in the biz for years cranking out decent quality firearms
I only have one now. little pea-shooter, but it functions 100% of the time
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:32:32 PM EDT
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I bought a canik shark. I liked it so much that I went back and bought the canik stingray. I really like these two I keep hearing a lot of good things about the Canik pistols. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:33:31 PM EDT
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I'm surprised it took as many as three posts for the XD hate to happen.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:34:27 PM EDT
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I have a Dan Wesson, does that count?
I have a Zastava EZ40 that has been pretty good, but awesome for the price. Too bad the damn thing is in fotah. My first was a Sarsilmaz Hancer with the Academy rollmarks. My only complaint was not buying two at $299. |
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