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Posted: 8/29/2014 10:53:28 PM EDT
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:28:30 PM EDT
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round. I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:49:01 PM EDT
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I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round. I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. He's not lieing... 1-2 years ago midway usa was selling pulled frangible 9mm projectiles for some insane price... something like $40 per thousand before shipping. I have 2 .50 cal cans FULL of them. They are so heavy I can barely move them, but unfortunetly I dont have the time to reload them. But the cost to reload them would be: $.04/projectile, $.015/primer, $.011/powder, casings: free. Total= $.067/rd |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:59:33 PM EDT
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He's not lieing... 1-2 years ago midway usa was selling pulled frangible 9mm projectiles for some insane price... something like $40 per thousand before shipping. I have 2 .50 cal cans FULL of them. They are so heavy I can barely move them, but unfortunetly I dont have the time to reload them. But the cost to reload them would be: $.04/projectile, $.015/primer, $.011/powder, casings: free. Total= $.067/rd Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round. I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. He's not lieing... 1-2 years ago midway usa was selling pulled frangible 9mm projectiles for some insane price... something like $40 per thousand before shipping. I have 2 .50 cal cans FULL of them. They are so heavy I can barely move them, but unfortunetly I dont have the time to reload them. But the cost to reload them would be: $.04/projectile, $.015/primer, $.011/powder, casings: free. Total= $.067/rd Nice. I haven't followed reloading deals much. But there's still labor costs. If you don't enjoy reloading and you don't need match/USPSA ammo, then why? |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:02:43 AM EDT
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As I said, I would rather pay $10 a box then sit there and load it, but I dont have a progressive press that feeds cases/primers/powder for me.
Now if that .45 ACP goes under $13 a box I will hold off reloading that too. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:04:32 AM EDT
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Personally, I will never shoot any aluminum cased ammo. Ever. Because aluminum punched his grandma in the mouth and left the milk out on the kitchen counter all night... Furthermore, reasons. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:18:55 AM EDT
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This afternoon I fired 200 rounds of the Federal aluminium through an HK and Glock and both ran flawlessly.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 2:26:47 AM EDT
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I bought a couple boxes to try out. I'm pretty sure it'll be about the same as the CCI Blazer stuff, which, in my experience, was decent ammo in the past. I haven't shot much factory ammo for quite a while. I usually reload all my own 9mm... but I have a one year old daughter that demands a lot of attention, and I have a hard time sitting down at my Dillon anymore, despite having a huge pile of components to work with.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 3:23:31 AM EDT
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Buy all you can find, my company is sole supplier of aluminum to ATK in Lewiston, ID and that means more overtime for me.
 We've been working a hell of a lot of OT to keep up with the demand and shipping mega tons to them.
Shoot it up..........I'll ship more.
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Posted: 8/30/2014 4:00:42 AM EDT
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Shit you can probably reload it for half that price. Doesn't take much to payoff a good reloading setup if you shoot even moderate volumes. I have the dies, 30 pounds of herco, and several thousand bullets. I'll still grab some if I see it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 10:10:18 AM EDT
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Personally, I will never shoot any aluminum cased ammo. Ever. Your head would probably explode if I told you that not only have I shot aluminum cased ammo but I have reloaded about 1500 rds of Blazer Aluminum 45ACP. I was shooting light 45 loads in USPSA production, 200gr @ 700fps. It always ran great. Could only reload them once. They never split on the first reload but a second reload split a lot of them at the case mouth and none survived a third reloading in my initial test batches. |
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Posted: 8/31/2014 3:52:54 PM EDT
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Neckbearded 6 boxes of .45 at Wally World here in Northern VA by bringing a friend. 14.97 per box. Also neckbearded 6 boxes of zq1 brass 9mm for 12.97.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 3:10:38 PM EDT
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Fired another 200 rounds (400 total) yesterday with no problems.
Stuff is GTG, IMHO. If I find some more at $9.97/50 I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:57:43 PM EDT
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Picked up another 600 rounds after work today. Supposedly this is the last day of the "sale" price, but we'll see.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:58:37 PM EDT
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Picked up another 600 rounds after work today. Supposedly this is the last day of the "sale" price, but we'll see. I got 600 today too. The weekly flyer had it as a deal until 9/2. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:03:45 PM EDT
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:12:58 PM EDT
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It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg Freak! You have 3 fucking hands! Anyhow, the shitty wallyworld by me actually had some of this. I guess the neckbeards turned up their noses at it. So, I grabbed some to run through the Hi Power. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:13:49 PM EDT
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It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:27:15 PM EDT
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:27:27 PM EDT
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I got 600 today too. The weekly flyer had it as a deal until 9/2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Picked up another 600 rounds after work today. Supposedly this is the last day of the "sale" price, but we'll see. I got 600 today too. The weekly flyer had it as a deal until 9/2. SHIT, I thought it was normal pricing  I would have gotten more
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:27:48 PM EDT
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It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg Clearly perfection |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:28:27 PM EDT
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Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. So not even the ammo we are talking about? 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:28:52 PM EDT
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Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. It went bang out of battery and didn't kaboom? |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:34:50 PM EDT
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But will it make my Glock 19 turn into a grenade? It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. It went bang out of battery and didn't kaboom? It was in battery. Only thing I could come up with is that it was a hot load and before the bullet left the barrel it was already starting to extract while still under pressure. *shrug* |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 11:40:19 PM EDT
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It was in battery. Only thing I could come up with is that it was a hot load and before the bullet left the barrel it was already starting to extract while still under pressure. *shrug* Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It locked my 23C up tight as shit. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x481q90/246/dscf3446tz6.jpg How? Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. It went bang out of battery and didn't kaboom? It was in battery. Only thing I could come up with is that it was a hot load and before the bullet left the barrel it was already starting to extract while still under pressure. *shrug* It was CCI Blazer, not the Federal that this thread is about, right? |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:10:14 AM EDT
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Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. It went bang out of battery and didn't kaboom? It was in battery. Only thing I could come up with is that it was a hot load and before the bullet left the barrel it was already starting to extract while still under pressure. *shrug* It was CCI Blazer, not the Federal that this thread is about, right? You didn't actually expect for him to read anything other than "aluminium cased" before making his post about an ammunition this thread isn't even about, did you? 
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:18:41 AM EDT
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You didn't actually expect for him to read anything other than "aluminium cased" before making his post about an ammunition this thread isn't even about, did you?
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Pulled the trigger and it went bang. Case expanded a bit. Only malfunction in close to 10k rounds I put down the tube and this was the first time I used the Blazer ammo. So almost a KB. It went bang out of battery and didn't kaboom? It was in battery. Only thing I could come up with is that it was a hot load and before the bullet left the barrel it was already starting to extract while still under pressure. *shrug* It was CCI Blazer, not the Federal that this thread is about, right? You didn't actually expect for him to read anything other than "aluminium cased" before making his post about an ammunition this thread isn't even about, did you?
Yep.. I herped and derped. I'll quietly step out and slap myself.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:26:59 AM EDT
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Yep.. I herped and derped. I'll quietly step out and slap myself.Well at least you owned up to it.
It seems 95% of the time (at least) in GD when a person realizes they made a mistake/missed something they immediately go on the offensive, try to change the subject, or just disappear from the thread. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 12:36:15 AM EDT
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The boxer aluminum casings reload fine. They are fragile and tear pretty quick. By the 2nd reloading, I lost all confidence in the casing's integrity.
They reload great a single time. What we need is for Winchester to mfg some of that aluminum 3" .410 stuff. |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 5:07:20 PM EDT
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Good news, there was plenty of it at my local Wal-Mart today. Bad news... It's apparently low powered and not up to Blazer speed. Think Federal Champion in a aluminum case. Blazer is 1145 per second, and this stuff is loaded at under 1100. May be problematic at the range in a Gen 4. Still, any 9mm ammo for ten bucks a box is a steal.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 5:12:55 PM EDT
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YOU JUST GOT HIS ATTENTION...
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Posted: 9/3/2014 6:11:46 PM EDT
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A fun question, which I would never do, but...what happens if you try to reload aluminum cases? I imagine they're not boxer primed. Case split and go boom? I have reloaded them. They are boxer. Even out of blowback they lasted 3 loads before I chucked them "to be safe" 
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:01:58 PM EDT
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Good news, there was plenty of it at my local Wal-Mart today. Bad news... It's apparently low powered and not up to Blazer speed. Think Federal Champion in a aluminum case. Blazer is 1145 per second, and this stuff is loaded at under 1100. May be problematic at the range in a Gen 4. Still, any 9mm ammo for ten bucks a box is a steal. The box still says 1145 fps. I hope it's over 1085 because I'm using it for a match this weekend where they will have a chrono stage It cycled my G17 Gen 4 just fine |
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:05:10 PM EDT
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You people... I googled "federal aluminum 9mm" and the FIRST result was LINK $9.97 http://imagecdn-3.findnsave.com/193/10516959-420 I am in. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 6:49:38 PM EDT
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The box still says 1145 fps. I hope it's over 1085 because I'm using it for a match this weekend where they will have a chrono stage It cycled my G17 Gen 4 just fine Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good news, there was plenty of it at my local Wal-Mart today. Bad news... It's apparently low powered and not up to Blazer speed. Think Federal Champion in a aluminum case. Blazer is 1145 per second, and this stuff is loaded at under 1100. May be problematic at the range in a Gen 4. Still, any 9mm ammo for ten bucks a box is a steal. The box still says 1145 fps. I hope it's over 1085 because I'm using it for a match this weekend where they will have a chrono stage It cycled my G17 Gen 4 just fine I ran 10rds of this ammo over my F1 chrony last weekend and got a spread of 1128fps - 1141fps from my CZ75. Seems to be the same as the CCI Blazer I tested about 8yrs ago. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 7:11:09 PM EDT
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If your gun fired in battery, and the case didn't fail, and the gun is still in one piece + mechanically sound:
You didn't have a kaboom. Failure to cycle due to ( intentionally left blank ) is more accurate.
Parts breakage? Dirty chamber? Dirty gun? Lube issue? Low powder charge? Limpwristing??? I wasn't there, I dunno. Boxer primed aluminum once fired cases in 9mm and .45 will stand 1 reload for sure, and a 2nd, maybe. I'm starting to think that the anti aluminum case stuff is due to people's fears of the aluminum oxide on the case surface somehow abrading and wearing out their chamber. I'm not buying that. FAR too many shooters have shot untold tons of this stuff, with no issues to report. If it was a real issue, we'd have seen it by now. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 7:16:02 PM EDT
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I ran 10rds of this ammo over my F1 chrony last weekend and got a spread of 1128fps - 1141fps from my CZ75. Seems to be the same as the CCI Blazer I tested about 8yrs ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good news, there was plenty of it at my local Wal-Mart today. Bad news... It's apparently low powered and not up to Blazer speed. Think Federal Champion in a aluminum case. Blazer is 1145 per second, and this stuff is loaded at under 1100. May be problematic at the range in a Gen 4. Still, any 9mm ammo for ten bucks a box is a steal. The box still says 1145 fps. I hope it's over 1085 because I'm using it for a match this weekend where they will have a chrono stage It cycled my G17 Gen 4 just fine I ran 10rds of this ammo over my F1 chrony last weekend and got a spread of 1128fps - 1141fps from my CZ75. Seems to be the same as the CCI Blazer I tested about 8yrs ago. I was wrong on the Federal specs. The last brass I have shows 1125 on the box. This aluminum shows 1145. Therefore, it is indeed one and the same. Halleluiah. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 7:24:15 PM EDT
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You people... I googled "federal aluminum 9mm" and the FIRST result was LINK $9.97 http://imagecdn-3.findnsave.com/193/10516959-420 I load aluminium cases... Once. Most of them split, but they work great for matches where I'm going to lose it anyway. |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 8:02:00 PM EDT
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If your gun fired in battery, and the case didn't fail, and the gun is still in one piece + mechanically sound: You didn't have a kaboom. Failure to cycle due to ( intentionally left blank ) is more accurate.
Parts breakage? Dirty chamber? Dirty gun? Lube issue? Low powder charge? Limpwristing??? I wasn't there, I dunno. Boxer primed aluminum once fired cases in 9mm and .45 will stand 1 reload for sure, and a 2nd, maybe. I'm starting to think that the anti aluminum case stuff is due to people's fears of the aluminum oxide on the case surface somehow abrading and wearing out their chamber. I'm not buying that. FAR too many shooters have shot untold tons of this stuff, with no issues to report. If it was a real issue, we'd have seen it by now. Half of the hate is probably from people who spend more time picking up other's brass then shooting, or people who make money off of indoor shooting range brass. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:15:22 AM EDT
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You people... I googled "federal aluminum 9mm" and the FIRST result was LINK $9.97 http://imagecdn-3.findnsave.com/193/10516959-420 Wow. How much is brass cased federal? $13.97 last time i bought federal Champion 9mm at walmart. Wal-Mart prices are way too high. You can do better buying cases and half cases online including shipping. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:22:59 AM EDT
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You people... I googled "federal aluminum 9mm" and the FIRST result was LINK $9.97 http://imagecdn-3.findnsave.com/193/10516959-420 Wow. How much is brass cased federal? $13.97 last time i bought federal Champion 9mm at walmart. Wal-Mart prices are way too high. You can do better buying cases and half cases online including shipping. And sadly, now they have no reason to drop brass pricing, since they have the cheaper aluminum stuff. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:44:14 AM EDT
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I thought the cases were Berdan primed. I guess they changed that for ease of manufacture.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:50:47 AM EDT
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I'm sure it is just CCI Blazer with a different headstamp. ATK owns both now. I picked up some of the Federal Aluminum last week, in a side by side comparison with CCI Blazer the Federal is hotter. There is more felt recoil. I'll have to get my chronograph out and compare Under $10 is a good thing |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:37:09 AM EDT
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none of my wallys have this.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 9:44:36 AM EDT
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round. I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. He's not lieing... 1-2 years ago midway usa was selling pulled frangible 9mm projectiles for some insane price... something like $40 per thousand before shipping. I have 2 .50 cal cans FULL of them. They are so heavy I can barely move them, but unfortunetly I dont have the time to reload them. But the cost to reload them would be: $.04/projectile, $.015/primer, $.011/powder, casings: free. Total= $.067/rd Nice. I haven't followed reloading deals much. But there's still labor costs. If you don't enjoy reloading and you don't need match/USPSA ammo, then why? Labor costs only apply if you would be doing something else that would be making you money with that time. If you aren't, then your labor cost is 0. I know you could trot out the whole concept of opportunity cost, but if I wasn't going to be using that time to make money elsewhere, or forgoing doing some other productive task, then my opportunity cost is 0, because I'm not "sacrificing" another gain. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:31:38 AM EDT
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Labor costs only apply if you would be doing something else that would be making you money with that time. If you aren't, then your labor cost is 0. I know you could trot out the whole concept of opportunity cost, but if I wasn't going to be using that time to make money elsewhere, or forgoing doing some other productive task, then my opportunity cost is 0, because I'm not "sacrificing" another gain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw it this week at a wm in north bama. Course i shoot reloads for under $.09 a round. I find that hard to believe. Even if you don't include your labor costs, you can't buy components for that little, unless you are using hoarded components from the 70s. He's not lieing... 1-2 years ago midway usa was selling pulled frangible 9mm projectiles for some insane price... something like $40 per thousand before shipping. I have 2 .50 cal cans FULL of them. They are so heavy I can barely move them, but unfortunetly I dont have the time to reload them. But the cost to reload them would be: $.04/projectile, $.015/primer, $.011/powder, casings: free. Total= $.067/rd Nice. I haven't followed reloading deals much. But there's still labor costs. If you don't enjoy reloading and you don't need match/USPSA ammo, then why? Labor costs only apply if you would be doing something else that would be making you money with that time. If you aren't, then your labor cost is 0. I know you could trot out the whole concept of opportunity cost, but if I wasn't going to be using that time to make money elsewhere, or forgoing doing some other productive task, then my opportunity cost is 0, because I'm not "sacrificing" another gain. There is ALWAYS an oppurtunity cost. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:33:07 AM EDT
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There is ALWAYS an oppurtunity cost. yes, but if I was going to be a couch potato and watch TV in the hour I spent reloading.....what cost did I incur (financially)? |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:39:18 AM EDT
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The neckbeards beat me to this deal at our Walmart. Ah well, brass-cased stuff isn't THAT much more. I would've liked to stash a few hundred rounds at $10/box, though.
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:43:17 AM EDT
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The neckbeards beat me to this deal at our Walmart. Ah well, brass-cased stuff isn't THAT much more. I would've liked to stash a few hundred rounds at $10/box, though. Freedom Munitions Reman is actually cheaper with free shipping |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:45:14 AM EDT
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Reloading is just as much a hobby for me as shooting. The "cost" of my time at the reloading bench is the same as the "cost" of my time at the range.
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