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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:08:54 PM EDT
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 Scammers.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:10:39 PM EDT
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I think this is fairly old news....
That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:13:28 PM EDT
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I think this is fairly old news.... My bad, news station and Beck had it posted yesterday. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:13:49 PM EDT
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Loss of job, barred from ever holding a job as a LEO, charged with theft/corruption/etc., forced to pay back every penny and then sentenced to time in jail and in gen pop.
THAT would satisfy me. But I'm willing to bet the union will do its best to defend, a plea bargain will be arranged, said officers will receive a stern lecture, no other reprimand, no loss of job, back on the street. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:15:26 PM EDT
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I've lived in Houston, and news like this about HPD never surprises me. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:16:04 PM EDT
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Nothing will happen.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:16:54 PM EDT
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pleasepleaseplease let them have actually offered testimony.....
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:17:00 PM EDT
[#8]
They have to list a witness on their tickets?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:17:46 PM EDT
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:18:35 PM EDT
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? Dont have to but the option is there. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:18:45 PM EDT
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? I doubt they have to, probably just adding it for extra evidence which is actually just fraudulent overtime. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:19:02 PM EDT
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've lived in Houston, and news like this about HPD never surprises me. I've never said that, but yeah this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:20:11 PM EDT
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? No. They were listing a witness so their buddy could ALSO show up in court and get overtime $$$. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:20:44 PM EDT
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? Only the issuing officer goes to court here even if others witnessed it. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:21:58 PM EDT
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Oopsie. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:22:13 PM EDT
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No. They were listing a witness so their buddy could ALSO show up in court and get overtime $$$. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have to list a witness on their tickets? No. They were listing a witness so their buddy could ALSO show up in court and get overtime $$$. Ahh, gotcha. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:24:05 PM EDT
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This shit is unacceptable.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:25:22 PM EDT
[#18]
wrong if they testified as witnessing the offense.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:25:41 PM EDT
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Easy fix. Fire all the officers involved
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:34:12 PM EDT
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Easy fix. Fire all the officers involved The Fraternal Order of Polices' baby ain't do nufin. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:46:26 PM EDT
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Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is fairly old news.... That said, it needs to shouted from the rooftops that these assholes were literally stealing from taxpayers by faking their OverTime. Its not that old. Farias committed suicide last week after finding out he was being relieved of duty. yep 
He was 51, and knew he would never have another leo job. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:57:38 PM EDT
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LINK HOUSTON -- On a Tuesday afternoon in March, Houston Police wrote up a Houston motorist for speeding in Northwest Houston. But he wasn't your everyday kind of driver.
"I've been behind the radar gun," said the man. He asked not to identified, because he too, is a police officer. We'll refer to him as Jerry. And when HPD handed Jerry the ticket, there was a major red flag. "I immediately know that something's hinky with the ticket," Jerry said. That's because the ticket-writing officer listed another HPD officer as a witness. "There was no other officer, he was the only officer there," Jerry said. What he didn't know at the time, is what the I-Team has now uncovered through a paper trail of records--dozens of cases where HPD officers listed witnessing officers on tickets--who were never there. It was all to allegedly collect hefty overtime checks by later appearing in traffic court. Hunt said the Union is prepared to offer legal representation to Officers Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. The three have been relieved of duty and reassigned to desk jobs while an internal affairs investigation proceeds.
The I-Team found the alleged ticket-rigging scheme took place mostly on highways. In one case in May, Officer Manzalnaes put Officer Farias down as a witness at 11:24 p.m. at I-10 and Westcott Street. But at the same exact time, records show Farias was writing a ticket nine miles away at I-10 and Wilcrest. http://i.imgur.com/OPmJQUH.jpg The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:59:54 PM EDT
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So if a citizen lies (commits fraud) while filling out official paperwork it's a felony isn't it?
How is being an actual state employee and defrauding the city not an instant felony? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:02:28 PM EDT
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Sugerland is only a short drive down 59.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. sounds plausible, we'll see what the investigation turns up |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:05:06 PM EDT
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Rut roh
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:06:33 PM EDT
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:07:00 PM EDT
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9 miles away? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Ecerythings bigger in TX |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:07:05 PM EDT
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Surerland is only a short drive down 59. How far is Surerland from Hotson? 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:08:15 PM EDT
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Easy fix. Fire all the officers involved Yep. Should be a ground ball. Bye. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:15:41 PM EDT
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So if a citizen lies (commits fraud) while filling out official paperwork it's a felony isn't it? How is being an actual state employee and defrauding the city not an instant felony? nm. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:17:32 PM EDT
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket.
Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:18:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Hey cops, cool it. That's what I say.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:26:51 PM EDT
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9 miles away? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Well, he was speeding... 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:32:10 PM EDT
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A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:38:58 PM EDT
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Easy fix. Fire all the officers involved while removing any points accumulated to the driver's license and refunding their fines. FIFY If you're convicted based on fraudulent testimony, your conviction should be immediately overturned and any penalties assessed should be negated. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:47:35 PM EDT
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Is this a Houston thing with a witness for a ticket?
ETA:After reading I found the answer. Special kind of stupid those guys are. You can easily write tickets a whole shift but who's got time for all that 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:50:02 PM EDT
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As long as they made it home and back to court on their day off safely...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:50:54 PM EDT
[#39]
What's this ?
They've outlawed corruption in Texas ? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:08:38 PM EDT
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:14:23 PM EDT
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LINK HOUSTON -- On a Tuesday afternoon in March, Houston Police wrote up a Houston motorist for speeding in Northwest Houston. But he wasn't your everyday kind of driver.
"I've been behind the radar gun," said the man. He asked not to identified, because he too, is a police officer. We'll refer to him as Jerry. And when HPD handed Jerry the ticket, there was a major red flag. "I immediately know that something's hinky with the ticket," Jerry said. That's because the ticket-writing officer listed another HPD officer as a witness. "There was no other officer, he was the only officer there," Jerry said. What he didn't know at the time, is what the I-Team has now uncovered through a paper trail of records--dozens of cases where HPD officers listed witnessing officers on tickets--who were never there. It was all to allegedly collect hefty overtime checks by later appearing in traffic court. Hunt said the Union is prepared to offer legal representation to Officers Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. The three have been relieved of duty and reassigned to desk jobs while an internal affairs investigation proceeds.
The I-Team found the alleged ticket-rigging scheme took place mostly on highways. In one case in May, Officer Manzalnaes put Officer Farias down as a witness at 11:24 p.m. at I-10 and Westcott Street. But at the same exact time, records show Farias was writing a ticket nine miles away at I-10 and Wilcrest. http://i.imgur.com/OPmJQUH.jpg The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Show me a radar or Lidar that works from 9 miles away................... |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:16:58 PM EDT
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LINK HOUSTON -- On a Tuesday afternoon in March, Houston Police wrote up a Houston motorist for speeding in Northwest Houston. But he wasn't your everyday kind of driver.
"I've been behind the radar gun," said the man. He asked not to identified, because he too, is a police officer. We'll refer to him as Jerry. And when HPD handed Jerry the ticket, there was a major red flag. "I immediately know that something's hinky with the ticket," Jerry said. That's because the ticket-writing officer listed another HPD officer as a witness. "There was no other officer, he was the only officer there," Jerry said. What he didn't know at the time, is what the I-Team has now uncovered through a paper trail of records--dozens of cases where HPD officers listed witnessing officers on tickets--who were never there. It was all to allegedly collect hefty overtime checks by later appearing in traffic court. Hunt said the Union is prepared to offer legal representation to Officers Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. The three have been relieved of duty and reassigned to desk jobs while an internal affairs investigation proceeds.
The I-Team found the alleged ticket-rigging scheme took place mostly on highways. In one case in May, Officer Manzalnaes put Officer Farias down as a witness at 11:24 p.m. at I-10 and Westcott Street. But at the same exact time, records show Farias was writing a ticket nine miles away at I-10 and Wilcrest. http://i.imgur.com/OPmJQUH.jpg The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc. do you even read Bro
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:20:19 PM EDT
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The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. The whole hourly wage things for cops is a racket. They should be exempt just like other professionals and salaried, not paid hourly. As someone who has worked in both LE and large corporate engineering I'll say you are wrong when it comes to patrol officers/supervisors that support 24/7/365 operations. That said, OT costs are a huge issue for depts and that's a management issue to deal with. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:20:55 PM EDT
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The other guy radar'd him and the other officer caught him. Traffic teams often work in pairs. One radars the other is the rabbit...etc.   Yeah... that's exactly what happened. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:21:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Quote HistoryQuoted: A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/  And how did they not foresee being caught by eventually pulling over a cop from another agency, some supervisor they did not recognize, or some lawyer who knows how the tickets work and would look back and see only one cop etc etc. I suppose they were probably doing it forever but it seems like the dumbest scam ever.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:21:05 PM EDT
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So if a citizen lies (commits fraud) while filling out official paperwork it's a felony isn't it? How is being an actual state employee and defrauding the city not an instant felony? . Union sheepdogs are more equal than the other animals, because they have more LAWYERS. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:22:22 PM EDT
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Not suprised at all.....Houston...nuff said
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:23:00 PM EDT
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Who shoots himself over being caught fudging speeding tickets? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A fourth officer under investigation, Rudolph Farias, shot and killed himself Tuesday afternoon in a police parking garage near downtown. http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/21/motorist-caught-in-alleged-hpd-ticket-rigging-scheme/14375177/ Probably went crazy and thought he was a dog. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:23:59 PM EDT
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The whole overtime for court is a complete racket. Court should be part of a patrol officers regularly scheduled 40 hours. You could double most city's police force with what they scam on OT. When your regularly scheduled 40 hours is Friday-Monday 6P-6A court isn't usually something that fits into your regular schedule. And telling someone they have to adjust their schedule to have Wed court as part of their regular 40 hours isn't going to fly for most folks. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:27:26 PM EDT
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Loss of job, barred from ever holding a job as a LEO, charged with theft/corruption/etc., forced to pay back every penny and then sentenced to time in jail and in gen pop. THAT would satisfy me. But I'm willing to bet the union will do its best to defend, a plea bargain will be arranged, said officers will receive a stern lecture, no other reprimand, no loss of job, back on the street. The legal defense is probably a pre-paid insurance plan as part of the union/POA dues and not something the union/POA can chose to not provide. |
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