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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:24:39 PM EDT
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Yup. All that steel-core 7.62X39, 5.45, 7.62X25, etc would tank ammo prices.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:25:00 PM EDT
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There is an AP ammo ban?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:25:23 PM EDT
[#3]
Meh.
I'd honestly rather have supressors and SBRs off the NFA list. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:25:55 PM EDT
[#4]
yes
if the government can have it, the people should have equal access. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:26:56 PM EDT
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There is an AP ammo ban? Last I heard there was. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:28:57 PM EDT
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Meh. I'd honestly rather have supressors and SBRs off the NFA list. Sounds good. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:34:24 PM EDT
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Cop killer bulletz, you want to legalize cop killing bulletz?!
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:35:03 PM EDT
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:35:22 PM EDT
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I really think its a feel good anymore. The folks that are out to kill cops aren't just taking one body shots anymore with a little .32.
They're taking head shot or using rifles. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:37:03 PM EDT
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first cop to post,huh
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:37:13 PM EDT
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I just want my 7.62x25.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:37:30 PM EDT
[#12]
It is an infringement, so the ban is a crime against the Constitution.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:37:52 PM EDT
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The only good gun law, is a dead gun law.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:43:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Yes, absolutely.
I could live with merely having exemptions made, such as for 7N6, surplus Russian X39, and x25. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:46:09 PM EDT
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Meh. I'd honestly rather have supressors and SBRs off the NFA list. Get both? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:47:06 PM EDT
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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but why not? I;d bet a few less people would be killed by bears if AP ammo for pistols were legalized. I mean a 9mm with AP would kill a bear whereas heavy big bore soft lead hollow points and cast bullets arent that great and really slow down followup shots. there would also probably be fewer successful vehicular homocides. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:47:59 PM EDT
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The sad part is that all the mild steel core ammo that is banned from import isn't even "AP"...but the facts have never mattered in this fight to begin with.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:48:45 PM EDT
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I;d bet a few less people would be killed by bears if AP ammo for pistols were legalized. I mean a 9mm with AP would kill a bear whereas heavy big bore soft lead hollow points and cast bullets arent that great and really slow down followup shots. there would also probably be fewer successful vehicular homocides. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but why not? I;d bet a few less people would be killed by bears if AP ammo for pistols were legalized. I mean a 9mm with AP would kill a bear whereas heavy big bore soft lead hollow points and cast bullets arent that great and really slow down followup shots. there would also probably be fewer successful vehicular homocides. Interesting thought. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:24:47 PM EDT
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Why yes!!!
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson http://centralillinoisgunexchange.com/uploads/gallery/album_56/gallery_1_56_17564.jpg "Solemnly, freely, and without mental reservation, I hereby renounce under oath all allegiance to any foreign state. My fidelity and allegiance from this day forward is to the United States of America. I pledge to support, honor, and be loyal to the United States, its Constitution, and its laws. Where and if lawfully required, I further commit myself to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, either by military, noncombatant, or civilian service. This I do solemnly swear, so help me God" Sorry sometimes the "good" guys are on the wrong side of the fence. what edit: hhhhnnnggggghhh Longer |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:32:07 PM EDT
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Meh. I'd honestly rather have supressors and SBRs off the NFA list. This. Rifle plates can stop even AP rounds now. Only Steel core pistol ammo would be neat. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:36:08 PM EDT
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AP pistol ammo specifically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. I never knew .308 was a pistol round. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:42:32 PM EDT
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I never knew .308 was a pistol round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. I never knew .308 was a pistol round. It's all arbitrary bullshit, someone makes a pistol that shoots a traditional rifle round and then they say "see it's a pistol round". Trying to make sense of it is a waste of time, like all gun laws they're written by idiots and only make sense to idiots. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:45:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Cops who are against it, explain yourselves. I'm genuinely curious.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:48:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Repeal!
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:53:34 PM EDT
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Interesting thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but why not? I;d bet a few less people would be killed by bears if AP ammo for pistols were legalized. I mean a 9mm with AP would kill a bear whereas heavy big bore soft lead hollow points and cast bullets arent that great and really slow down followup shots. there would also probably be fewer successful vehicular homocides. Interesting thought. What it boiled down to was the feds saying person A's life has less value than person B. You get killed by a bear or car because your .454 wouldnt kill a bear or your HP 9mil wouldnt penetrate a car door while a 9mm with a tongsten penetrator would? Tough shit. Police officer jim gets to live because he didnt get hit by a a AP round. You see alot of that with the law. alot of group A gets fucked to save a few in group B. Usually group B is either employed by the government or voted the way the government wants them to. Group A, not so much. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:02:56 PM EDT
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I never really got it to begin with. Vests don't stop anything you can buy at Walmart other than .22s and plates stop just about anything handheld. Was there even an issue other than media hysteria? Has a single LEO (or anyone else for that matter) ever been killed by an "AP" pistol round?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:41:39 PM EDT
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lol It is a pleasure to be able to sign into law H.R. 3132 to ban the production or importation of the so-called cop-killer bullets, which pose an unreasonable threat to law enforcement officers who use soft body armor. This bill, similar to legislation jointly submitted to the Congress by the Departments of Justice and the Treasury in 1984, recognizes that certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited. Such action is long overdue. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:45:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol It is a pleasure to be able to sign into law H.R. 3132 to ban the production or importation of the so-called cop-killer bullets, which pose an unreasonable threat to law enforcement officers who use soft body armor. This bill, similar to legislation jointly submitted to the Congress by the Departments of Justice and the Treasury in 1984, recognizes that certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited. Such action is long overdue. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you expect from a Democrat that banned the carry of firearms in his state while governor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol It is a pleasure to be able to sign into law H.R. 3132 to ban the production or importation of the so-called cop-killer bullets, which pose an unreasonable threat to law enforcement officers who use soft body armor. This bill, similar to legislation jointly submitted to the Congress by the Departments of Justice and the Treasury in 1984, recognizes that certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited. Such action is long overdue. Why do you hate America? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:56:58 PM EDT
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- Why do you hate America? Said one Somali to another Somali.  
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:00:46 PM EDT
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Is it all AP pistol stuff or just imported stuff? Can a US company manufacture it for us civis?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:02:35 PM EDT
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I could swear the CMP just recently had some for sale, as collector ammo. 30-06.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:08:01 PM EDT
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Cop killer bulletz, you want to legalize cop killing bulletz?! Dude those are Teflon coated bullets. Get your facts straight. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:42:56 AM EDT
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I could swear the CMP just recently had some for sale, as collector ammo. 30-06. IIRC, black tip 30-06 is the exception. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:57:12 AM EDT
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AP pistol ammo specifically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Steel core, doesn't even have anything to do with it actually being AP, as interpreted by BATFE, anyways. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:59:26 AM EDT
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There is an AP ammo ban? Not in CA there isn't with the exception of pistol rounds |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:00:11 AM EDT
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AP pistol ammo specifically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:01:24 AM EDT
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I don't think civilians should have AP rounds. Only the police and then the military should have them.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:01:58 AM EDT
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Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? Sell it to a friend you've never met or talked to, for half price.... 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:12:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot AP. Yes, we should be allowed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:14:38 AM EDT
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The irony is that the really useful AP ammo is already not banned.
30 Cal M2 AP + 50 Cal M2 AP |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:21:40 AM EDT
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Yup.... my Dept issue Level II vest isn't going to stop a common rifle round anyways like your run of the mill .30-30 Winchester or .30-06 Springfield.
So why the hell restrict me on my ability to purchase ammo? The AP Ban is stupid just because of how it is written and enforced. Steel core 7.62x39mm is illegal because a pistol can shoot it. Give me a break.... my vest wouldn't stop normal lead core either.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:22:31 AM EDT
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Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? Because it is specifically exempt in the bill.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:23:48 AM EDT
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Because it is specifically exempt in the bill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Oh. I was thinking WTF would I do with all of the .30-06 I have and how did I get it if there is a ban? Because it is specifically exempt in the bill. Well that makes sense. Must not be powerful enough. lol
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:23:48 AM EDT
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I don't think civilians should have AP rounds. Only the police and then the military should have them. 
You be trollin. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:24:27 AM EDT
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Fuck the JBTs who voted for option 2.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:31:51 AM EDT
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Feel good legislation irritates me. Repeal it all.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:37:06 AM EDT
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There is an AP ammo ban? anything that the ATF deemed a pistol caliber is subject to the AP ban. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:38:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is an infringement, so the ban is a crime against the Constitution. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:43:19 AM EDT
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Steel core, doesn't even have anything to do with it actually being AP, as interpreted by BATFE, anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is an AP ammo ban? AP pistol ammo specifically. Steel core, doesn't even have anything to do with it actually being AP, as interpreted by BATFE, anyways. No interpretation required. The definition of "armor piercing" in the statute is specific. So if you want to blame someone for the law, blame the people who passed the statute: Congress. If you wish to have the law repealed apply to the only people who can do that: Congress. |
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