I've never even taken it and I'm bitching about it. I don't care about junkies.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the big deal.  Going from schedule 3 to schedule 2 means 6 month prescriptions get replaced with, effectively, 3 month prescriptions.  Twice the number of doctor visits, which is annoying, but not a huge deal.

All of it is annoying. I can't get anything for sinus' that works for me and is under 4 bucks a pill.

I can't imagine how pissed people with actual pain problems and full time jobs are gonna be.

Dang, that's expensive.  No generics available?

Wait - I am on Tramadol - when I last picked it up they said it was moving to Class III - and I'd have to show my ID.

Do I also have to get a new script every time now - because that would be fucking annoying. Especially since my family doc is going out of biz and I would have to bug her directly to fill it.


ETA - also with Tramadol I could have it prescribed over state lines if I forget or lost pills on a trip. No more I guess.

Fuck you war on drugs.

So far Zyrtec-D seems to be the only one that will stop me up for a whole day without drowsiness in a single pill.

After experimenting with various brands generic and name that didn't work (04-07) I ended up buying a few cases of ephedra online from Canada. Lasted from 2007 until 2013. Kept me dry without a million things in a huge horse pill. It was fantastic.

Then I get back from my last tour, ETS, and I find that I can't even order the shit online anymore, and the VA won't give me anything other than generic zertec, that I have to take three of and makes my stomach hurt.

Class III is a 6 month script, I believe.   I've never shown ID to buy a Class II drug, so not sure why you'd have to for Tramadol.

FIFY

Make the Doctor more $$$$

Sure, but is that something that actually influences a DEA decision?

Good.  It's a fucking pain in the ass dealing with patients wanting early refills, trying to call in fraudulent prescriptions, etc.

Metaphorically speaking: Patients can hold us at gunpoint, but so can DEA/pharmacy boards.

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It's amazing how many people are cool with more .gov intervention and laws that restrict us.

Arfkom never ceases to amaze me.

Only because we have a system of social safety nets.  Get rid of those and there would be no reason for prohibition of anything.  You have no clue of social system dynamics.

 

Considering government intervention and restrictive laws already governed sale of Hydrocodone, this isn't much of an argument.  If they had move it from unscheduled to scheduled, you might have a point.

Might be a costco policy.

If it doesn't affect them directly, many of them don't care.

And in fairness, I may have been required to show ID the first time I filled the prescription.  Haven't had to since, however.

It wouldn't make it through clinical trials.

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in before soaring heroin abuse increases when people can't easily get this anymore.

Just because people will find other ways to self medicate or get high doesn't mean that making opiates better controlled is a bad decision.

Yes it does.  Isn't meth still a big problem?   Why do I have to go to a doc to get a script for Sudafed now?  I thought that was supposed to solve the problem.

Because your state is retarded.  Sorry.

So, what's so great about it that people abuse this stuff?

Is it just a painkiller?  

TL;DR all 6 pages. Am I in before Ayn Rand?

WOW. I googled "medicine cabinet scores" like you said and my god, there are some sick people out there--stealing pain meds from grandma with cancer and then bragging about it. Didn't realize that there was a whole online community like that, out in the open. Thanks for that suggestion. It was very eye opening.

They make generic Claritin D you know.......


About 1/2 to 2/3 the price of name brand

Could be a move to placate doctors under Obamacare and incentivize them to retain patients. Now they have an almost guaranteed income redistribution flow from patients that are on these meds and can afford to take them or have to take them to keep their job instead of switching to heroin. Money flows from the public, through the exchange, is transferred to the insurance companies, and passed on to doctors while the government gets a cut along the way.

I can buy ephedrine hcl in CT.   It's at all the gas stations.   Gotta sign a bound book for it tho.

It's shit.   Only good for tweakers and muscle Tards.    

Only psuedoeph works for me too.


Btw.  Walmart sells a genetic Zyrtec,  $1 for 14 pills.     Go with generic Claritin D and one of these zyrtecs and be happy

He should send the seekers away and carry a glock

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Lobbyists don't just go to the capital

Now you'll do it more!

My doctor does the same thing, not sure if our state allows this for SII. The doctors office also had a 15 dollar prescription refill option over the phone so you don't physically need to have a doctors visit to refill a prescription. They send all request to any pharmacy of your choosing electronically. About as easy as it gets.


edit: I also feel for my fellow allegry sufferers. I take two claritin in the morning, flonase, mucinex, singulaire, and a zyrtec before bed. My doctor suggested mucinex D or Pseudoephedrine for a decongestant but I hate how tweaky and irritable it makes me, plus it kills my sex drive. I refused his suggestion. I really had to step up my meds this year as I had a chronic sinus infection due to my allergy cycle.

That was my immediate economist-trained thought.

No refills on CII's.  No phone prescriptions either.  "Sorry, call your doc and get a new script."

Nobody would be cutting his wires if the pills were OTC.....

A chiropractor here did that.

700 guns on the streets of Hartford and Springfield.

They get Probation.   Some schmoe forgets to register his mini-14 with the state?   5 years

Odd you say this. My best friends, a totally clean, hard working couple, both lost their younger brothers to heroin this year. One was in Washington, the other was in California.  Both grew up in upper class areas and started their addictions on prescription drugs.  Seriously nasty stuff.

Allergy shots

Sinus surgery

Really ?

Did you bring them back to the USA ?

already happening here.  lots and lots of heroin use cause people can't get prescription painkillers, even if they need them.

What I'd like to know is where does the DEA get the authority to randomly reschedule a drug without an act of congress?

Controlled Substances Act of 1970.

No.  Ive taken perscribed Oxycontin for my disease.  It felt really good, like I dont give a fuck about dying, or the pain I am experiencing.  It also made me lazy, slow, and stupid.  

For me, its a "Id rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" sort of thing.   Im sure if I continued that stuff, I would be content to living the rest of my days laying on my couch, watching daytime TV.  

Ive got a whole list of cool shit I want to do before I die.  Pain pills would only hinder me.

After my PCP sent me to a "Pain Clinic", I realized how the clinics are here. Every Dr. is scared to treat anyone with pain. I have MRI's that show disc pressing on nerves, torn shoulders and biceps, disc space that has had a 15% height loss in one year, chronic degenerative disc disease, stenosis, etc. Shoulder doctor says I do not manage pain, nuero surgeon says, I know you are in pain, but I do not treat it. Doctors say my back is so messed up they will not touch it, because " I am a surgery bomb".

I was seen by Vanderbilt's cancer docs, cardiac docs, etc. The head professor of Oncology Dr. Lou(sp), wanted to refer me to the NIH as a case study for all my symptoms. I deal with the pain, intolerance to heat, night sweats, swollen feet, hands, and going tachacardiic(sp) out of the blue,etc on a daily basis. That along with all the muscle/joints, disc,etc that are messed up.

The pain clinic I was shuffled off to, demands that you have a series of 3 injections in back/neck or they will not write meds and discharge you as a patient. The people I see come in walking with a cane and after the visit getting car, no cane is needed. The office sends you for the injections to a clinic 90 miles away and is not in my insurance network. My nuero surgeon has been trying to get me in to a local clinic with a Dr. who can control my pain and do injections here locally. The shoulder and neck Docs do not want me having injections because surgery is needed soon.

I work for a large hospital, in the top 10 in USA for size. I will most likely loose my job if I take off for the shoulder surgery. FMLA only covers 12 weeks/3 months, and at my directors discretion I can get an additional 12 weeks of medical leave, but it is not guaranteed. Then there is the neck and other shoulder. I tough it out and pull up my boot straps everyday and go to work. Recently I had a AFIB attack, heart cath and several attacks resulting in ER visits, and time off. I have little sick time and very little personal time. At times I get very stressed because of all of this. It sucks.

So, in summary my body is mad/jacked up. I need meds to work 40-70 hours per week. I am very busy with lots on my plate. Now I feel like a criminal with having all these new rules. It is like a stigma. I work hard, several jobs, serve my community, care for my son and I just feel like I am getting to my rope's end.

And FUCK all the DOPE SEEKING mothers, who just want to get high and get on disability. Sorry for the long post, I just have so much on my plate. Working for a hospital and worrying about losing my job because I need surgery/become a customer really sucks.

End of long story.

I don't personally know any docs who think this kind of heavy-handed administrative behavior is a good thing. It makes them use appointment slots for these mandatory follow-ups. Those slots would be much more productively filled by new patient visits or other appointments for medically necessary follow-up.


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I bet those three doctors play a lot of golf together.......

Heroin is already cheaper, which is why it's coming back.

 

It's fucked up that I got into a disagreement with a "3 percenter" on Facebook about doctors carrying concealed.  He was an EMT and believed those in his profession should not be armed because they are there to save life, and not take it.  I told him the point of being armed is NOT to take life, but to save it.

Doctors could avoid this trouble if they armed themselves.