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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:52:06 PM EDT
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Silly to schedule Ultram. The drug seekers hate that stuff.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:53:20 PM EDT
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Seriously. Four back surgeries and 14 years of significant back pain from a riding accident. Torn disk, Spinal Stenosis, Degenerative Disk Disease (2 fusions, 1 3-level), Sciatica, SI joint pain, Scoliosis, all creating a myriad of problems that contribute to chronic pain. Aleve, Hell, any NSAIDs are off limits because I also have Barretts Esophagus (esophageal cancer precursor). What am I to do? Tylenol doesn't work, so now what? I am very proud that I only take c2 post-surgery, but that isn't always a good idea. So I suffer because of the stigma society and government place on legally prescribed substances. Well, thank you very much. Go fix your own problems before you meddle in mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys who think this is fine or think aleve is just as good dont know anything about real chronic pain. The DEA has been busting doctors balls so hard they arent prescribing shit. Chronic pain sufferers are living everyday in agony just because .gov is worried someone might get high. fucking ridiculous. Seriously. Four back surgeries and 14 years of significant back pain from a riding accident. Torn disk, Spinal Stenosis, Degenerative Disk Disease (2 fusions, 1 3-level), Sciatica, SI joint pain, Scoliosis, all creating a myriad of problems that contribute to chronic pain. Aleve, Hell, any NSAIDs are off limits because I also have Barretts Esophagus (esophageal cancer precursor). What am I to do? Tylenol doesn't work, so now what? I am very proud that I only take c2 post-surgery, but that isn't always a good idea. So I suffer because of the stigma society and government place on legally prescribed substances. Well, thank you very much. Go fix your own problems before you meddle in mine. Due to 3 destroyed discs in my lower back, I have to take 2 hydros every AM before I can even get my socks on. My next back surgery is tentatively scheduled for december. What a fucking hassle. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:53:41 PM EDT
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Its been that way here in Maine for at least two years and its a royal PITMFA
 Every month you ALSO need to get a Prior Authorization for the script ...which makes no fucking sense other than worthless redundancy , and its only good for 29 days worth of pills. And the original script has to be picked up in person or mailed to you...they cant call it in . Fuck the street level pill slags that fuck everything up for everyone else , and fuck the governments for senseless bureaucracy and horseshit . ETA....and F B H O |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't call it in or fax it in. It has to be locked up and a second inventory is kept. Same schedule as morphine and methadone. There were 130 million scripts for it last year. Hassle I don't need for my job. The MDs are in favor of making a c2 but we pharmacists are not. The strongest opioid you can call in now is tylenol with codeine. Welcome to 1935.  Also, some states have NPs or PAs that cannot write for c2 prescriptions. The same as restricting firearms, doesn't do a damn bit of good. Bad guys gonna be bad whether legal or not.  |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 I don't see the point of this change. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are making money on this. War on Drug$. Gotta be. I'm trying to figure how they make more money on this. Maybe through additional fees? In any case, it just makes it more cumbersome to prescribe those medications. It wastes more of my time without doing anything about drug diversion. While I agree it's a problem, this does absolutely nothing to fix it. +1 I don't see the point of this change. Because they have to do something....kids are overdosing left and right. Babies turning tricks to get a few pills of Vicodin...human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:56:14 PM EDT
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Do you not feel safer
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:56:17 PM EDT
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Its been that way here in Maine for at least two years and its a royal PITMFA
Every month you ALSO need to get a Prior Authorization for the script ...which makes no fucking sense other than worthless redundancy , and its only good for 29 days worth of pills. And the original script has to be picked up in person or mailed to you...they cant call it in . Fuck the street level pill slags that fuck everything up for everyone else , and fuck the governments for senseless bureaucracy and horseshit . I knew a Purdue labs rep that retired early due to how much Oxy he sold (when it was still branded) back in the late 90s to early 2000s in Maine. That guy was a baller. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew a Purdue labs rep that retired early due to how much Oxy he sold (when it was still branded) back in the late 90s to early 2000s in Maine. That guy was a baller. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its been that way here in Maine for at least two years and its a royal PITMFA Every month you ALSO need to get a Prior Authorization for the script ...which makes no fucking sense other than worthless redundancy , and its only good for 29 days worth of pills. And the original script has to be picked up in person or mailed to you...they cant call it in . Fuck the street level pill slags that fuck everything up for everyone else , and fuck the governments for senseless bureaucracy and horseshit . I knew a Purdue labs rep that retired early due to how much Oxy he sold (when it was still branded) back in the late 90s to early 2000s in Maine. That guy was a baller.  |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:59:24 PM EDT
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Seriously. Four back surgeries and 14 years of significant back pain from a riding accident. Torn disk, Spinal Stenosis, Degenerative Disk Disease (2 fusions, 1 3-level), Sciatica, SI joint pain, Scoliosis, all creating a myriad of problems that contribute to chronic pain. Aleve, Hell, any NSAIDs are off limits because I also have Barretts Esophagus (esophageal cancer precursor). What am I to do? Tylenol doesn't work, so now what? I am very proud that I only take c2 post-surgery, but that isn't always a good idea. So I suffer because of the stigma society and government place on legally prescribed substances. Well, thank you very much. Go fix your own problems before you meddle in mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys who think this is fine or think aleve is just as good dont know anything about real chronic pain. The DEA has been busting doctors balls so hard they arent prescribing shit. Chronic pain sufferers are living everyday in agony just because .gov is worried someone might get high. fucking ridiculous. Seriously. Four back surgeries and 14 years of significant back pain from a riding accident. Torn disk, Spinal Stenosis, Degenerative Disk Disease (2 fusions, 1 3-level), Sciatica, SI joint pain, Scoliosis, all creating a myriad of problems that contribute to chronic pain. Aleve, Hell, any NSAIDs are off limits because I also have Barretts Esophagus (esophageal cancer precursor). What am I to do? Tylenol doesn't work, so now what? I am very proud that I only take c2 post-surgery, but that isn't always a good idea. So I suffer because of the stigma society and government place on legally prescribed substances. Well, thank you very much. Go fix your own problems before you meddle in mine. A good pain management doc will have options for you. Methadone can be a very effective analgesic, as can bupenorphine, which is a portion of suboxone. Bupenorphine is available in transdermal patches. My experience is that rather than increase dosages, the analgesics should be rotated when they begin to lose effectiveness. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Interestingly one of the markers for reimbursements under Zerocare is patient satisfaction and part of that is pain management.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:01:19 PM EDT
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It shouldn't be a problem as this medication, like all opoids, should be used for acute pain or cancer pain only.
It also makes sense in terms of maintaining consistency - this stuff is no different than the oxycodone/acetaminophen that is already schedule II. To that end I think they should make tramadol schedule II as well. Either that or just stop regulating them all but either way the compounds that are similar should be treated similarly by any regulatory scheme. Tramadol is the worst because they used to sell it as "not addictive" but in the end its the same thing just like all the others tramadol, heroin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine etc. They all hit mu receptors plus some combo of other opoid receptors. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:02:10 PM EDT
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep.
Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:05:14 PM EDT
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The government just made every drug dealer in the country ecstatic. Profits are going to be through the roof and dealing drugs becomes that much more appealing to those looking for a quick buck.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:06:41 PM EDT
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The government just made every drug dealer in the country ecstatic. Profits are going to be through the roof and dealing drugs becomes that much more appealing to those looking for a quick buck. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:07:43 PM EDT
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Shitty drug for fun. Barely works to kill disabling pain.
FUCK TYLENOL |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:08:02 PM EDT
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The freedom loving side of me agrees with you. The side of me that has lost faith in our population's ability to do anything in moderation disagrees. ETA.. My worry is the people who take someone else out earning their Darwin award. A coworker was rear ended by a drugged up bitch earler this year who was on a combination of Oxycontin and Lorazepam. Bitch barley knew what planet she was on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys who think this is fine or think aleve is just as good dont know anything about real chronic pain. The DEA has been busting doctors balls so hard they arent prescribing shit. Chronic pain sufferers are living everyday in agony just because .gov is worried someone might get high. fucking ridiculous. One might hope that the politicians and bureaucrats who think this is a good idea get some sort of cripplingly painful chronic condition so they can really enjoy the fruits of their stupidity. Those diagnosed with crippling, painful, and fatal conditions, like myself, have no problems getting access to pain pills under the current system. I could have a script for Oxycontin within a week and have a constant supply for the rest of my short life if I wanted to. That said, I have no beef with those dying or those that experience true, chronic pain and take narcotics. Sure, narcotics kill the pain. However, they dull my mind, slow down my body, and take away what little drive, ambition, and energy this disease has left me with. Ill stick with Alieve and grit through the pain and suffering. Its worth the rewards. I come from a family of doctors and nurses. Its sickening the number of stories Ive heard of how many people are willing to fake pain in an emergency room just for their next fix. Those people can go fuck themselves as far as Im concered. Agreed - people shouldn't be wasting a doctors time in an ER to try and get painkillers for some fake "pain". But making narcotic painkillers more difficult to get for everyone isn't helping that problem; it makes it worse. It should be available OTC for people that really need those medications like yourself. It should also be OTC for the dopers and pillheads who just want to get high and abuse those drugs. Darwin will eventually find them. The freedom loving side of me agrees with you. The side of me that has lost faith in our population's ability to do anything in moderation disagrees. ETA.. My worry is the people who take someone else out earning their Darwin award. A coworker was rear ended by a drugged up bitch earler this year who was on a combination of Oxycontin and Lorazepam. Bitch barley knew what planet she was on. Understand. But freedom is inherently dangerous - there's always the risk that someone will abuse a freedom, act irresponsibly and inevitably harm someone else. It can happen when people are irresponsible with these kinds of painkillers as well as when they are irresponsible with booze, guns, cars, fireworks, or all sorts of other things. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:08:28 PM EDT
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Interestingly one of the markers for reimbursements under Zerocare is patient satisfaction and part of that is pain management. But when patient satisfaction goes down, they can pay the doctors and hospitals less, thus saving money. People are still in pain, but that's not on the federal bureaucrats' radar. They don't have to look the patients in the eye, or deal with a cut in pay. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:09:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryUnderstand. But freedom is inherently dangerous - there's always the risk that someone will abuse a freedom, act irresponsibly and inevitably harm someone else. It can happen when people are irresponsible with these kinds of painkillers as well as when they are irresponsible with booze, guns, cars, fireworks, or all sorts of other things The freedom side in my mind always wins, so I agree 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:19:30 PM EDT
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As someone who literally carries around bags and boxes of Schedule II-IV stuff, I think the culture of "diversion prevention" has done more to harm than good to pain control.
I deal with admin types who see diversion behind every smudged number on a narcotic count sheet, but wouldn't know an impaired provider if they passed out in the administration office in a pool of their own vomit. I went shooting with a few criminal defense attorneys last week. There's a joke somewhere in there about 3 lawyers taking a doctor into the desert for target shooting, but I digress.  They have clients with narcotics charges who have indeed turned to heroin because its availability and price are better than pills.
The real irony here is that narcotics laws across the world are a patchwork of some science and lots of public opinion. Heroin is Schedule I in the US, not allowed for clinical use. Overseas in the UK, there is a significant body of literature proving not only the safety of diacetylmorphine (H), but a better side effect and pain control profile. I can walk to the corner Walgreen's and buy capsules of Kava in the health supplement aisle here, but selling the stuff is criminal in the UK. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:19:32 PM EDT
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Some of our pillheads are sweating. Eventually, you will need to change the "Pillhead" label to "Heroin Addict"! Because that will be the only outcome of this BS. That and causing the "Law Abiding Citizens" 4X the office visits. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Eventually, you will need to change the "Pillhead" label to "Heroin Addict"! Because that will be the only outcome of this BS. That and causing the "Law Abiding Citizens" 4X the office visits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of our pillheads are sweating. Eventually, you will need to change the "Pillhead" label to "Heroin Addict"! Because that will be the only outcome of this BS. That and causing the "Law Abiding Citizens" 4X the office visits. It's already happening here. Because one numbskull doc was a prescription vending machine, everyone in the metro area with a controlled substance scrip is required to go back to their primary doc every 4 months instead of annually. Even if the dose is reasonable and stable. Oh, and undercover LE are swinging by doc offices to make sure they comply. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:23:29 PM EDT
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Fucking do gooders. Canadian drug stores are about to see a lot more business. I don't think you can buy opiates OTC anymore. Tylenol 3 is now a doctor prescribed drug and no longer available OTC. As for a prescription I think you have to get your physician to phone it in to the pharmacy to renew. I had 30 pills prescribed back in April and still have ~20 left but the doc said if I needed more just to call him. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:25:41 PM EDT
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So what was the street price on HCP's
2-3$ well now it's 10$ <-guessing not had close contact with dopers for a long time now |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:25:58 PM EDT
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The best part is that just north across the border, Tylenol with Codeine is OTC...some freedom around here these days.
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Can't call it in or fax it in. It has to be locked up and a second inventory is kept. Same schedule as morphine and methadone. There were 130 million scripts for it last year. Hassle I don't need for my job. The MDs are in favor of making a c2 but we pharmacists are not. The strongest opioid you can call in now is tylenol with codeine. Welcome to 1935.
Also, some states have NPs or PAs that cannot write for c2 prescriptions. The same as restricting firearms, doesn't do a damn bit of good. Bad guys gonna be bad whether legal or not.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:27:18 PM EDT
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You know that if one pays attention, things begin to fall into place. 8/18/14, Tramadol was just made a federally scheduled drug. It was previously a legend drug except in some states. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. You know that if one pays attention, things begin to fall into place. 8/18/14, Tramadol was just made a federally scheduled drug. It was previously a legend drug except in some states. They did what? 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:29:39 PM EDT
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Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I ran a poll one time and roughly 65% of arfKom responded that they took prescription opiates legally. This ruling will affect a significant portion of this site. You know you just won't be able to waltz into the apothecary and ask your druggist to call up Dr. Jones to refill your Norco. You will have to go down and wait in line to get a new handwritten copy every time. If your doc is cool with it (hint, he won't be now that this is a Deuce) he would be able to write you three separate rxs totaling a 90 day supply. Wow. It amazes me the number of people who regularly take narcotic pain pills. I try to avoid the damn things like the plauge. Alieve works well enough for ke. amazing they are often the same people that don't want you to smoke a doobie |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:30:35 PM EDT
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DP does not in any way get you high or relieve pain. No shit, I'm fat, not in pain |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:31:19 PM EDT
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Can't call it in or fax it in. It has to be locked up and a second inventory is kept. Same schedule as morphine and methadone. There were 130 million scripts for it last year. Hassle I don't need for my job. The MDs are in favor of making a c2 but we pharmacists are not. The strongest opioid you can call in now is tylenol with codeine. Welcome to 1935.
Also, some states have NPs or PAs that cannot write for c2 prescriptions. The same as restricting firearms, doesn't do a damn bit of good. Bad guys gonna be bad whether legal or not.
No. That changed a few years back. I bet H can be found in any City over 5k in less than 15min rural areas 60 min |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:34:45 PM EDT
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Meh, let them. Turning down drug seekers is a unique pleasure. Their little faces get so sad... 
This ruling might turn out to be a pain in the ass if I can't phone in scripts for vicodins anymore. Giving Tylenol #3 just means you get a call back later saying it still hurts. I was called for a burglary report where apparently someone broke into this gals house without forcing entry, passed up all the goodies in the bedroom, went into her bathroom, stole her pain meds (from among 15 undisturbed other bottles,) left the house, emptied the bottle into his pocket (or one of those big sacks they carry around with the dollar sign on the front) and absconded. Just two days after it was filled. 
They can get very creative. Dispatch can usually weed out the bogus ones and "pills fell down the sink" reports. Now I do feel bad for the legit ones whose relatives/kids/friends swipe their pain meds. That happens a lot. You can Google the threads on dope forums about "medicine cabinet scores" If you are a parent or have an elderly relative who is on pain meds, lock them up. "Sally heard Paul's friend Dave talking about about his grandfather who has cancer" is sometimes all it can take. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:37:28 PM EDT
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They can still buy Immodium and Prilosec though.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:37:42 PM EDT
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DP does not in any way get you high or relieve pain. No shit, I'm fat, not in pain 400-600mg/day. The fucking shit is literally poison so don't do it. Your eyes and bodily fluids will turn yellow, you will sweat like a pig, and after 3 days you will have a hard time summoning the energy to go to work. Watched a body building friend nearly kill himself from dehydration while taking the shit, so drink tons of water. Not sure why you brought DNP up in a thread about prescription narcotics though. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:39:04 PM EDT
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Conversely I actually know a practitioner who was impaired by an Ultram addiction. He got his shit straight and is back in the game now.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. You know that if one pays attention, things begin to fall into place. 8/18/14, Tramadol was just made a federally scheduled drug. It was previously a legend drug except in some states. So annoyed by the tramadol thing. It was so easy to get before and did wonders for my back pain. I don't know one person who's ever abused tramadol, which makes it even more annoying. Exactly. I've only rarely had a patient show any signs that were suggestive of drug-seeking behavior with tramadol. It's more feel-good restrictions that accomplish nothing. Conversely I actually know a practitioner who was impaired by an Ultram addiction. He got his shit straight and is back in the game now.Tramadol is certainly abusable. It's not supposed to be habit-forming either, but I was on it last year 5 times for 30+ day stints. I could see how it could easily be habit-forming. As far as C-4, he doesn't see much seeking behavior because 1. There is no street value tramadol. And 2. seekers are usually already addicted to opiates and tramadol, while a nice opiate-ish buzz, will not scratch the itch that opiate addicts have. Based on my experience, I think it does it's job, but your average low-dose opiate like a percocet or vicoden would accomplish the same thing. But Tramadol did give me an amazing boner that could go for hours.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:41:04 PM EDT
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You guys who think this is fine or think aleve is just as good dont know anything about real chronic pain. The DEA has been busting doctors balls so hard they arent prescribing shit. Chronic pain sufferers are living everyday in agony just because .gov is worried someone might get high. fucking ridiculous. Would it be wrong to hope the head of the DEA gets crippling arthritis? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:41:54 PM EDT
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep. Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:43:01 PM EDT
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Hydrocodone can be abused. Good restriction. That's pretty weak trolling,
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:43:49 PM EDT
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~ Tramadol is certainly abusable. It's not supposed to be habit-forming either, but I was on it last year 5 times for 30+ day stints. I could see how it could easily be habit-forming. As far as C-4, he doesn't see much seeking behavior because 1. There is no street value tramadol. And 2. seekers are usually already addicted to opiates and tramadol, while a nice opiate-ish buzz, will not scratch the itch that opiate addicts have. Based on my experience, I think it does it's job, but your average low-dose opiate like a percocet or vicoden would accomplish the same thing. But Tramadol did give me an amazing boner that could go for hours. Better hope it was less than 4. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:45:20 PM EDT
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Is it too late to change careers?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:46:12 PM EDT
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Is it too late to change careers? You count or cook
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:48:18 PM EDT
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Just because people will find other ways to self medicate or get high doesn't mean that making opiates better controlled is a bad decision. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:48:21 PM EDT
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You guys who think this is fine or think aleve is just as good dont know anything about real chronic pain. The DEA has been busting doctors balls so hard they arent prescribing shit. Chronic pain sufferers are living everyday in agony just because .gov is worried someone might get high. fucking ridiculous. Would it be wrong to hope the head of the DEA gets crippling arthritis? Nope. Wont do a damn bit of good though. I wouldnt doubt that he is sitting at home right now snorting a line of coke off a prostitues tits. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:50:45 PM EDT
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Fucking do gooders. Canadian drug stores are about to see a lot more business. Thats not how it works |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:51:48 PM EDT
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Obamacare is how they make more money. More doctor visits more money out the door, more filling fees etc.... Some one is making money somewhere, the government is one giant money scam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are making money on this. War on Drug$. Gotta be. I'm trying to figure how they make more money on this. Maybe through additional fees? In any case, it just makes it more cumbersome to prescribe those medications. It wastes more of my time without doing anything about drug diversion. While I agree it's a problem, this does absolutely nothing to fix it. Obamacare is how they make more money. More doctor visits more money out the door, more filling fees etc.... Some one is making money somewhere, the government is one giant money scam. Yup. I have to go see my Dr. every three months now instead of every 6 for my CII script. It's fucking stupid. We just talk abut how much obama sucks and the economy for 40 minutes. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:52:33 PM EDT
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They are up in this area. A large amount of the heroin in the US comes from Mexico so this should be good for the cartels' bottom line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Luckily cheap heroin is spreading like wildfire so no need to fret if you are a pill head. I imagine the number of overdose deaths will be on the rise also. They are up in this area. A large amount of the heroin in the US comes from Mexico so this should be good for the cartels' bottom line. It should be pretty obvious that our own top officials are on the cartel payroll......... |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:53:33 PM EDT
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I have four left from a script for twelve from several years ago. Had oral surgery. Am I a felon now? The bottle has my name and info on it but is a bit faded. I carry them with us when we travel along with Amoxycillin for a tooth that can give me trouble.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:54:58 PM EDT
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Fucking do gooders. Canadian drug stores are about to see a lot more business. Thats not how it works Paco and Tyrone laugh at your understanding of Ca vs the US Hood |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:55:35 PM EDT
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Too many pill freaks out there.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:55:49 PM EDT
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Not sure why you brought DNP up in a thread about prescription narcotics though. To point out there are far more dangerous drugs available OTC, where the line between therapeutic dose and death is very slim, and you can just… buy them. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:55:53 PM EDT
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Good. After being a patient of a pain management specialist, I can say most of the patients are obnoxious seekers, not those actually in pain. For one, you do not surf on your iPhone when in pain requiring opiates. You do not drink 40 ounce sodas when you are in sleep depriving pain. And you do not talk my fucking ear off when you are contemplating taking 300mg of diphenhydramine to sleep. Fuck all opiate seeking scumbags making it damn impossible to treat real, chronic pain. Thankfully the epidural cortisone in C6-7 worked perfectly the first time. No more appointments with fucked up pain clinic patients. Fucking scum of the earth. It is a damn miracle the physicians and staff were able to fix my problem, given the fucked up patients they must serve. If you could just buy it in a store, you wouldn't have to deal with those winners. 
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