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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:11:26 PM EDT
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Porn.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:12:40 PM EDT
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Reading the answer off a page is different than actually learning.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:17:20 PM EDT
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exactly. i came here looking for how to take apart a cheap reflex sight and couldnt find anyhting so i figured it out for myself. once i test it and get pics i may have created a cheap alternative to aimpoint eotech and trijicon!
muahahaha i will ruin these companies!! 
joking 
this will be just a fun plinking tool and taking out the occasional predator on the back 40 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:20:25 PM EDT
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The summer of 1969 included the Moon Walk, Manson Murders, Woodstock, Zodiac Killings, and Hurricane Camille
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:22:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: The internet is a wonderful resource, everyone in this country has a resource in google alone that can link to the answer of just about any question asked. Instead of getting smarter from easy access to this massive quantity of information, I really thing the average American is dumber today than in 1995. Is it possible the easy access to answers has removed the ability to critically think in a large segment of the population, or is the internet just exposing me to more dipshits that have always been there, just out of sight pre-internet? IMHO this, along with crappy education to start with (in many parts of the country), lack of personal responsibility, lack of attention spans, everyone is a winner, immediate gratification, etc... combining into a super-storm of ignorance. And it's not just on the web - I see many out in the wild.  |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:24:12 PM EDT
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I like money
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:35:38 PM EDT
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I think not.
The internet age has radically reduced the amount of BS people can get away with, so people seem less knowledgeable, but in fact people are way better informed than they were before the internet. Now we have self-selection bias to deal with though, on much larger scales, and a lot of the institutions that held society together are breaking down because it only takes a few minutes with google to debunk their basis, which is traumatic even if it's a good thing long term. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:44:13 PM EDT
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FPIA
First post is awesome |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The summer of 1969 included the Moon Walk, Manson Murders, Woodstock, Zodiac Killings, and Hurricane Camille You forgot: The Last time the Federal Government had a Budget Surplus. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:56:11 PM EDT
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The Internet, proving everything you ever knew was a lie in the most dickheaded ways possible.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:00:31 PM EDT
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Quoted:
The internet is a wonderful resource, everyone in this country has a resource in google alone that can link to the answer of just about any question asked. Instead of getting smarter from easy access to this massive quantity of information, I really thing the average American is dumber today than in 1995. Is it possible the easy access to answers has removed the ability to critically think in a large segment of the population, or is the internet just exposing me to more dipshits that have always been there, just out of sight pre-internet? it's resulted in a bunch of idiots thinking they are in the know, and can pass judgement on a lot things. ideologies built on sound bytes and gossip. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:03:06 PM EDT
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Ppl r braindead.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:04:55 PM EDT
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I like money I can't believe you like money too. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:06:55 PM EDT
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GD would be empty if everyone googled.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:07:13 PM EDT
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The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:07:29 PM EDT
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It is "dumbing" us down. People are lazy by nature and want an answer but don't want to earn and learn the answer.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it's resulted in a bunch of idiots thinking they are in the know, and can pass judgement on a lot things. ideologies built on sound bytes and gossip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The internet is a wonderful resource, everyone in this country has a resource in google alone that can link to the answer of just about any question asked. Instead of getting smarter from easy access to this massive quantity of information, I really thing the average American is dumber today than in 1995. Is it possible the easy access to answers has removed the ability to critically think in a large segment of the population, or is the internet just exposing me to more dipshits that have always been there, just out of sight pre-internet? it's resulted in a bunch of idiots thinking they are in the know, and can pass judgement on a lot things. ideologies built on sound bytes and gossip. When I first discovered google years ago, I thought a lot like OP that the next generation will have untold of knowledge in their hands. This was even before mobile Internet was a thing. The problem isn't reading. The problem is that most people post and not enough read. Yes I see my post count.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:11:27 PM EDT
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The internet is a wonderful resource, everyone in this country has a resource in google alone that can link to the answer of just about any question asked. Instead of getting smarter from easy access to this massive quantity of information, I really thing the average American is dumber today than in 1995. Is it possible the easy access to answers has removed the ability to critically think in a large segment of the population, or is the internet just exposing me to more dipshits that have always been there, just out of sight pre-internet? Just because we have the internet which can be used as a great tool for research and reference doesn't mean people will use it for anything more than funny cat videos. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:17:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: The internet is a wonderful resource, everyone in this country has a resource in google alone that can link to the answer of just about any question asked. Instead of getting smarter from easy access to this massive quantity of information, I really thing the average American is dumber today than in 1995. Is it possible the easy access to answers has removed the ability to critically think in a large segment of the population, or is the internet just exposing me to more dipshits that have always been there, just out of sight pre-internet? Quick, get off the net before it's too late! The world is full of morons, we are just more exposed to them now. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:19:43 PM EDT
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I'd do an LMGTFY for you but I'm too dumb to figger it out.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:21:54 PM EDT
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Go away. 'Bating.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:23:54 PM EDT
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Go away. 'Bating.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:36:22 PM EDT
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According to the internet, every Subaru 2.5l will blow its head gasket. Why? Because posting that your head gasket didn't blow doesn't make a thread and you have no motivation. It didn't stop me from buying a great old utility car for a song.
So I don't really know. I do know that the highly selective sample I work with are bright, self motivated, and engaged. I haven't seen a decline in the last decade anyways. The real independent problem solvers have always been rare. While obviously your chance of running into one type or another is just related to the proportion, the more you sample the more you interact with people of each type. When the proportion is low, you interact with a lot more people of the other type. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:37:25 PM EDT
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Are we talking about millions of people dumping ice water over their heads?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:43:48 PM EDT
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The problem is low information (strictly) mobile app users combined with the feedback loops that develop inside of insulated like minded groups (in places like Facebook).
With the right data (which has a price), you can program and play those folks like lemmings. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:44:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn.
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The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:50:00 PM EDT
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Being able to google anything is like being able to use a calculator in basic math class.
It makes it easier to do a lot, but you remember nada. Formative years teach youngsters how to problem solve and troubleshoot. Skills they don't seem to be learning with every answer at their fingertips. Frustration and failure are excellent tools for learning, most remembered lessons were painful. ETA: I love youtube, for the record. I can find out how to do damn near anything I would have otherwise paid someone else to do. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:51:12 PM EDT
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Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn. Quoted:
The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. Learning and retention are not synonymous. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:52:00 PM EDT
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OWWW, my ballls!!!!
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:53:06 PM EDT
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People say it don't be like it is but it do.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:16:01 PM EDT
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Learning and retention are not synonymous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn. Quoted:
The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. Learning and retention are not synonymous. I guess I'm having a hard time putting together where people are going with this. Trucking to the library and looking up stuff in the Dewey Decimal card catalog, going over and photocopying a stack of them, and not finding half the shit you need is not learning. The more information you can gain access to, the more you can learn. You can't retain stuff if you aren't exposed to it. No educator is going to tell you that reading is the best way to retain stuff for all students. And, there is plenty of reading to do in google results, all the way down to PDFs of primary literature. Maybe a better case can be made that they aren't looking for it, as others said, and instead find only distractions. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. I think it has more to do with people being dumber, and spreading dumber stuff. Lots of pseudoscience, myths, bullshit ect. There is a lot more information but a lot of that is mis-information. People can no longer discern between what's real and what's not. A lot of what's not is now taught in schools. Another reality is that science has lost credibility. The fake science shows and fake news shows have dumbed people down more than the interweb. People jump from fad to fad and the web makes it even easier. Gluten is now a new catch word, even though it is just fine for the majority of the population that does not have celiac disease. If you go to the mayo clinic web site it even states that, yet people still claim "low gluten" diets have some kind of benefit. That's just one sample of the light speed of stupid. There are others but you get the idea. I've become more capable and independent with the ability to gleen the web for information but then I have a background and ability to filter out bullshit and recognize what's real and valid. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'm having a hard time putting together where people are going with this. Trucking to the library and looking up stuff in the Dewey Decimal card catalog, going over and photocopying a stack of them, and not finding half the shit you need is not learning. The more information you can gain access to, the more you can learn. You can't retain stuff if you aren't exposed to it. No educator is going to tell you that reading is the best way to retain stuff for all students. And, there is plenty of reading to do in google results, all the way down to PDFs of primary literature. Maybe a better case can be made that they aren't looking for it, as others said, and instead find only distractions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn. Quoted: The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. Learning and retention are not synonymous. I guess I'm having a hard time putting together where people are going with this. Trucking to the library and looking up stuff in the Dewey Decimal card catalog, going over and photocopying a stack of them, and not finding half the shit you need is not learning. The more information you can gain access to, the more you can learn. You can't retain stuff if you aren't exposed to it. No educator is going to tell you that reading is the best way to retain stuff for all students. And, there is plenty of reading to do in google results, all the way down to PDFs of primary literature. Maybe a better case can be made that they aren't looking for it, as others said, and instead find only distractions. I agree. I find information I need quickly and remember it just fine. I do more reading now than ever, and the topic quality is much better. But I'm able to find what I need quickly and bypass the rest. When I'm looking for something with a friend I frequently have to tell them to quit reading because that's not what we are looking for. It's like they can't determine what's relevant to whatever problem we are trying to solve, and look at everything, or else stop looking at the first thing. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:33:26 PM EDT
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I think not. The internet age has radically reduced the amount of BS people can get away with, so people seem less knowledgeable, but in fact people are way better informed than they were before the internet. Now we have self-selection bias to deal with though, on much larger scales, and a lot of the institutions that held society together are breaking down because it only takes a few minutes with google to debunk their basis, which is traumatic even if it's a good thing long term. Interesting take I know that the internet makes access to information rapid, broad and easy. I replaced the wheel bearing on my car after spending a minute googling, 5 minutes watching, then it took 30 minutes to complete the job, with the right tools sitting there waiting to be employed. I the old days, ( 70's,80's, when I liked working on them), it would have been: call around and see if someone you know has the book for that year/body style, or go to the library and photocopy the pages you need for 10 cents a page, or break down and buy the Chiltons if it was a keeper car, then spend an hour or two trying to decipher WTF they meant when they wrote it, the spend the afternoon beating your head against it, trying to find the right tools and so on. Now, youtube video, done. Same with AR's; I ramped up fast thanks to this site once I jumped in. But I also feel that the internet prevents me, at least, and probably a lot of other people, from being as well informed, well rounded and exposed to a broad spectrum of information. I used to read the Newspaper and Magazines front to back, and absorb a lot of info I wasn't necessarily looking for, but stumbled into and found interesting. Now, search engines keep me focused on a narrow set of interests and I have to consciously search out other sources of news and information to try to maintain perspective. The internet has to a degree, both united and isolated us. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:38:40 PM EDT
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I agree. I find information I need quickly and remember it just fine. I do more reading now than ever, and the topic quality is much better. But I'm able to find what I need quickly and bypass the rest. When I'm looking for something with a friend I frequently have to tell them to quit reading because that's not what we are looking for. It's like they can't determine what's relevant to whatever problem we are trying to solve, and look at everything, or else stop looking at the first thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure, learning by doing is different than learning from others, but the rest of this stuff sounds like nonsense. The quicker you can get to a piece of information you are looking for, the more of them you get to, and the more you learn. Quoted:
The internet is dumbing people down. It used to be that if you wanted to find out about something, you had to READ shit. Nowadays, you don't have to read. There's a video for that. School books come with videos now. And a bunch of other media. Reading is not the premier learning vehicle for all students. Diagrams are extremely effective for many, and many do best writing spoken words. Learning and retention are not synonymous. I guess I'm having a hard time putting together where people are going with this. Trucking to the library and looking up stuff in the Dewey Decimal card catalog, going over and photocopying a stack of them, and not finding half the shit you need is not learning. The more information you can gain access to, the more you can learn. You can't retain stuff if you aren't exposed to it. No educator is going to tell you that reading is the best way to retain stuff for all students. And, there is plenty of reading to do in google results, all the way down to PDFs of primary literature. Maybe a better case can be made that they aren't looking for it, as others said, and instead find only distractions. I agree. I find information I need quickly and remember it just fine. I do more reading now than ever, and the topic quality is much better. But I'm able to find what I need quickly and bypass the rest. When I'm looking for something with a friend I frequently have to tell them to quit reading because that's not what we are looking for. It's like they can't determine what's relevant to whatever problem we are trying to solve, and look at everything, or else stop looking at the first thing. Yeah, I literally can't imagine going back to how it was when I started grad school. Hell even the stuff in Wiki is becoming really pretty well vetted in my field. There are literally tons of incredible resources on the net for scientists who are practicing science. I guess I may be blurring some lines because I can go through a university library system as well. A savvy student can now sit at home and do graduate level research through extensive electronic databases of primary literature and pull the citations straight into their references without even typing them. For me that completely streamlined the publication process and the increased pace without having to stop and dig through stacks really helps you keep your thoughts stringing together more clearly. I remember when we didn't have this, for example. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/ |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:44:50 PM EDT
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The anonymity of the internet makes it easier to see.
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