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Posted: 8/21/2014 3:40:00 PM EDT
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Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so. Transistor count != processing power. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so. Transistor count != processing power. Integrated Circuits are the core of modern processors. The better they become the more advance processing power PCs and other devices become. Baxter is at heart a PC. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:44:15 PM EDT
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Transistor count != processing power. Integrated Circuits are the core of modern processors. The better they become the more advance processing power PCs and other devices become. Baxter is at heart a PC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so. Transistor count != processing power. Integrated Circuits are the core of modern processors. The better they become the more advance processing power PCs and other devices become. Baxter is at heart a PC. He's saying you misunderstand Moore's Law. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:51:19 PM EDT
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Karl Marx said the same thing back in the day.
Automated production creates even more jobs than it replaces, however the skills required to design, build and support those systems are significantly more difficult to obtain. Don't play into the communist propaganda... |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:51:49 PM EDT
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He's saying you misunderstand Moore's Law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so. Transistor count != processing power. Integrated Circuits are the core of modern processors. The better they become the more advance processing power PCs and other devices become. Baxter is at heart a PC. He's saying you misunderstand Moore's Law. All technology improves over time, Moore's law is just the most famous example. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:55:50 PM EDT
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Now when the 'automation' are robots that are generic and can do most any physical activity a human can do - but for longer, under worse conditions, with the same attention to detail every time, with no need for OSHA, they don't strike, and can work 24/7. The perfect slave. Why bother with a human? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think to believe that automation will lead to significant increases in unemployment demonstrates a considerable lack of imagination. Now when the 'automation' are robots that are generic and can do most any physical activity a human can do - but for longer, under worse conditions, with the same attention to detail every time, with no need for OSHA, they don't strike, and can work 24/7. The perfect slave. Why bother with a human? I remember that Star Trek Next Generation episode. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 4:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Karl Marx said the same thing back in the day. Automated production creates even more jobs than it replaces, however the skills required to design, build and support those systems are significantly more difficult to obtain. Don't play into the communist propaganda... Once again... Marx is a fuckinf idiot. Secondly, the issue here is the mass replacement to employees with automation. What do we do we a high unemployed or under employed population? I'm looking at this from the Capitalist view point. What do we really do? Sure, we can get jobs still in the future but what will those jobs be? I'm all for adapt or die. Except every previous change in an industry or economy has been with people. Cars replaced horses. So blacksmiths and stable owners had to adapt to the market. Industrialization changed farming practices, etc... never in the histiry of the world has man been able to replace man with mechanical slaves. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:06:36 PM EDT
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:11:01 PM EDT
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So, we need better humans too, then.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:11:11 PM EDT
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:13:11 PM EDT
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There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. Yeah right. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:23:11 PM EDT
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Once again... Marx is a fuckinf idiot. Secondly, the issue here is the mass replacement to employees with automation. What do we do we a high unemployed or under employed population? I'm looking at this from the Capitalist view point. What do we really do? Sure, we can get jobs still in the future but what will those jobs be? I'm all for adapt or die. Except every previous change in an industry or economy has been with people. Cars replaced horses. So blacksmiths and stable owners had to adapt to the market. Industrialization changed farming practices, etc... never in the histiry of the world has man been able to replace man with mechanical slaves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Karl Marx said the same thing back in the day. Automated production creates even more jobs than it replaces, however the skills required to design, build and support those systems are significantly more difficult to obtain. Don't play into the communist propaganda... Once again... Marx is a fuckinf idiot. Secondly, the issue here is the mass replacement to employees with automation. What do we do we a high unemployed or under employed population? I'm looking at this from the Capitalist view point. What do we really do? Sure, we can get jobs still in the future but what will those jobs be? I'm all for adapt or die. Except every previous change in an industry or economy has been with people. Cars replaced horses. So blacksmiths and stable owners had to adapt to the market. Industrialization changed farming practices, etc... never in the histiry of the world has man been able to replace man with mechanical slaves. The population needs to be able to adapt, that's what. Take a look at the average American youth today. Do you think this country is headed in the right direction? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:24:38 PM EDT
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Once again... Marx is a fuckinf idiot. Secondly, the issue here is the mass replacement to employees with automation. What do we do we a high unemployed or under employed population? I'm looking at this from the Capitalist view point. What do we really do? Sure, we can get jobs still in the future but what will those jobs be? I'm all for adapt or die. Except every previous change in an industry or economy has been with people. Cars replaced horses. So blacksmiths and stable owners had to adapt to the market. Industrialization changed farming practices, etc... never in the histiry of the world has man been able to replace man with mechanical slaves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Karl Marx said the same thing back in the day. Automated production creates even more jobs than it replaces, however the skills required to design, build and support those systems are significantly more difficult to obtain. Don't play into the communist propaganda... Once again... Marx is a fuckinf idiot. Secondly, the issue here is the mass replacement to employees with automation. What do we do we a high unemployed or under employed population? I'm looking at this from the Capitalist view point. What do we really do? Sure, we can get jobs still in the future but what will those jobs be? I'm all for adapt or die. Except every previous change in an industry or economy has been with people. Cars replaced horses. So blacksmiths and stable owners had to adapt to the market. Industrialization changed farming practices, etc... never in the histiry of the world has man been able to replace man with mechanical slaves. Adapt and overcome  cuz
Life's a bitch 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 5:51:28 PM EDT
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If that "Baxter" robot comes to take my job, I'm going to shoot him in his electronic face. Motherfucker. Take that. Then all the other robots can go on a rampage and loot and rob and burn things and demand "justice."
On a more serious note - not that the above wasn't serious - the video is sobering, to say the least...and I don't even drink. There may be a time in the not too distant future when most of us are obsolete. There aren't many jobs that a highly trained computer can't do. Soldier? Bot can do that. Fireman? Bot can do that, too. Doctor? Bot. Architect? Bot. Jack Booted Thug cop? Bot. Nurse bot. Barrista bot. Truck driver bot. I don't know. About the only industry that I can think of that might be able to absorb tens of millions of displaced/obsolete workers is the porn industry and even that is iffy. Porn wages would be driven down, but that's the price of progress. Too proud to suck a dick? Not gay enough? Yeah, well, after a few weeks of starvation we'll see how proud you are. It doesn't matter how old or fat or ugly you are: there's always a porn niche and people who will pay to watch you suck a dick. It might even be a robot's dick. It doesn't matter: some pervert will want to watch it. That's free market capitalism. Resent being forced to suck robot dick on the Internet just to pay the bills? Then you're a Marxist twat. Comrade. Now, that's for you people. As for me? I'm going to start my own religious cult ala JIm Jones and David Koresh. The whole religious cult market is sort of the low hanging fruit in this economic holocaust scenario. Sure, there'll be robot cult leaders, but they won't have my charisma. I'll do just fine. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:14:44 PM EDT
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And the robot can measure the ingredients and test it so you get a far more consistent cup of Joe. So yes they could detect if the beans were rancid - all it takes is added the appropriate sensors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see a robot problem solve a complex issue in a cost-effective manner. Thanks for filling my coffee cup, Baxter. Now what about the fact that the coffee tastes bad because the beans are rancid? Baxter won't know shit. He'll just keep making bad coffee. Your mad at the wrong machine, Baxter just brews the coffee. The machine that roast and grinds the coffee, or packages it, or puts it on the self is the one who screwed up. As far as cost effective, just get another bag of coffee, what else would you do? And the robot can measure the ingredients and test it so you get a far more consistent cup of Joe. So yes they could detect if the beans were rancid - all it takes is added the appropriate sensors. http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/9nzwjt/vessyl-digital-cup 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:35:43 PM EDT
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good video, homie. poor horses 
we horses soon.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:38:39 PM EDT
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When a robot learns how to remodel a house and do trim carpentry I'll be worried.
Until then all the auto worker union retards can shit their collective drawers. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:41:01 PM EDT
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Baxter is the beginning of automation. Moore's Law states that processing power exponentially grows every 18 months to two years or so. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Transistor_Count_and_Moore's_Law_-_2011.svg/1139px-Transistor_Count_and_Moore's_Law_-_2011.svg.png the other revolution will be the biotechnical one. Moore's law is a handicapped kid in a wheelchair compared to the rate of decrease in price of genomic sequencing 
soon we will be drilling down w/ higher & higher resolution on our genome, analogous to the new Google Earth satellite images able 10 cm pixels. a lot of gnashing of teeth & fingers in ears will ensue. DNA Sequencing: Beating Moore's Law since 2008 |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:52:27 PM EDT
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The population needs to be able to adapt, that's what. Take a look at the average American youth today. Do you think this country is headed in the right direction? Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html#ixzz3B4bAqSoG |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html#ixzz3B4bAqSoG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The population needs to be able to adapt, that's what. Take a look at the average American youth today. Do you think this country is headed in the right direction? Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html#ixzz3B4bAqSoG |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:47:05 PM EDT
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Human obsolescence on the horizon? Better implement a command economy to fix this problem; we can't trust the free market to solve it!
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:32:28 AM EDT
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Interesting Video
I solve a wide variety of different Engineering problems for a living. I'm not too worried that my job will become automated..I see that happening a very long ways off into the future if at all. If it does happen earlier, it's moot to me. I am planning on retiring in about 10 years. One thing for sure, technology has come an awful long ways in the past 40 years. And I think its only the beginning of things rapidly changing. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:15:32 AM EDT
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Automation eliminates a lot of the repetitive, dangerous, easily replicated work that humans perform. Reduce your staff, increase quality, reduce injuries, etc...
It's not always cost effective though, automation is a BIG expense up front. And not all tasks are suited to it. We are also FAR from pushing the human out. Complex systems take a lot of maintenance and attention. Better be getting some skills and knowledge though. What it will be and is doing is reducing the number of unskilled / non-trade / non-professional jobs. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:36:25 AM EDT
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IMO labor isnt the sole purpose for the existence of people. since the beginning of human civlization the soul of invention was to decrease the amount of labor people have to do to produce stuff. So people could prodcue more stuff for the same amount of effort. The time when humans have succeded in creating machines to do 70-90% of the work they once had to do is the day when humans will be truely free from the mundane necissities of life.
For instance the invention of the tractor allowed one farmer to do in a day what would have taken 10,000 farmers with 10,000 horse drawn plows to do. Does that mean that there are fewer people now? No. there are 250,000,000 more people now than there was then in this country. Then over 80% of the population were farmers, now less than 20% are. Should people still be farmers despite the fact that they no longer have to be? The average human lives as only kings and queens once could now in this country. Lots of people are disgusted by fat people. To me it is a beautiful thing. Only royalty could be fat 150 years ago. Do you realize that all of these fat people are going to breed huge brained giants? They fucking will. That is the whole point of human progress to get fat and have a bunch of kids who will have bigger bodies and larger, more efficent brains. It isnt to make money. It is to be free of the need for money. Imagine the day when the entire manufacturing process is animated. Imagine the day when the entire food production system is automated. That will be the day when people are no longer slaves to the mundane. People will be free to do whatever they like. They will be more than royalty, they will be gods. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:26:21 AM EDT
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Automation keeps me employed
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:29:13 AM EDT
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The population needs to be able to adapt, that's what. Take a look at the average American youth today. Do you think this country is headed in the right direction? Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html#ixzz3B4bAqSoG Definitely not fast food lol, The biggest reason for average IQ scores dropping is the assumption of not needing to remember facts when we have greater access to information through the internet (google, yahoo, etc.) and how easy it is to access information (laptop, tablet, smartphone, etc.). It's the attitude of, "Why do I need to know something when I can look it up on my smartphone through the internet?" |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:44:55 AM EDT
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Automation keeps me employed This. I've spent my entire career trying to automate myself out of a job. At each stage there is some higher-level more abstract thing to automate. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect. I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. Yeah right. All of the things you listed can be designed around automated processes phasing out "traditional" methods. Or does the boat you're talking about still have guys scooping shovels full of coal into the boilers... |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:21:42 AM EDT
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You know what job robots won't be good at for a long time?
Being infantry.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:50:00 PM EDT
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You don't pay much attention to design and technology do you? All of the things you listed can be designed around automated processes phasing out "traditional" methods. Or does the boat you're talking about still have guys scooping shovels full of coal into the boilers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. Yeah right.
All of the things you listed can be designed around automated processes phasing out "traditional" methods. Or does the boat you're talking about still have guys scooping shovels full of coal into the boilers... Kids have told me Lego boats don't hold up too well in rough seas.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:53:05 PM EDT
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Kids have told me Lego boats don't hold up too well in rough seas.
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. There's no reason a robot can't be designed to do those things. It's just a question of whether it's economical. Yeah right.
All of the things you listed can be designed around automated processes phasing out "traditional" methods. Or does the boat you're talking about still have guys scooping shovels full of coal into the boilers... Kids have told me Lego boats don't hold up too well in rough seas.
Because robots can't weld. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:04:44 PM EDT
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Because robots can't weld.
A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts.
ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:22:23 PM EDT
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Robots have to be "taught" If they were not taught correctly, you had a high speed idiot |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:33:30 PM EDT
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http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/9a/07/b39a07357d65ece0eaf7a449f0e2c4f5.jpg Robots have to be "taught" If they were not taught correctly, you had a high speed idiot Wrong. Evolutionary algorithms. A computer can now learn, if the developer wants them to. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:37:25 PM EDT
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snip Because robots can't weld.
A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts.
ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/PHOTOS%20vignettes/corrosion%20lower%20unit.gif Your belief that such a thing can't be done is charmingly naive. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:38:48 PM EDT
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snip Because robots can't weld.
A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts.
ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/PHOTOS%20vignettes/corrosion%20lower%20unit.gif Your belief that such a thing can't be done is charmingly naive. So is thinking it will before the sun burns out,  You guys watch too many Transformer movies.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:42:42 PM EDT
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Should I switch my major from Accounting to CS?
Or maybe Computer Psychology for when the bots start getting depressed about their repetitive jobs? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:57:19 PM EDT
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So is thinking it will before the sun burns out, You guys watch too many Transformer movies.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip Because robots can't weld.
A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts.
ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/PHOTOS%20vignettes/corrosion%20lower%20unit.gif Your belief that such a thing can't be done is charmingly naive. So is thinking it will before the sun burns out, You guys watch too many Transformer movies.Some of us just grasp the compounding growth of technology. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 4:58:24 PM EDT
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Should I switch my major from Accounting to CS? Or maybe Computer Psychology for when the bots start getting depressed about their repetitive jobs? Physics. We'll meed better EMP weapons to defeat Skynet. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:09:16 PM EDT
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IMO labor isnt the sole purpose for the existence of people. since the beginning of human civlization the soul of invention was to decrease the amount of labor people have to do to produce stuff. So people could prodcue more stuff for the same amount of effort. The time when humans have succeded in creating machines to do 70-90% of the work they once had to do is the day when humans will be truely free from the mundane necissities of life. For instance the invention of the tractor allowed one farmer to do in a day what would have taken 10,000 farmers with 10,000 horse drawn plows to do. Does that mean that there are fewer people now? No. there are 250,000,000 more people now than there was then in this country. Then over 80% of the population were farmers, now less than 20% are. Should people still be farmers despite the fact that they no longer have to be? The average human lives as only kings and queens once could now in this country. Lots of people are disgusted by fat people. To me it is a beautiful thing. Only royalty could be fat 150 years ago. Do you realize that all of these fat people are going to breed huge brained giants? They fucking will. That is the whole point of human progress to get fat and have a bunch of kids who will have bigger bodies and larger, more efficent brains. It isnt to make money. It is to be free of the need for money. Imagine the day when the entire manufacturing process is animated. Imagine the day when the entire food production system is automated. That will be the day when people are no longer slaves to the mundane. People will be free to do whatever they like. They will be more than royalty, they will be gods. I can't tell if you're serious or not. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:22:46 PM EDT
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IMO labor isnt the sole purpose for the existence of people. since the beginning of human civlization the soul of invention was to decrease the amount of labor people have to do to produce stuff. So people could prodcue more stuff for the same amount of effort. The time when humans have succeded in creating machines to do 70-90% of the work they once had to do is the day when humans will be truely free from the mundane necissities of life. For instance the invention of the tractor allowed one farmer to do in a day what would have taken 10,000 farmers with 10,000 horse drawn plows to do. Does that mean that there are fewer people now? No. there are 250,000,000 more people now than there was then in this country. Then over 80% of the population were farmers, now less than 20% are. Should people still be farmers despite the fact that they no longer have to be? The average human lives as only kings and queens once could now in this country. Lots of people are disgusted by fat people. To me it is a beautiful thing. Only royalty could be fat 150 years ago. Do you realize that all of these fat people are going to breed huge brained giants? They fucking will. That is the whole point of human progress to get fat and have a bunch of kids who will have bigger bodies and larger, more efficent brains. It isnt to make money. It is to be free of the need for money. Imagine the day when the entire manufacturing process is animated. Imagine the day when the entire food production system is automated. That will be the day when people are no longer slaves to the mundane. People will be free to do whatever they like. They will be more than royalty, they will be gods. The problem is that the people who own the machines have no incentive to provide support for the population when they no longer provide a useful service to owner. It would be unprecedented in human history. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:24:17 PM EDT
[#43]
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I can't tell if you're serious or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO labor isnt the sole purpose for the existence of people. since the beginning of human civlization the soul of invention was to decrease the amount of labor people have to do to produce stuff. So people could prodcue more stuff for the same amount of effort. The time when humans have succeded in creating machines to do 70-90% of the work they once had to do is the day when humans will be truely free from the mundane necissities of life. For instance the invention of the tractor allowed one farmer to do in a day what would have taken 10,000 farmers with 10,000 horse drawn plows to do. Does that mean that there are fewer people now? No. there are 250,000,000 more people now than there was then in this country. Then over 80% of the population were farmers, now less than 20% are. Should people still be farmers despite the fact that they no longer have to be? The average human lives as only kings and queens once could now in this country. Lots of people are disgusted by fat people. To me it is a beautiful thing. Only royalty could be fat 150 years ago. Do you realize that all of these fat people are going to breed huge brained giants? They fucking will. That is the whole point of human progress to get fat and have a bunch of kids who will have bigger bodies and larger, more efficent brains. It isnt to make money. It is to be free of the need for money. Imagine the day when the entire manufacturing process is animated. Imagine the day when the entire food production system is automated. That will be the day when people are no longer slaves to the mundane. People will be free to do whatever they like. They will be more than royalty, they will be gods. I can't tell if you're serious or not. Oh, he's serious. He's also smoking crack. When people free themselves from fighting nature, they free themselves to fight with each other. When nature is no longer a challenge to dominate, people become the object of domination. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 3:52:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kids have told me Lego boats don't hold up too well in rough seas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't pay much attention to design and technology do you? All of the things you listed can be designed around automated processes phasing out "traditional" methods. Or does the boat you're talking about still have guys scooping shovels full of coal into the boilers... Kids have told me Lego boats don't hold up too well in rough seas. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:12:41 AM EDT
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How wide spread is Baxter?
If I was a young man I would not become a truck driver, unions will fight the automation, but I think that will be a losing battle The lawyer stuff they talk about is just scutt work that associates do at large law firms. Although I think a robot could write a decent brief someday. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:17:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is thinking it will before the sun burns out, You guys watch too many Transformer movies.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: snip Because robots can't weld. A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts. ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/PHOTOS%20vignettes/corrosion%20lower%20unit.gif Your belief that such a thing can't be done is charmingly naive. So is thinking it will before the sun burns out, You guys watch too many Transformer movies. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:21:39 AM EDT
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snip Because robots can't weld.
A lot of boats are made of fiberglass, molded in two main pieces then assembled permanently to the point it takes a human contortionist to manipulate the tools and install parts. It would take one hell of a robot with a big tool box to replicate what one man with experience and skills can do. Especially after corrosion/heat ect. work their magic on nuts and bolts.
ETA: Here you go robot. an easy job for today. Re-seal this drive and put in a water pump. It's hanging on a boat at 1234 Mockingbird lane on a lift. Oh, the customer says his bow light doesn't work sometimes and one of the thru-hulls may have a leak too. http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/PHOTOS%20vignettes/corrosion%20lower%20unit.gif lol that's cute |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:49:41 AM EDT
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I would love to see a robot do a re-power or complete overhaul on a pair of diesel boat engines. Or replace a bilge pump..or do fiberglass structural work..or install a radar..or swap out a prop shaft & wheel in the water...ect.
I just need a robot to go fetch tools/parts and I will be all set. Must have big 'ol boobies though to apply. Give it enough time and they will be able to do more than you can even fathom. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:33:17 AM EDT
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If that "Baxter" robot comes to take my job, I'm going to shoot him in his electronic face. Motherfucker. Take that. Then all the other robots can go on a rampage and loot and rob and burn things and demand "justice." On a more serious note - not that the above wasn't serious - the video is sobering, to say the least...and I don't even drink. There may be a time in the not too distant future when most of us are obsolete. There aren't many jobs that a highly trained computer can't do. Soldier? Bot can do that. Fireman? Bot can do that, too. Doctor? Bot. Architect? Bot. Jack Booted Thug cop? Bot. Nurse bot. Barrista bot. Truck driver bot. I don't know. About the only industry that I can think of that might be able to absorb tens of millions of displaced/obsolete workers is the porn industry and even that is iffy. Porn wages would be driven down, but that's the price of progress. Too proud to suck a dick? Not gay enough? Yeah, well, after a few weeks of starvation we'll see how proud you are. It doesn't matter how old or fat or ugly you are: there's always a porn niche and people who will pay to watch you suck a dick. It might even be a robot's dick. It doesn't matter: some pervert will want to watch it. That's free market capitalism. Resent being forced to suck robot dick on the Internet just to pay the bills? Then you're a Marxist twat. Comrade. Now, that's for you people. As for me? I'm going to start my own religious cult ala JIm Jones and David Koresh. The whole religious cult market is sort of the low hanging fruit in this economic holocaust scenario. Sure, there'll be robot cult leaders, but they won't have my charisma. I'll do just fine.
Why do you think you'll need humans to make porn? CGI gets better every day. |
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:21:17 AM EDT
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As for what someone mentioned about American's testing lower and getting "stupider". Just for giggles, factor out the floods of illegals breaking into the nation, and factor out the ghettos diverse urban areas and I'm curious what the test results would then be.
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