You need to read that article I posted a couple posts above yours to get the run down on what Carter's CIA was doing in southern Africa!

Yeah, you're living in a messed up situation if you need to carry heavy to go into town. Not in case you might get mugged, but because you might get ambushed.

That is rapidly becoming our future.


Arm yourself accordingly.

Those look like shotguns or big game rifles.  I would think, depending on how remote one lived, that kind of firepower would be pretty standard for anyone even before the communists started attacking people.  I certainly wouldn't want to be caught in remote Africa unarmed just because of the wildlife.


For the 2 legged problems I would prefer something with a detachable magazine.    Which makes me believe that picture was just a normal part of daily life before terrorists attacks.  But hey I've been wrong before.

Good history on Rhodesia

http://www.rhodesia.me.uk/

Thanks to this thread I have a FAL on the way. You bastards

This thread is actually justification to buy a PTR-91.

Buy both

 

Already have the FAL.

Well...................If you want to get a bit more authentic than a PTR FMP did import a rifle (Not sure if it's pre ban or post) but they can be had at a reasonable price.

 

Yep, expensive thread.

Bout to get more expensive.

Communism in America goes back much, much further than that.

It's still amazing to me how they could operate so openly and make such sweeping changes to our country to this day, without so much as a peep from the people who are paying the price.

Hell, we even elected one of them to the highest office in the land, accompanied by worshipful applause.

Threads like this make me sick and sad.

And very, very angry...

Trust me, the majority of my free time is dedicated to that thought.

What in the blazes is that saying?

(Imagine I'm attempting to speak in a white African accent)...



"Fuck ending this war, the peace agreement is bullshit, I'm not done fighting yet, lets go shoot some terrorists."







 

Bingo

 

What was America and Britain's end game in supporting Mugabe?  Was it all tied up in the "End of Empire" movements or something else?

 the whole world was against them, with the possible exception of SA. Even they couldn't supply the rodies openly. IIRC

It was never to support Mugabe, per se.





This was the post WWII world, where everyone imagined the planet was full of rainbows and unicorns.  Then you had the turn over of India, the civil rights movement in America, and the end of colonial rule everywhere.  





It was decided that Africa should be ruled by BLACK Africans(many white families had been there for a century by this point).  So the powers that be began to slowly turn over rule of their former colonies to majority rule.  In every instance, the countries erupted in chaos, bloodshed, and economic devastation.  So Britain told Southern Rhodesia it was time to make the transition, and they said no, not going to happen.  We are the breadbasket of Africa and will make the transition to majority involvement in government on our own terms.





But the socialists in Britain said you have to, even though we are safe and cozy in London, you 3rd or 4th Generation Africans are going to have to suck it and take your poison, its what is  justice, morality, and fair play.  





And the liberals being who they are, used the media to convince the world the Rhodesian Bush War was a bunch of white racists killing poor blacks who only wanted a chance to be part of their own democracy.  They were owed that, even though what we know as the former Rhodesia was a goat pasture before the Brits got there.





So the world at the behest of the UN labeled the breakaway colony of Rhodesia a racist regime, even though the army was 80% Black.  





The Soviets and Chinese each backed one of the main terrorist groups and used their power and influence to keep Europe and the Anglo-sphere from being involved by constantly threatening charges or racism and being anti-democracy.  Then as the 70's drew to a close, South Africa basically dropped their marginal support for Rhodesia hoping that feeding their neighbor to the lions would keep the world from coming after them and their apartheid system.  





Basically, liberals said that racial justice meant majority black rule had to happened because it was "right", even though they knew the ass fucking that was coming for the Rhodie's.  That didn't matter because successful management of a country is less important that political correctness(sounds familiar doesn't it?)





So without any friends and finding themselves isolated, Smith tried to let the government transition to a majority involved system.  But that was not enough, so Britain refused to recognize a Black moderate leader and forced them to open it up to the terrorists.





And as predicted, Mugabe slaughtered his opponents, slaughtered all the blacks who dared stand along side the whites, and chased nearly all the white folks out.  And he's been "elected" president every since.  The  whole country of Zimbabwe now has the GDP of some counties in the U.S.  Majority rule did exactly what everyone knew it would, but Jimmy Carter and James Callaghan could pat themselves on the back because they brought "justice" to Africa.





 

I know the whole story, but reading it in such a short passage just pissed me off even more

So, nothing more than the race card. I guess in a way I was hoping for something more sinister. Sinister it seems is easier to fight than PC and so endeth a great country.

Political Correctness, Social Justice, and Generational/White Guilt are parasites bleeding America to the point that when the time comes, we may very well be too weak to fight.  







 

Well...FWIW....look at the Brits today,  they don't support their own citizens against multi-culti gang rape.

Political Correctness is a disease,  and it's not a new one.

B-b-b-but. . . . . . . . . . . Yaw're BLACK!!!!!!!!!

More pics

Clearing out a cache (probably RLI)


Probably scouts because there working with a Black

I am enjoying this thread, and appreciating the history and perspective of those of you who had direct contacts with that time and place.

My only connection was a series of trips to Joburg, where I conducted the (now defunct) SA National Symphony Orchestra.  First trip in 1994.

I had many nights with vets of various struggles in the region, as well as eyeballing some extraordinarily well armed guards.

Carjackings and home invasions were the big thing in the mid 90s.  The problem:  Thousands of former communist rebel trained young men were drawn to SA by the economy-- the only functioning economy in the south.  However, their experiences of killing from a young age left them with no socialization whatsoever.

Prior to 94, carjacking was a simple, straightforward business:  Someone points an AK at you, and you give them your car.  When the young sociopaths arrived from the fighting in Rhodesia and Mozambique, it became common for the perps to execute gratuitously the cooperative owners of the car being jacked.

Then there were the home invasions!  The middle class in Johannesburg lived in miniature armed villas.  Every house was surrounded by a cement wall 10 ft high, with another 3 ft of barbed wire on top.  Signs announced "armed response."  the most extraordinary thing was the "rape room" concept:  A bedroom was converted into an armored vault, in which the women of the house could lock themselves, and hope to wait out the invaders, thus avoiding the most unsavory part of the whole process.

Another interesting experience:  A huge indoor/outdoor bar/restaurant where whites went to get shitfaced.  There was a gun-check system, where you check your gun on the way in.  It was stored in a small locker; you got a receipt, and of course you got your gun back as you left.

This crime was a legacy of the wars to the north, and the destruction of two generations of young black men by the forced recruiting into terrorist and rebel armies.

The communists are superb liars. It was the race card, yes, but they would have used whatever worked to fool the world into
  thinking that (in this case) Rhodesia was evil.

 

The RLI was a mix of White and Black soldiers.

 

Really, I stand to be corrected, but I've never heard that, and have read extensively on the subject.













RLI Regimental Association Website deserves a more than quick read

Does anyone here know someone who lived in Rhodesia through this, and was old enough to understand everything going on, who now lives in the US? I would love to hear if there are similarities in our respective situations. Maybe I'm projecting a lot of what happened in Rhodesia onto the US... Hopefully.




That was South Africa... I loved those movies as a kid but trying to watch them know is impossible. So much heavy handed propaganda.

A lot of people compare Rhodesia to South Africa and especially concerning the army was something that always bothered me. The Rhodesian Army was made up of both black and white soldiers.

The RAR (three battalions at its height) was black w/mostly white officers.  They started having black officers near the end.

The RLI was almost entirely white

The Selous Scouts were integrated, but mostly with ex terrorists.

I think the SAS, Greys Scouts and RAC were mostly white.

There were integrated protection companies, often filled with reservists that were probably more or less integrated.  Not nearly as much written about them

The BSAP was well integrated though nominally a civilian force

Yes.

Afrikaans is a dutch derivative.  If you can speak Afrikaans you can most likely understand Dutch.... they are very hand in hand.


The Dutch says Zuid and the Afikaaners says Suid.  Of course you see it being used both ways interchangeably.... but most there does say Suid.

RLI was all-white.  Most Rhodesian Army units were mixed, though.  Something like 80% of the Rhodesian Army was black.  Selous Scouts were mostly black, if I recall correctly, generally ex-terrorists that defected.  SAS was all-white, I believe.  RAR was all-black enlisted and mostly white officers.  I think the RAC, Artillery, and Grey's Scouts were mixed, but predominantly white in practice.  Other units would have been more heavily integrated, especially support units.

some day, people will learn to sack it up, band together, defend what they have, and not feel guilty about it.

unfortunately, that time has not yet come.

Thanks for clarifying

 

When did South Africa stop supplying Rhodesia with Arms & equipment?

Great thread!

Anyone have the paint product codes for the baby poop paint?

I think in 1978 or 1979.  It wouldn't have been so bad had it not been for the Soviet-backed coup in Portugal, with the socialist regime installed basically granting all of the colonies except Macau independence (and relinquishing claims to those under foreign occupation, by India and Dahomey), despite the fact that in all the colonies with conflict other than Portuguese Guinea, the unrest or insurrections had largely been defeated or dealt with.

Did you still need them?

 

There was a time when that would be considered unreasonable. Not any more.