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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:20:11 PM EDT
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Quiz still needs an answer for CDR for Grey's Scouts.
Anyone notice back up a few Posts.... that Selous Scout "Clemence" in civies far right, has a double barrel shotgun ! Anyone got a pic of Lion Lager Beer ?  Damn Bob... we got to 5 pages.....
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:17:10 PM EDT
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was there a Arms embargo?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:39:00 PM EDT
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Quiz still needs an answer for CDR for Grey's Scouts. Anyone notice back up a few Posts.... that Selous Scout "Clemence" in civies far right, has a double barrel shotgun ! Anyone got a pic of Lion Lager Beer ? Damn Bob... we got to 5 pages.....Mike Williams? My memories of old SOF failed me ETA Nope, found him. He commanded a protection company that was also horse mounted. Grey's scouts was led by a Rhodie. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:17:11 AM EDT
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The ZA, I'm pretty sure now, is a Zimbabwean marking, continuing the Rhodesian Army practice. Most of the ZA marked FALs I've seen have been IMBELs, including the ZA marked lower and bolt group that I have. ZA is South Africa (Zuid Afrika) on every list I have seen. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:33:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: was there a Arms embargo? If you look at a lot of the kits that made it in they were sanitized of markings.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:34:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They also supplied Rhodesia with FALs. There are also some interesting examples of FALs from when the Katangese government and military remnants fled to Portuguese territory and Northern Rhodesia as the UN invasion finished its conquest in 1963, including some very early examples of FALs which ended up with Southern Rhodesia when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland broke up shortly afterwards. Later, FALs from the ANC also ended up in Rhodesia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As I understand it the G3s were primarily from Portuguese stocks. They also supplied Rhodesia with FALs. There are also some interesting examples of FALs from when the Katangese government and military remnants fled to Portuguese territory and Northern Rhodesia as the UN invasion finished its conquest in 1963, including some very early examples of FALs which ended up with Southern Rhodesia when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland broke up shortly afterwards. Later, FALs from the ANC also ended up in Rhodesia. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:36:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZA is South Africa (Zuid Afrika) on every list I have seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The ZA, I'm pretty sure now, is a Zimbabwean marking, continuing the Rhodesian Army practice. Most of the ZA marked FALs I've seen have been IMBELs, including the ZA marked lower and bolt group that I have. ZA is South Africa (Zuid Afrika) on every list I have seen. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:43:28 AM EDT
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I have a fireforce vest, some camos, t shirts, patrol cap and some other bits and pieces....
I have alot of political stuff from the first election as well, buttons, stickers, shirts... |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:08:53 AM EDT
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I am of the opinion that anyone crazy enough to go into battle while wearing shorts is probably someone not to be fucked with...
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:07:56 AM EDT
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Yep, except in this case. ZA is post Rhodesia (Zimbabwe Army). RA was Rhodesian Army. UinM was South Africa, and from everything I've seen they never used Zuid Afrika (ZA) on their arms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ZA, I'm pretty sure now, is a Zimbabwean marking, continuing the Rhodesian Army practice. Most of the ZA marked FALs I've seen have been IMBELs, including the ZA marked lower and bolt group that I have. ZA is South Africa (Zuid Afrika) on every list I have seen. Man, this shit gets confusing. Africa wins again... |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:22:52 AM EDT
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FAL-bulous pics..
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:10:34 AM EDT
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Man, this shit gets confusing. Africa wins again... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ZA, I'm pretty sure now, is a Zimbabwean marking, continuing the Rhodesian Army practice. Most of the ZA marked FALs I've seen have been IMBELs, including the ZA marked lower and bolt group that I have. ZA is South Africa (Zuid Afrika) on every list I have seen. Man, this shit gets confusing. Africa wins again... I'm pretty sure that in Afrikaans it is Suid Afrika and not Zuid Afrika, but in any case, czechsix is right, the RSA never used that sort of marking. There was a time I thought it might mean Zambian Army, since Zambia was the successor to Northern Rhodesia, but I'm fairly certain now that the Z stands for Zimbabwe. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:14:17 AM EDT
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Any links to those FAL examples? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As I understand it the G3s were primarily from Portuguese stocks. They also supplied Rhodesia with FALs. There are also some interesting examples of FALs from when the Katangese government and military remnants fled to Portuguese territory and Northern Rhodesia as the UN invasion finished its conquest in 1963, including some very early examples of FALs which ended up with Southern Rhodesia when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland broke up shortly afterwards. Later, FALs from the ANC also ended up in Rhodesia. A couple have been posted on FalFiles, but I can't provide any links. I recall a Rhodesian Air Force vet discussing a FAL he was issued which was an early type and also had been modified to use a Lee-Enfield No.4 bayonet. Rhodesia got what it could and used most of what it had. They also got G-1s from somewhere, there are a couple of pics on FalFiles of Rhodesian troops with them (I think they are INTAF or Guard Force). Unfortunately, only a few examples of the rarer FALs made it to the U.S. as parts kits. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:06:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:06:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI like the G3 action in the pic! I want a FAL now! |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:21:51 AM EDT
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Hope this embeds.....
Castle Lager http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608004482740651734&pid=1.7 Have to take a pic of my Lion Lager ad from a Fighting Forces of Rhodesia 1977 mag. then I'll post the it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:24:20 AM EDT
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Cool pics. Thanks for posting.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:43:37 AM EDT
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Yes. If you look at a lot of the kits that made it in they were sanitized of markings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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was there a Arms embargo? If you look at a lot of the kits that made it in they were sanitized of markings. Munitions were also included in that embargo, so the Rhodesian military had to be accurate and very judicious with there fire. Fucking Jimmy Carter! |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 11:32:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And now we are busy screwing ourselves over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Western World really fucked those guys over.  Which is exactly what a local cop I know says. He is originally from Rhodesia. Hates socialists, hates BHO, hates that the US is letting itself slide into the pot. As he says about the US if it falls: "We're western civilization's only hope. There is no where else to go."
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is exactly what a local cop I know says. He is originally from Rhodesia. Hates socialists, hates BHO, hates that the US is letting itself slide into the pot. As he says about the US if it falls: "We're western civilization's only hope. There is no where else to go." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Western World really fucked those guys over. Which is exactly what a local cop I know says. He is originally from Rhodesia. Hates socialists, hates BHO, hates that the US is letting itself slide into the pot. As he says about the US if it falls: "We're western civilization's only hope. There is no where else to go." |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:09:34 PM EDT
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Which is exactly what a local cop I know says. He is originally from Rhodesia. Hates socialists, hates BHO, hates that the US is letting itself slide into the pot. As he says about the US if it falls: "We're western civilization's only hope. There is no where else to go." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Western World really fucked those guys over. Which is exactly what a local cop I know says. He is originally from Rhodesia. Hates socialists, hates BHO, hates that the US is letting itself slide into the pot. As he says about the US if it falls: "We're western civilization's only hope. There is no where else to go." A guy I know that emigrated here from Johannesburg, SA said the same thing. He was not in Rhodesia, but fought the same terrorists that they did. They were issued the R1 rifle, and most of them had the grenade spigot muzzle device. One day I asked him about the 'baby shit green' camo that the Rhodesian painted on their rifles. He said that was totally a Rhodesian or merc thing. They were not allowed to pain their rifles. Must be kept clean whenever possible. I should ask if he's got any photos some day. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:19:48 PM EDT
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   West German G1 rifles. They were threaded to accept a standard Belgian Flash hider.   |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:11:21 PM EDT
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For a second, I thought the G1, far right, tucked down, looked like and AR10 ( Port version).... |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:21:01 PM EDT
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Saiga I messaged you about a parts kit. Pre-ordered that book as well. If I wanted what the SAS carried in Rhodesia, would I want a RA kit or L1a1 kit?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saiga I messaged you about a parts kit. Pre-ordered that book as well. If I wanted what the SAS carried in Rhodesia, would I want a RA kit or L1a1 kit? |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:47:33 PM EDT
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I know it's a long shot, but is there a podcast anyone can recommend I could listen to to get a lot more info about Rhodesia and the war?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:39:42 PM EDT
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I know it's a long shot, but is there a podcast anyone can recommend I could listen to to get a lot more info about Rhodesia and the war? There are these things some archaeologists recently discovered from ancient times called books. Supposedly they can be really informative and include many volumes on Rhodesia. So I've heard, anyways. All facetiousness aside, there are a number of good books out there if you want some recommendations, including general works of history, political history, military history, analysis and details about actual tactics, techniques, etc. I seriously doubt you'll find much audio media about it, and I'm not sure there is anything out there to find in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do they all wear nut hanger shorts? I would think combat with bare legs in brush and prickers would be problematic.  |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:47:20 PM EDT
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There are these things some archaeologists recently discovered from ancient times called books. Supposedly they can be really informative and include many volumes on Rhodesia. So I've heard, anyways. All facetiousness aside, there are a number of good books out there if you want some recommendations, including general works of history, political history, military history, analysis and details about actual tactics, techniques, etc. I seriously doubt you'll find much audio media about it, and I'm not sure there is anything out there to find in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know it's a long shot, but is there a podcast anyone can recommend I could listen to to get a lot more info about Rhodesia and the war? There are these things some archaeologists recently discovered from ancient times called books. Supposedly they can be really informative and include many volumes on Rhodesia. So I've heard, anyways. All facetiousness aside, there are a number of good books out there if you want some recommendations, including general works of history, political history, military history, analysis and details about actual tactics, techniques, etc. I seriously doubt you'll find much audio media about it, and I'm not sure there is anything out there to find in the first place. I appreciate it, but due to the nature of my work, I can usually listen to 4-5 hours of podcasts a day, which makes it much easier for me to listen to podcasts or audio books than to find time to actually read physical books, as much as I prefer to read. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:25:48 PM EDT
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This post will highlight the ingenuity of the Rhodies
Yeah, we think of "technicals" as a Black African Militia thing. Guess who invented it and did it well. 
Mine warfare was a huge problem. this is an MRAP built out of a VW called the Pookie 
The Pig a mine resistant APC- IIRC these were made in house by the Selous Scouts for external ops 
The more common Crocodile 
Of course they are famous for developing the assault vest and chest rig- things we copy now. 
Their ingenuity extended in to the air as well. The Allouettes rigged for Fire Force really show this. The 20mm was scavenged from a Vampire I think. 
In the air 
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate it, but due to the nature of my work, I can usually listen to 4-5 hours of podcasts a day, which makes it much easier for me to listen to podcasts or audio books than to find time to actually read physical books, as much as I prefer to read. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know it's a long shot, but is there a podcast anyone can recommend I could listen to to get a lot more info about Rhodesia and the war? There are these things some archaeologists recently discovered from ancient times called books. Supposedly they can be really informative and include many volumes on Rhodesia. So I've heard, anyways. All facetiousness aside, there are a number of good books out there if you want some recommendations, including general works of history, political history, military history, analysis and details about actual tactics, techniques, etc. I seriously doubt you'll find much audio media about it, and I'm not sure there is anything out there to find in the first place. I appreciate it, but due to the nature of my work, I can usually listen to 4-5 hours of podcasts a day, which makes it much easier for me to listen to podcasts or audio books than to find time to actually read physical books, as much as I prefer to read. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:36:44 PM EDT
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Hmmm, good old Jimmy Carter really screwed that one.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:44:02 PM EDT
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I appreciate it, but due to the nature of my work, I can usually listen to 4-5 hours of podcasts a day, which makes it much easier for me to listen to podcasts or audio books than to find time to actually read physical books, as much as I prefer to read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know it's a long shot, but is there a podcast anyone can recommend I could listen to to get a lot more info about Rhodesia and the war? There are these things some archaeologists recently discovered from ancient times called books. Supposedly they can be really informative and include many volumes on Rhodesia. So I've heard, anyways. All facetiousness aside, there are a number of good books out there if you want some recommendations, including general works of history, political history, military history, analysis and details about actual tactics, techniques, etc. I seriously doubt you'll find much audio media about it, and I'm not sure there is anything out there to find in the first place. I appreciate it, but due to the nature of my work, I can usually listen to 4-5 hours of podcasts a day, which makes it much easier for me to listen to podcasts or audio books than to find time to actually read physical books, as much as I prefer to read. Understandable. I was facetious because most people who ask me that are simply too lazy or otherwise unwilling to read and just have to have audio or video in order to learn anything. Like I said, you're not going to find much of anything if that's what you want. JRT Wood's book on Fire Force tactics includes an informative DVD that you could probably listen to while working, but that's all I can think of (and just FYI, one cannot, IMO, learn to the fullest with regards to this subject without encountering and reading JRT Wood's books and other works). |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:08:34 PM EDT
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Love these threads. Very interesting.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:32:24 PM EDT
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Great thread
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Posted: 8/27/2014 12:01:09 AM EDT
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To my friends next door ... sorry how I feel about this...after the war they were shunned by the SA gov,,,, Their widows and children live in poverty today and are shunned by the Nambian Gov & the current SA Gov,,,, these boys were life takers & heart breakers to the bad guys... they fought the same Terrs as Rhodesia.
won't load for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QbxJXfUBHNY Google " 32 Battalion ' Terrible Ones".... on YOUTUBE |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:34:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat googily-moogily!! FOUR A/N-M3 .30 cals!? That's like 4500 rpm of .30-06 hate and discontent raining down from the heavens. 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:45:02 AM EDT
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The caption says it all. Note the weapons AR10, G-3
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:07:37 AM EDT
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Any one know a source for Rhodesian camo? Original or reproduction.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:09:45 AM EDT
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Any one know a source for Rhodesian camo? Original or reproduction. You will pay a shitload for original, on the order of a few hundred dollars per item last I saw... Very collectible... Don't know anywhere that makes decent repros. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:20:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:43:51 AM EDT
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thanks OP, i could look at pics like this all day.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:29:14 AM EDT
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I realized I don't know much about this war.
I like this thread. I want a FAL. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:03:16 PM EDT
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Imagine if someone made good nylon in the Rhodesian predominately green, and tan (I dont know the name of the green based camo or tan based camo), so that we could have MOLLE/PALS stuff.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 1:29:27 PM EDT
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Great pics!
I wear what some would call "nut huggers" quite a bit. Even in the woods, but not while sawing. They're from Cabelas and I believe they're called safari shorts or hiking shorts. I like the 5.5" inseam much better than the ghetto shorts hanging below the knee. Capstick used to wear shorts exclusively as well and even wrote some on the reasoning. If I had some time I'd look it up. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You will pay a shitload for original, on the order of a few hundred dollars per item last I saw... Very collectible... Don't know anywhere that makes decent repros. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any one know a source for Rhodesian camo? Original or reproduction. You will pay a shitload for original, on the order of a few hundred dollars per item last I saw... Very collectible... Don't know anywhere that makes decent repros. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:31:13 PM EDT
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 The two Rhodies in the collection. The regular paint one belongs to my mom. The camo one belongs to me
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Posted: 8/27/2014 5:14:58 PM EDT
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Wow, never even heard about this war! I have a lot to read about. Just another fucking reminder that I'm getting up there in years. :( |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 5:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just another fucking reminder that I'm getting up there in years. :( Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow, never even heard about this war! I have a lot to read about. Just another fucking reminder that I'm getting up there in years. :( |
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