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686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are people actually going with Bruce Lee in this hypothetical? 686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. Or the most obvious. 683 people are clueless delusional dreamers. |
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Are people actually going with Bruce Lee in this hypothetical? 686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. Or the most obvious. 683 people are clueless delusional dreamers. So at any given time about 50% of GD is fucking retarded. Got it. |
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Are people actually going with Bruce Lee in this hypothetical? 686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. Or the most obvious. 683 people are clueless delusional dreamers. Or they've simply never fought someone bigger than them. Or littler than them. Or at all. |
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Quoted: So at any given time about 50% of GD is fucking retarded. Got it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are people actually going with Bruce Lee in this hypothetical? 686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. Or the most obvious. 683 people are clueless delusional dreamers. So at any given time about 50% of GD is fucking retarded. Got it. |
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Or they've simply never fought someone bigger than them. Or littler than them. Or at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are people actually going with Bruce Lee in this hypothetical? 686 Tyson 683 Lee So as of right now, this is more neck & neck than beans or no beans, or 9mm or .45. Or the most obvious. 683 people are clueless delusional dreamers. Or they've simply never fought someone bigger than them. Or littler than them. Or at all. Or you can't accept the fact that the other half of the people that voted might be right in this hypothetical fantasy fight that you are giving yourself high blood pressure over |
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I cannot help but wonder how many of the alleged Bruce Lee fans are merely trolling. 90% ? 60%. ?
10%? I'm tempted to start another thread to find out who really, REALLY believes that BL would have a chance. It's a silly debate, but it opens up a fascinating window into the perceptions and attitudes of our fellow fight fans. |
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I cannot help but wonder how many of the alleged Bruce Lee fans are merely trolling. 90% ? 60%. ? 10%? I'm tempted to start another thread to find out who really, REALLY believes that BL would have a chance. It's s silly debate, but it opens up a fascinating window into the perceptions and attitudes of our fellow fight fans. View Quote Could be some trolldom, but there are still people putting up an active defense of Lee in these 14 pages... which is something he wouldn't do well against Tyson. Or there are just a lot of people who saw Serenity and think 85-pound Summer Glau could really kick their asses, too. |
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Quoted: Lee was an actor 1st, martial artist second. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You guys are fucking nuts. Tyson would destroy him. Lee was an actor 1st, martial artist second. But yeah, Tyson would pummel Bruce Lee, and then probably try to eat all the pieces. I just voted for Lee to piss off the Annatrocity dorks. |
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding.
If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. |
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. View Quote That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. |
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I dunno, kind of a treadmill type question, although I think Tyson would kill him, in or out of the ring.
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I can say that Tyson's a powerful fella, lots of muscles but what good is it if he can't hit Bruce? Bruce did not train to put mass in his muscles because muscle has weight and slows you down. He kept his muscle supple and strong, like a sapling as opposed to a mighty oak. The way Bruce trained he built the muscles in his whole body. He may be small but strong as an animal. An animal is not easy to fight, Bruce is a human animal but with smarts.
I got interested in Bruce when I saw his first movie Fist Of Fury. I know it's just acting but the way he carried himself was something I never saw before. He's very agile and fast. I've read books and magazines about him (that was before the net) and he was unique. Despite what was said on how Bruce died I think he died from stress. He pushed himself to where his body can't take it anymore. Bruce was only 33 years old. |
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How can half of arfcom think Bruce Lee has a chance? Tyson in his PRIME was the baddest man on the planet. I honestly don't know if anyone could have withstood that uppercut of his, his opponents in the ring sure as hell didn't, and they had mouthpieces in. |
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. View Quote His fights have almost no evidence to back them up. His one actual documented fight landed him in the hospital. |
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That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. Lee's base style was wing chun, a style that never did well in MMA. While he studied other stuff and created JKD, most of his influences (with some exceptions like boxing and judo) were styles that were really based upon theory, not full force competition. If Lee really grasped what worked he would have trained a lot more grappling. |
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A motorcycle wreck landed him in the hospital, never heard of a fight doing so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. His fights have almost no evidence to back them up. His one actual documented fight landed him in the hospital. I thought he ended there after the Wong Jack Man fight. Looking it up best I can tell neither were hurt. |
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Since this thread is still peopled by 50.1% retarded troll fantasy loving polyhedral dice rolling magic card flipping LARP maniacs lets break it on down all the way. The only Asian martial artist that would have given Tyson a fight lived significantly before Lee and he would only have won if he had his swords. Miyamoto Musashi http://www.andysowards.com/blog/assets/Samurai_by_lubliner-680x1013.jpg?b91b38 View Quote He was good with sticks, too. |
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There is some weird mystique about Bruce Lee, I'm not convinced he could even fight. He'd get torn to shreds against the best in the world today at his weight, let alone putting him against Mike Tyson in his prime.
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I think the major thing it showed was how well BJJ works. Now that its a staple for most MMA fighters, I wouldn't expect the same results. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before UFC had weight classes, it showed that size does not mean all that much in an all-out no rules fight, there are many examples of smaller guys beating larger guys (Gracie over Severn). More generally, what it showed was: 1) Grappling and groundfighting skills are core skills you must have as a fighter. 2) Full contact combat sports work, non-contact "martial arts" don't. |
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Before UFC had weight classes, it showed that size does not mean all that much in an all-out no rules fight, there are many examples of smaller guys beating larger guys (Gracie over Severn). View Quote Severn dominated most of the fight, which IIRC was about 18 minutes. Gracie's submissions won it in the end, but if Severn knew submissions or used GnP it would not have worked out so well for the smaller guy. I suspect modern MMA, where everyone knows subs and has some ground game and some standup, no weight classes would mean domination by heavyweights. |
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That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. I'm simply amazed at how many people think that Tyson was slower just because he's a big black guy. He was spooky fast. He could reach out and punch bigger guys right in the face before they could react. Tier 1 Professional boxers who were known for being fast in their own right. I had to replay the hits a couple times just to see them. Watch some of the fights posted and stop living in fantasy land. |
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I think Lee would have side stepped Tyson, kicked in his knee from the side, and it would have been game over for mike. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Boxing isn't street fighting. Outside of the ring I'd put my money on martial arts. yeah most likely. However 1 hit from MT and Bruce would be out cold. In his prime, Tyson wins. Bruce couldn't inflict enough damage to put iron mike down and all Tyson would have to do is connect once and Lee would be out I think Lee would have side stepped Tyson, kicked in his knee from the side, and it would have been game over for mike. This^^^ Physics applies to bones and especially to fragile joints. There are parts of the body that take very little force to damage severely, regardless of the muscle mass of the beast bearing them. Lee had the speed and finesse to inflict that damage. That being said, luck always plays a part and if Tyson ever got close enough to get a grip on Lee, things would probably end differently. |
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A professional boxer with a significant weight advantage vs an actor with no known professional fights. Hmmm... View Quote Dunno. Lee was pretty well known as a street fighter in his youth. His later immersion in martial arts only refined those skills. He was a real fighter long before he became a martial artist or an actor. |
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all I did was reference the wikipedia article. I respect bruce lee's abilities. But to compare him against an actual professional fighter with 100 pounds on him? Thats silly. Don't confuse actual knowledge of the man with the myth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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he had one fight, which no one witnessed, which either took 3 minutes or 30 minutes, and which lee refused a rematch challenge. lee was an actor and self-promoter. I'm calling BS on this. BL was highly respected by many top martial artists and other fighters. Sugar Ray Leonard was impressed with his skills. The man was a workout animal and constantly strived to acquire knowledge and skill. I don't really GAF about the Tyson vs. Lee topic, but to denigrate Lee this way is showing a lack of knowledge about the man. all I did was reference the wikipedia article. I respect bruce lee's abilities. But to compare him against an actual professional fighter with 100 pounds on him? Thats silly. Don't confuse actual knowledge of the man with the myth. I have no dog in the fight, ref. the original topic. Just making an observation as to BL's background. God knows how far he would of gone had he lived a full life. His attitude towards training, etc.,. were far thinking. |
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There has never been a striker even remotely in Tyson's league in MMA. The "bjj beats strikers" folks need to realize that elite strikers don't do MMA- not because they can't win, but because boxing pays better. View Quote Yeah, that's the rationalization. In early MMA Royce was probably no more "elite" then Art Jimmerson. BJJ had a very shallow talent pool. Yet Royce dominated Art. And it wasn't because Art wasn't a good enough boxer, it really didn't much matter what level of boxing skill he had. Now, Tyson is another matter. He would have been scary in early MMA, due to his strength, agressiveness, etc. Not so much because of his elite striking, but because of the whole package. |
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More generally, what it showed was: 1) Grappling and groundfighting skills are core skills you must have as a fighter. 2) Full contact combat sports work, non-contact "martial arts" don't. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before UFC had weight classes, it showed that size does not mean all that much in an all-out no rules fight, there are many examples of smaller guys beating larger guys (Gracie over Severn). More generally, what it showed was: 1) Grappling and groundfighting skills are core skills you must have as a fighter. 2) Full contact combat sports work, non-contact "martial arts" don't. Agreed! Man for man, today's top UFC fighters are different animals than the top when UFC started. Well versed in typically two or three disciplines. Anyone remember when Royce Gracie fought Matt Hughes? That was pretty ugly - Gracie was one dimensional. #2 above hits the nail on the head. Combat sports work, plain and simple. Mike Tyson would have been an MMA god. I have never been a boxing fanboy, but he was tier 1 bad ass. |
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Just watch the first few UFCs to see what happens when boxers without any knowledge of how to fight on the ground come up against against people who do have that knowledge. Boxing does not closely approximate anything-goes fighting. It's too limited by its rules. View Quote BJJ is also a sport, with limiting rules. However, the core unarmed fighting skill is grappling, not striking. Pure grappler >> pure striker. |
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just read it. he had one fight, which no one witnessed, which either took 3 minutes or 30 minutes, and which lee refused a rematch challenge. lee was an actor and self-promoter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tyson in his prime was a MURDERER. He had the fastest and hardest hitting punches the world had ever seen. And he was technically superior to just about everyone. Bruce Lee was an actor, and 100lbs less than Tyson. Try Wikipedia. just read it. he had one fight, which no one witnessed, which either took 3 minutes or 30 minutes, and which lee refused a rematch challenge. lee was an actor and self-promoter. Lee also quit wing chun after that fight, and developed JKD. Hmmm. |
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Tyson in his prime was a MURDERER. He had the fastest and hardest hitting punches the world had ever seen. And he was technically superior to just about everyone. Bruce Lee was an actor, and 100lbs less than Tyson. Try Wikipedia. just read it. he had one fight, which no one witnessed, which either took 3 minutes or 30 minutes, and which lee refused a rematch challenge. lee was an actor and self-promoter. Lee also quit wing chun after that fight, and developed JKD. Hmmm. actors.....don't hit back |
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I'm simply amazed at how many people think that Tyson was slower just because he's a big black guy. He was spooky fast. He could reach out and punch bigger guys right in the face before they could react. Tier 1 Professional boxers who were known for being fast in their own right. I had to replay the hits a couple times just to see them. Watch some of the fights posted and stop living in fantasy land. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. I'm simply amazed at how many people think that Tyson was slower just because he's a big black guy. He was spooky fast. He could reach out and punch bigger guys right in the face before they could react. Tier 1 Professional boxers who were known for being fast in their own right. I had to replay the hits a couple times just to see them. Watch some of the fights posted and stop living in fantasy land. This... Most of Tyson's opponents had 6-10 inches of reach and 4 or 5 inches in HT on him which is HUGE in boxing. The fact that he still KO'd everybody is amazing. His hand speed and lateral movement were huge. |
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That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Guys I am torn, After doing some research and seeing that Bruce did actually fight and most fights were measured in sec, I do not know how it would turn out. Bruce did get into street fights, hit guys that did not even know they were hit until they started bleeding. If Tyson was lucky enough to land a shot early maybe but Bruce could break ribs with one kick so would almost come down to who landed the first power shot. That's my point, Bruce is too fast for Tyson to land a blow on him, he'll break his arm if he wished to. Someone said he's an actor first them MA, you got that backward, Bruce's been training most of his life before he decided to act. Yes, he was a magical fucking kung fu fairy that the laws of physics did not apply to. The retardedness in this thread is simply amazing. |
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