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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:23:28 PM EDT
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They have repeatedly said they want to conquer the entire earth. Now they have a serious amount of armaments and cover more land and have more money than any other extremist group in history, to back up that threat. Not to mention the thousands of westerners who are flocking to join them and sympathisers from Washington DC to London and beyond raising their banners in support.
I'd say they're a pretty big threat. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:28:12 PM EDT
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1) They have no navy. http://i.imgur.com/vLpiEVf.jpg 2) They have no air force. http://i.imgur.com/Beb8M1i.jpg 3) They have no nukes or biological weapons. They probably have access to some chemical weapons which are notoriously difficult to use effectively. They also have no way of delivering it to the U.S. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/isis-seizes-chemical-weapons-plant-muthanna-iraq Great retort |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:33:49 PM EDT
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OUR own foreign policy mistakes will do us more long term harm than ANY combination of actual enemies./
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great retort Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1) They have no navy. http://i.imgur.com/vLpiEVf.jpg 2) They have no air force. http://i.imgur.com/Beb8M1i.jpg 3) They have no nukes or biological weapons. They probably have access to some chemical weapons which are notoriously difficult to use effectively. They also have no way of delivering it to the U.S. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/isis-seizes-chemical-weapons-plant-muthanna-iraq Great retort |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:38:39 PM EDT
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ISIS Threatens America: ‘We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House’ http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/08/isis-threatens-america-we-will-raise-the-flag-of-allah-in-the-white-house/ Newsflash: American voters already did  |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:16:10 PM EDT
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First we must take back Michigan.... What will they do? Suicide bomb in the D? No one would even notice. Convoy with black flags out of Dearborn? They will die like dogs in the corn and beans. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:41:02 PM EDT
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1) They have no navy. http://i.imgur.com/vLpiEVf.jpg 2) They have no air force. http://i.imgur.com/Beb8M1i.jpg 3) They have no nukes or biological weapons. They probably have access to some chemical weapons which are notoriously difficult to use effectively. They also have no way of delivering it to the U.S. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/isis-seizes-chemical-weapons-plant-muthanna-iraq Great retort Retort? Bed-wetting at its finest. I have to admit that it's amusing to watch the mass hysteria. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:42:16 PM EDT
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What will they do? Suicide bomb in the D? No one would even notice. Convoy with black flags out of Dearborn? They will die like dogs in the corn and beans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First we must take back Michigan.... What will they do? Suicide bomb in the D? No one would even notice. Convoy with black flags out of Dearborn? They will die like dogs in the corn and beans. It would be an improvement as it would remove some of the blight. 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:06:35 PM EDT
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First we must take back Michigan.... We're good, thanks. 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:07:30 PM EDT
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15 years from now we'll be wondering why we allowed these fuckers to take power, and spend 15 billion investigating what we could have done differently.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they come to CONUS. Sure. Anywhere else. No. In fact if they aren't here I don't give a shit what they do. A lot of those guys are citizens of western countries. They aren't staying in the levant.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:12:03 PM EDT
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They seem to be focused on creating a state, more than being an international terrorist organization. If they can convert their territorial gains into a stable political entity, secure the placement of their borders, and achieve control over their interior, then I can see them definitely becoming a legitimate threat. I'm just not seeing it at the moment. Then again, I'm looking at them as a group whose primary goal at the moment is the creation of a state, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. My information is also not as up to date as it should be, so let me know if I've got assumptions or facts wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they weren't directly targeting US interests, they will after we start bombing them. They seem to be focused on creating a state, more than being an international terrorist organization. If they can convert their territorial gains into a stable political entity, secure the placement of their borders, and achieve control over their interior, then I can see them definitely becoming a legitimate threat. I'm just not seeing it at the moment. Then again, I'm looking at them as a group whose primary goal at the moment is the creation of a state, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. My information is also not as up to date as it should be, so let me know if I've got assumptions or facts wrong. Could they end up returning the ME to pre-WW1 tribal boundaries and then fizzling out? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:17:59 PM EDT
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The world is pretty much on fire. Isis from Lebanon to Iraq, same type of groups in Libya, Yemen, Sinai, Gaza, Nigeria and Somalia. Putin going full asshole in Russia and we have an invasion right here from Central America. And as I said in another thread, it's like Ron Paul is running our foreign policy. If ISIS gets into Saudi Arabia and Jordan the Middle East will go up in smoke and if gas would be available it would be $20 per gallon. The Russian thing is a whole other story. Our lack if foreign policy and perceived weakness is going to hurt us, financially and possibly hurt us with a bigger attack than 9/11. A lot of time until 2016 and we're stuck with this government. Until then. Don't forget that with all the chaos running around, China is eyeballing Vietnam and Taiwan with a particularly hungry gaze, which will further embolden King Fatass of the Norks to make more moves against his southern neighbor. This makes we want to drink now. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:47:53 PM EDT
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can these fuckers really do us harm? After all the shit of the last 20 years do you really trust any muslims? I can't. Plus they seem to really hate infidels......which, in case you don't know it, is anyone not a muzzie. Personally I'd rather have my tax money paying for a good cause like bombing the shit outta these assholes...... ...instead of paying room and board for the latest group of immigrants. The former is probably cheaper also since obviously we still have assets in theater or very close. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:51:50 PM EDT
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I'd say it's a matter of when, not if they do something here. Last I heard they were making $3 million a day in black market oil sales alone. The islamis terrorists always had massive financial support. Iranian government and Qatar are just two examples. They have already bought off a lot of West's key leadership, education and media figures. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:05:19 PM EDT
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They seem to be focused on creating a state, more than being an international terrorist organization. If they can convert their territorial gains into a stable political entity, secure the placement of their borders, and achieve control over their interior, then I can see them definitely becoming a legitimate threat. I'm just not seeing it at the moment. Then again, I'm looking at them as a group whose primary goal at the moment is the creation of a state, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. My information is also not as up to date as it should be, so let me know if I've got assumptions or facts wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they weren't directly targeting US interests, they will after we start bombing them. They seem to be focused on creating a state, more than being an international terrorist organization. If they can convert their territorial gains into a stable political entity, secure the placement of their borders, and achieve control over their interior, then I can see them definitely becoming a legitimate threat. I'm just not seeing it at the moment. Then again, I'm looking at them as a group whose primary goal at the moment is the creation of a state, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. My information is also not as up to date as it should be, so let me know if I've got assumptions or facts wrong. You have it backwards. When they accomplish that it becomes far easier to target them if the U.S. wanted to. It's the amorphous network embedded in many countries that makes it so difficult to root them out. 
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Posted: 8/9/2014 1:40:12 PM EDT
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So you recognize that their amorphous nature makes them difficult to defeat, but insist that they are no threat, because they have no Air Force or Navy. No shit?
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Posted: 8/9/2014 1:52:37 PM EDT
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Hezbollah is radical Shiite. ISIS is radial Sunnis. Think Ireland with Catholics Vs. Protestants.... Both are Christians, but they wouldn't hesitate to knife shoot or bomb each another... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment. 
Hezbollah is radical Shiite. ISIS is radial Sunnis. Think Ireland with Catholics Vs. Protestants.... Both are Christians, but they wouldn't hesitate to knife shoot or bomb each another... But they both joined together for a short time to fight what they saw as a bigger enemy, Nazi Germany. ISIS and Hezbollah could do the same. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:04:49 PM EDT
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I've been to Iowa, and wholeheartedly agree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Living in Iowa, at least there's noting here worth blowing up. Wake me up when they cross the Mississippi. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've been to Iowa, and wholeheartedly agree with you. The people in Oklahoma thought that way too, at one time. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:10:31 PM EDT
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15 years from now we'll be wondering why we allowed these fuckers to take power, and spend 15 billion investigating what we could have done differently. Look, I'm busy making SESs here. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:11:40 PM EDT
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So you recognize that their amorphous nature makes them difficult to defeat, but insist that they are no threat, because they have no Air Force or Navy. No shit? Until State and DOD have a plan for population centric warfare, who gives a fuck? |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hezbollah joining them is exponentially worse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment. ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Not sure, but don't think it will happen. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:16:55 PM EDT
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ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Not sure, but don't think it will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment.
ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Not sure, but don't think it will happen. Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First we must take back Michigan.... I've seen muslims maybe 2 times, at most, in the past 2 months. We're hardly being overrun here.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:21:09 PM EDT
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Yes in time I think they will be a real problem especially for Europe.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment. ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Not sure, but don't think it will happen. Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? The Caliphate?  |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Their plan to use sunnis as cannon fodder has gotten out of hand.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:28:20 PM EDT
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Their plan to use sunnis as cannon fodder has gotten out of hand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Their plan to use sunnis as cannon fodder has gotten out of hand. You're pretty smart for an E. ETA: I drink more before 10:00 AM before more people do all week. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:28:45 PM EDT
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They have repeatedly said they want to conquer the entire earth. Now they have a serious amount of armaments and cover more land and have more money than any other extremist group in history, to back up that threat. Not to mention the thousands of westerners who are flocking to join them and sympathisers from Washington DC to London and beyond raising their banners in support. I'd say they're a pretty big threat. This. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:29:40 PM EDT
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ISIS can never become "big enough" to be a threat to the west. In fact the bigger they become, with regards to equipment and combat tactics, the easier they become to annihilate by any remotely capable modern military. In fact, you want to wipe them out in a hurry? Send them tanks and jets, then kill them in their tanks and jets. Getting all "big army" will be their undoing.
The real threat to the west remains the same type of individuals who planned and executed the 911 attack. There's no need to fear a group of crazy sand people with guns and a few tanks. It's the ones striving to acquire a nuke or anthrax or some shit you gotta worry about. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're pretty smart for an E. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Their plan to use sunnis as cannon fodder has gotten out of hand. You're pretty smart for an E. Deckplate leadership!
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:31:50 PM EDT
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Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment.
ISIS = Sunni Hezbollah = Shia? Not sure, but don't think it will happen. Iran has been supporting both...for Iranian end states. So, that said, what does it mean? Wouldn't put it past them to want to reestablish the old Persian Empire. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Deckplate leadership! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their plan to use sunnis as cannon fodder has gotten out of hand. You're pretty smart for an E. Deckplate leadership! 
I just wet myself. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:36:34 PM EDT
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OUR own foreign policy mistakes will do us more long term harm than ANY combination of actual enemies./ As much of a war mongering interventionist as I am, I can't entirely disagree. Half-assing and fucking end-games has been the running theme most of the last 120 years. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:37:50 PM EDT
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As much of a war mongering interventionist as I am, I can't entirely disagree. Half-assing and fucking end-games has been the running theme most of the last 120 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OUR own foreign policy mistakes will do us more long term harm than ANY combination of actual enemies./ As much of a war mongering interventionist as I am, I can't entirely disagree. Half-assing and fucking end-games has been the running theme most of the last 120 years. I heart Western self hatred. It's like reading Trotsky, if he had Down's. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:54:58 PM EDT
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I heart Western self hatred. It's like reading Trotsky, if he had Down's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OUR own foreign policy mistakes will do us more long term harm than ANY combination of actual enemies./ As much of a war mongering interventionist as I am, I can't entirely disagree. Half-assing and fucking end-games has been the running theme most of the last 120 years. I heart Western self hatred. It's like reading Trotsky, if he had Down's. So I missed the point of this thread and the way we departed Iraq was a glorious strategic maneuver? |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:57:58 PM EDT
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So I missed the point of this thread and the way we departed Iraq was a glorious strategic maneuver? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OUR own foreign policy mistakes will do us more long term harm than ANY combination of actual enemies./ As much of a war mongering interventionist as I am, I can't entirely disagree. Half-assing and fucking end-games has been the running theme most of the last 120 years. I heart Western self hatred. It's like reading Trotsky, if he had Down's. So I missed the point of this thread and the way we departed Iraq was a glorious strategic maneuver? No. It was a clusterfuck. But we weren't the only ones in the battlespace. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:09:58 PM EDT
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Nah...not scared of these guys that much. I mean, they can't even turn drugs into money for christ's sake. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:17:52 PM EDT
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Threat to U.S. sovereignty? No
Threat to U.S. economic system? No Threat to U.S. financial system? No Threat to U.S. infrastructure (power grid, etc)? No Threat to killing a minute fraction of our population once every 10-20 years via derailing a train or blowing up a building or hijacking a plane on U.S soil? Yes So about the same threat as Al Queda, Hamas, or any other terrorist organization. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:18:49 PM EDT
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But they both joined together for a short time to fight what they saw as a bigger enemy, Nazi Germany. ISIS and Hezbollah could do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this is no longer a terrorist group, this is a small army they are working on incursions into Lebanon. they are basically growing by the day. If they defeat Hezbollah, it will be an "oh shit" moment.
Hezbollah is radical Shiite. ISIS is radial Sunnis. Think Ireland with Catholics Vs. Protestants.... Both are Christians, but they wouldn't hesitate to knife shoot or bomb each another... But they both joined together for a short time to fight what they saw as a bigger enemy, Nazi Germany. ISIS and Hezbollah could do the same. Ireland didn't enter WWII,or am I missing a point? |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:23:08 PM EDT
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Iraq has the world's 5th largest proven oil reserves.
At present they are not at full production or even close, but we cannot ignore that Iraq sits on an ocean of energy and that is energy the world needs to maintain economic development. The United States as the world's leading exporter and importer needs a healthy and growing world economy in order to maintain our American way of life. ISIS threatens the future of Iraq and its oil production in turn threatening our way of life. So, yes they are a very real threat to the West and specifically to the United States of America. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:25:35 PM EDT
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Threat to U.S. sovereignty? No Threat to U.S. economic system? No Threat to U.S. financial system? No Threat to U.S. infrastructure (power grid, etc)? No Threat to killing a minute fraction of our population once every 10-20 years via derailing a train or blowing up a building or hijacking a plane on U.S soil? Yes So about the same threat as Al Queda, Hamas, or any other terrorist organization. This is almost the dumbest thing I've seen posted on this site. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:30:18 PM EDT
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did you believe in 92(?) (when AQ declared war on us) that AQ would be a threat to the US? to answer your question: yes. except ISIS is going for more than 'payback' against the West. they are going for straight conquest in ways so brutal that even AQ decided to not be related to them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:37:49 PM EDT
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Does the army of the Lord take old bald guys with bad backs?
Sign me up for the crusade if so. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:38:24 PM EDT
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If ISIS were to capture Iraq's oil production, they would quickly become more powerful. Do you think the Russians would hesitate to sell them planes and bombs?
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:39:16 PM EDT
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They are a threat to the entire world.
Sit back and let them consolidate then attack Kuwait and Jordan and see how unaffected you are.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:41:29 PM EDT
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They are a threat to the entire world. Sit back and let them consolidate then attack Kuwait and Jordan and see how unaffected you are. America is at the mall, brother. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America is at the mall, brother. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are a threat to the entire world. Sit back and let them consolidate then attack Kuwait and Jordan and see how unaffected you are. America is at the mall, brother. Gonna be an expensive mall when oil is $500 a barrel.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:52:15 PM EDT
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So you recognize that their amorphous nature makes them difficult to defeat, but insist that they are no threat, because they have no Air Force or Navy. No shit? For 13 years, all we've heard from the .mil here is how stupid, lazy and backwards they are, but now all of a sudden they are elite killers.  They got lucky with 9/11. Had the crew and passengers of the other planes knew what was in store for them, they would have stormed the cockpit like flight 93.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:53:06 PM EDT
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