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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:11:02 PM EDT
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That's what happens when you buy Detroit iron. I weaned myself from that shit a couple of decades ago.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:15:30 PM EDT
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That's why I went with the 5.0 Ditto. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:17:57 PM EDT
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When mfg's have to deal with revolving door changes to emissions regulations it makes it quite difficult to put out a reliable motor. I don't care what manufacturer it is. I own a company that requires the use of a lot of trucks, from class 3-8, and they all are victims of regulation run rampant.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:23:54 PM EDT
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56,000 miles on my 2011 with no problems...so far! RUN that truck like you rented it. Keep it cleaned out...running it up to the limiter regularly is my motto. I also have towed over 8000 lbs for 10K of those miles.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:27:35 PM EDT
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did.  Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesAnd taxpayer dollars 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYou mean the ones they recalled and said "Don't drive it, we'll send a tow truck for it." |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:32:39 PM EDT
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56,000 miles on my 2011 with no problems...so far! RUN that truck like you rented it. Keep it cleaned out...running it up to the limiter regularly is my motto. I also have towed over 8000 lbs for 10K of those miles. That's what I've been doing. I make sure to floor it regularly, and I make sure to vary my speed when it's raining. Still had the issue. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:35:24 PM EDT
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to carbon seizing spark plugs to the block, now this..  |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:35:48 PM EDT
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20k miles on my 2013 and no problems yet. Make sure the plugs are gapped .028-.030, throw a 5-star tune in there, and call it good!
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:41:11 PM EDT
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I remember the days when you bought a truck and drove it.. none of this aftermarket tuning to make it run properly.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:49:47 PM EDT
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I have a 2012 Platinum Eco-Boost with 21,000 miles on it with no problems so far. I usually drive it easy but I do once in a while run it hard. I love the way it performs. The rest of the truck is very well suited to my needs. I am going to take a serious look at the 2015 as soon as it releases!
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:11:26 PM EDT
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and this is why I went 5 liter
I don't trust those eco boosts yet, the bugs are obviously not ironed out |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:12:16 PM EDT
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did. Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoesYeah, just got rid of one. Biggest POS ever. Back in a V8 Ford. Never will I stray again. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:25:56 PM EDT
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sounds like you saved fuel while passing. the EPA thanks you and Obama is proud of you. This. Just think of the awesome mileage. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:26:08 PM EDT
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Was looking at the f150 with ecoboost and the tacoma. I went with tacoma. Glad I did.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:29:20 PM EDT
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You'll have a lot of blue oval company on the side of the road.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An engine that's constantly in high pressure boost....what could possibly go wrong? Thanks EPA! Said this before. Not comfortable with the idea unless it involves diesel. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:32:43 PM EDT
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And remember...
Think ECOboost! Think Environment! Think "Global Sustainability"! Think reducing your carbon footprint, you American pigs! 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:36:54 PM EDT
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A miss will dump unburned fuel and oxygen into the exhaust. When that fuel and oxygen reacts in the catalytic converter it releases heat. If severe enough it can melt down the converter matrix and catalyst. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh  A miss will dump unburned fuel and oxygen into the exhaust. When that fuel and oxygen reacts in the catalytic converter it releases heat. If severe enough it can melt down the converter matrix and catalyst. Somebody needs to tell the diesel crowd this, because I think we missed the memo on that. My 06 Cummins has seen probably more heat and unburnt fuel than any "Ecoboost" Ford and no Cat failure. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:44:21 PM EDT
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No replacement for displacement.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:45:48 PM EDT
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No replacement for displacement. End of story. Displacement + Turbo= most awesomest. 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:50:54 PM EDT
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New vehicles suck. They have waaaaayyy too much crap to go wrong and they are expensive as hell to fix once the warranty runs out. I'll keep my reliable, easy to work on M1009
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:51:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody needs to tell the diesel crowd this, because I think we missed the memo on that. My 06 Cummins has seen probably more heat and unburnt fuel than any "Ecoboost" Ford and no Cat failure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh A miss will dump unburned fuel and oxygen into the exhaust. When that fuel and oxygen reacts in the catalytic converter it releases heat. If severe enough it can melt down the converter matrix and catalyst. Somebody needs to tell the diesel crowd this, because I think we missed the memo on that. My 06 Cummins has seen probably more heat and unburnt fuel than any "Ecoboost" Ford and no Cat failure. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:57:38 PM EDT
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to carbon seizing spark plugs to the block, now this.. Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover. 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:02:16 PM EDT
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That's why I went with the 5.0 Ditto. X2 But I will say I had a '12 Eco with not 1 single issue. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:11:44 PM EDT
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Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to carbon seizing spark plugs to the block, now this.. Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover. 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:30:31 PM EDT
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I hope this EcoBoost isn't as big a turd as the 6.0.
6.0 is a huge turd. Ask me how I know.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:54:25 PM EDT
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers.
You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!!
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:59:37 AM EDT
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Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe. They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. They shit be damp yo. maybe they're using Lucas electrics. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:06:32 AM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh If it's a dead miss in the cylinder with fuel still going to it, the unburnt fuel goes out the exhaust to the cat where it's burned, causing the cat temps to skyrocket and the material to burn up faster than it should. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:07:12 AM EDT
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What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? Moisture accumulates somewhere in the Induction System and gets sucked in all at once when you go to WOT. Quoted:
here is the fix In high humidity or rainy environments, the stock intercooler position can lead to condensation water building-up inside the stock cooler. Upon sudden acceleration and boost, this water can be introduced into the engine, causing a misfire event. We recommend using our optional vent-to-atmosphere BOV (blow-off valve) or VTA E-bov (2013-2014 only). These can help evacuate moisture from the charge air stream before it enters the engine's throttle body. Let em guess, steady statespeed in the rain for a few hours. Stopped, then pulled out and went to Wide Open Throttle and it went into failure effects mode. Shut it down or wait a few seconds and its ok. The TSB for 12 and below will not fix it 100% nor, will the cut in of the TSB for 13 and up. Until they get a full fix, make sure to give it a good blast of throttle from time to time especially when on the highway in rain (like cruise control) for a long period BTW, DI Volkswagens have the same problem DI engines are more prone to this since the air/fuel has less time to mix. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:09:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:09:40 AM EDT
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My 2012 did the same as the OP. Then I got fuel in my crank case oil. Just had TSB 14-0040 performed, not sure if it's fixed yet. I doubt it is, cuz how's a block heater going to fix something that happens in the summer?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:10:37 AM EDT
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That's why I went with the 5.0 |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:13:25 AM EDT
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Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. it was fixed pretty early on with a different intercooler that uses a flap to change airflow threw the intercooler at specific temperatures. most of the vehicles have been retrofited with the superseded parts. I have one of the kits in stock. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:19:20 AM EDT
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit. From a ford guy I knew something was up when I bought my 2013 F-150. Man, they really put the hard sell on me to get that POS. Thankfully, I'm cool under pressure and have a 5.0 V8. Sorry OP, I had a 2005 F-250 with a 6.Oh shit diesel. Swore I'd never have anything Turbo again. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:19:57 AM EDT
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I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit. From a ford guy I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? I'm noticing a theme here... wonder what it could be |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:20:57 AM EDT
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And people called me an idiot for going with the V8
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:22:14 AM EDT
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Still glad I went with a Titan
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:24:43 AM EDT
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I hope this EcoBoost isn't as big a turd as the 6.0. 6.0 is a huge turd. Ask me how I know. You and me both. I didn't learn my lesson though. I bought an 08 F150 and am on my 3rd 5.4 in about 112k miles.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:27:20 AM EDT
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A miss will dump unburned fuel and oxygen into the exhaust. When that fuel and oxygen reacts in the catalytic converter it releases heat. If severe enough it can melt down the converter matrix and catalyst. Somebody needs to tell the diesel crowd this, because I think we missed the memo on that. My 06 Cummins has seen probably more heat and unburnt fuel than any "Ecoboost" Ford and no Cat failure. too late, he already let it leak out. Diesel =/= gas |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:28:49 AM EDT
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It's an issue on a bunch of turbo charged vehicles. Both the Duramax, as well as the TDI VW's have suffered from the same water buildup in the intercoolers. You will notice that all the threads started for this issue are from people who live in high humidity climates. Your choices are to move to a less damp state, Put a better intercooler in it (Full race or the likes) the stock one sucks for guys in "Moist" states. Drill a small hole in the bottom of the intercooler Install a catch can that intercepts both sides of the PCV. ETA: This is an intercooler issue, not an Eco-boost issue. If you were to turbo the newer 5.0, and put the same CAC on it as the 3.5, you would have the same issue. Ford needs to address the CAC for the guys in climates were the condensation takes place. It realy sucks for some folks, because all the guys who live in the dry climates are loving these trucks!!!
Same issue with the VW's TSB updated January 8, 2013: TSB # 21 12 01 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler For those who are unaware of the TDI Intercooler Issue, here is a synopsis. There is a serious safety and engineering defect with all North American MK VI generation TDI Jetta, TDI Jetta Station Wagon, and TDI Golf cars. TDI Passats are not affected by this. Other parts of the world are not experiencing this issue due to differences in emissions controls. VW has issued TSB # 21 11 06 / 2025464 Frozen Air Charge Cooler for it. All CR 2.0L TDI engines for the above mentioned cars are prone to engine failure, destruction and engine compartment fire due to water condensing in the intercooler during cold winter weather. Water vapour is entering the intercooler airstream and condensing into significant volumes of liquid water. The accumulated water then enters the engine cylinder causing a catastrophic hydrolocking condition resulting in engine failure. Some owners, not aware of why the engine won't start, continue to run the starter motor in attempt to start the car which results in overheating of the starter cable. The overheated starter cable causes the cable insulation to melt, smoke and catch fire. so drilling a hole in a container that is meant to contain positive pressure is a good idea now?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:29:10 AM EDT
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That's odd....my 2013 F150 5.0 hasn't had a hiccup.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:33:03 AM EDT
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In this thread we have people whose pet trucks a) break in half (Toyota) and b) burst randomly into flames (Chevy) talk shit on Ford owners for a somewhat minor issue that can be addressed with a flash, and is not isolated to Ford products but rather any gas turbos.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:38:56 AM EDT
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That's odd....my 2013 F150 5.0 hasn't had a hiccup. Neither has my '12 ecoboost that has been tuned since it's first oil change..... |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:43:03 AM EDT
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What's that? A turbocharged gas engine is a poor choice for a work vehicle? Who could've seen that coming?
(Former Turbo Mopar owner, and current Turbo VW owner) 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:43:46 AM EDT
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Lifelong Ford guy, but I've owned a Tundra Crewmax for the last month and love it!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:44:15 AM EDT
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Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to carbon seizing spark plugs to the block, now this.. Yup. Just paid $857 for a spark plug and coil pack change. ETA: they broke four off in the bock and had to extract them with their special 2004-2006 F150 5.4L Spark Plug remover. Surely you're kidding? In parts you're maybe looking at $200 for OEM stuff. There are easy ways to remove the plugs without having to extract them. With the engine slightly warm, use penetrating oil and let it seep in. Break them loose with 1/4 or less of a turn. Spray more penetrating oil. Then have a go with the impact. They will break, but not fall in. Every Ford tech should know how to do that. It's the same from 04-08 on F150s and 05-08 Mustangs. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:44:48 AM EDT
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That's odd....my 2013 F150 5.0 hasn't had a hiccup. i dare you to keep it past its warranty
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:46:43 AM EDT
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That's odd....my 2013 F150 5.0 hasn't had a hiccup. i dare you to keep it past its warranty None of my Fords have been under warranty 
None had issues. The 4 Mustangs I've had I beat the shit out of on the regular basis. The F150 was too slow to have fun in and my Ranger was my first vehicle. Nothing more than routine maintenance and optional fun mods in any of them. |
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