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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:26:20 PM EDT
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit.
From a ford guy |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:27:54 PM EDT
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Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe.
They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:28:00 PM EDT
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Tagged
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:28:41 PM EDT
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What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect?
I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:29:25 PM EDT
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit. From a ford guy I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:29:38 PM EDT
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Tagged GTFO with your awesome dozer, bro. 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:31:24 PM EDT
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What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:39:28 PM EDT
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I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit. From a ford guy I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? It seems to be very common if not endemic to ecoboost F150s, and ford can't seem to figure out how to fix the problem. I'm guessing they won't acknowledge it because they can't afford to recall millions of trucks without a fix. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:41:43 PM EDT
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An engine that's constantly in high pressure boost....what could possibly go wrong? Thanks EPA!
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:42:43 PM EDT
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Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe. They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:44:39 PM EDT
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Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe. They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. They shit be damp yo. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:46:58 PM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash?
There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:47:39 PM EDT
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GTFO with your awesome dozer, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tagged GTFO with your awesome dozer, bro. We got these trucks at work.
But i don't
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:48:39 PM EDT
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here is the fix
In high humidity or rainy environments, the stock intercooler position can lead to condensation water building-up inside the stock cooler. Upon sudden acceleration and boost, this water can be introduced into the engine, causing a misfire event. We recommend using our optional vent-to-atmosphere BOV (blow-off valve) or VTA E-bov (2013-2014 only). These can help evacuate moisture from the charge air stream before it enters the engine's throttle body. Let em guess, steady statespeed in the rain for a few hours. Stopped, then pulled out and went to Wide Open Throttle and it went into failure effects mode. Shut it down or wait a few seconds and its ok. The TSB for 12 and below will not fix it 100% nor, will the cut in of the TSB for 13 and up. Until they get a full fix, make sure to give it a good blast of throttle from time to time especially when on the highway in rain (like cruise control) for a long period BTW, DI Volkswagens have the same problem |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Simpler motor (no boost, turbo) is better.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:52:36 PM EDT
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Better fix, don't ever believe fords advertisements, don't buy a ford truck.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:53:31 PM EDT
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Time for a Tundra. You tried.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:53:43 PM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:54:59 PM EDT
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I've been looking at the new 2.7L V-6 Twin Turbocharged Ecoboost. I wonder what unhappy wonders might come of that.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:55:57 PM EDT
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TSB 14-0017
ISSUE: Some 2013-2014 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 3.5L gasoline turbocharged direct injection (GTDI) Ecoboost® engine, and built on or before 12/16/2013 may exhibit an intermittent stumble and/or misfire on hard acceleration after extended operation at highway speeds during high humidity or damp conditions. This may result in either a steady or flashing malfunction indicator lamp (MIL). Diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0304, P0305, P0306, or P0430 may also be present. Evidence of misfire may be available in Misfire Freeze Frame Data even with no active DTCs. ACTION: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition. Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration level using IDS release 88.03 or higher |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:56:21 PM EDT
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great. Went from blowing spark plugs through the hood to this..
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:58:08 PM EDT
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http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/14/nhtsa-closes-ford-f-150-ecoboost-acceleration-probe-report/
Typically when we report on the findings of an investigation from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, it's because the government body has discovered a safety issue and prescribed a recall. In this case, however, NHTSA has closed an investigation into a reported performance deficit without ever getting to the recall stage. The issue revolves around the Ford F-150 – specifically those equipped with the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine – of which some 360,000 were built in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 model years. After receiving an initial 95 complaints, NHTSA opened an investigation last May – almost a year ago – into the reported issue of reduced engine power under hard acceleration. The agency has since received a total of 525 such complaints, and Ford itself reported receiving over 4,000. Together, NHTSA and Ford determined that the problem resulted from cylinders misfiring, an issue itself stemming from water getting into the charge air cooler (CAC) mated to the turbochargers. In particularly humid or rainy conditions, water was found to get into the CAC, causing some of the cylinders to misfire, which in turn triggered the ECU to disable those cylinders in order to protect the catalytic converter from damage. Ford conducted its own testing and, rather than issue a recall, published a series of technical service bulletins prompting dealers to install deflect shields onto the CAC in the vehicles in question, solving the problem to 95-percent effectiveness in 2011-12 models and 100 percent in 2013 models. Apparently satisfied that Ford had resolved the issue, NHTSA has closed the file on this particular case. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:58:56 PM EDT
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One of our company trucks had the same problem. I believe they fixed it, I'll ask the driver what the solution was.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:00:06 PM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh Puts raw fuel into the converter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#Damage |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:00:11 PM EDT
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It would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. You don't need the full intercooler just a blow off but, understood. I love the Eco Boost so much, I deal with it in the rain thing at steady state speed thing. Factory warranty is up for mine in 11 months so its Livernois time and hello high 12's 1/4 mile for a S-crew with 3:73's and Max Tow As far as the Toyota, do what you got to do. I'd rather be ass raped in prison by the Village People then own one ever. Do yourself a favor and check out Dodge or G/M |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:02:05 PM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh A miss will dump unburned fuel and oxygen into the exhaust. When that fuel and oxygen reacts in the catalytic converter it releases heat. If severe enough it can melt down the converter matrix and catalyst. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:05:24 PM EDT
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Has it been to the dealer for a reflash? There is a computer update that is supposed to help with this. If You don't get it fixed the miss will take out the cat converter. Huh Puts raw fuel into the converter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter#Damage Thought that was pretty common knowledge with cats being around for 30 years or so ?? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:07:57 PM EDT
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I say this in every thread having to do with direct injection. Stay the fuck away from it. It allows build up on your valves and other intake parts. Port injection is good because it cleans the valves off as it sprays past them. Mix bad valve timing (due to sludge buildup) with high levels of advanced ignition timing (due to the fact direct injection supposedly fights detonation) AND high compression levels, (again due to the fact in theory direct injection fights detonation) and what do you get, a lot of rotating assemblies in that can fit in shopping bags because they are in pieces. I promise you the official explanation is bullshit, its a fuel system design problem. Mazda guys have seen it, BMW guys have seen it to a level, Anywhere it has been used it is more pain than promise.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:10:22 PM EDT
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I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. How can water be ingested through the aftercooler (correct term for this type of system)? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:21:20 PM EDT
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I've read about it happening but it never happened to me until today. Went to pass someone in the rain, and when I gunned it, the truck lost power and the check engine light started flashing. After about 10 seconds it started running right again. Good thing I had plenty of room to pass. 2013 F150 with 15k miles. My 2012 F-150 (not ecoboost, it's a 3.7L V6) did a similar thing. It was some stupid computer module for the transmission. Quick fix, take it to the dealer and they'll take care of you. Mine went full retard with the lights when it started doing it. Check engine, airbag, all kinds of lights would go off. It also would lose power and the center screen of the dash would show a wrench symbol where the miles to E usually is. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:25:13 PM EDT
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sounds like you saved fuel while passing.
the EPA thanks you and Obama is proud of you. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:26:59 PM EDT
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Ford
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:31:08 PM EDT
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As far as the Toyota, do what you got to do. I'd rather be ass raped in prison by the Village People then own one ever. Do yourself a favor and check out Dodge or G/M Because, why?? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:35:52 PM EDT
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I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like an expensive, dangerous, piece of shit. From a ford guy I've had that happen with a Jeep 4.0L too. What's the point? But that was a jeep. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:36:15 PM EDT
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Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe. They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ Cac is Latin for shit. Just sayin`. And it's Vietnamese for "penis" ETA: just sayin'. 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:38:50 PM EDT
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It would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. Is driving it through their front door illegal? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:42:01 PM EDT
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It would be nice if Ford would fix it. I'm not paying 1100 bucks for something Ford should do. Probably trade it in on a Toyota. Ford service seems to be bad at the dealers near me. Is driving it through their front door illegal? Ha. I traded in a Land Cruiser with 220k miles on this truck. Worst mistake of my life. It was stone reliable. I don't have time to be popping into the dealer all the time, plus it's out of my way. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can water be ingested through the aftercooler (correct term for this type of system)? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's the specific issue? Do you have a link to more information about that particular defect? I just wonder if it only affects the V6 or whatever it is could potentially affect my wifes 1.6? I'm only aware of it affecting the 3.5 engine. Supposedly the issue was remedied for 2013, but apparently not. Post above is correct that the prevailing theory is water ingested through the inter cooler. Funny thing is I was on the way home from looking at a Tundra because of transmission issues ford won't acknowledge. Not sure what to do with it. Definitely won't be keeping past the warranty period. How can water be ingested through the aftercooler (correct term for this type of system)? |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:44:28 PM EDT
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Isnt that exactly the same thing that happened to that one guy who had like 2 engines and a long block installed and it still ran like shit? Cant find the link
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:45:34 PM EDT
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Ha. I traded in a Land Cruiser with 220k miles on this truck. Worst mistake of my life. It was stone reliable. I don't have time to be popping into the dealer all the time, plus it's out of my way. Call Them, Tell Them the deal and that You need a reflash. It's under Warranty and You could probably wait on it, it takes @ 15min tops. Or Ford will pay for a rental car so You can leave it if need be. You paid all that money for a new truck, get it fixed (for free) before more damage is done. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:45:35 PM EDT
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And to think someone told me they'd rather have an eco boost than an 8.1L cast iron Chevy big block for towing a travel trailer....
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:51:38 PM EDT
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This Ford guy now has 2 Dodge trucks in his driveway.
My dad's eco-shit has been in the shop several times. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:01:24 PM EDT
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That's why I went with the 5.0
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:04:37 PM EDT
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I've got 2011 model. I don't think it's an intercooler issue, at least not with my truck. Conditions weren't right. I didn't get a warning light either. They way it cut out was more like traction control cutting the ignition but way more intrusive.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:04:38 PM EDT
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should have got the 302
or 5.0 for you metric people |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:08:08 PM EDT
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I've read about it happening but it never happened to me until today. Went to pass someone in the rain, and when I gunned it, the truck lost power and the check engine light started flashing. After about 10 seconds it started running right again. Good thing I had plenty of room to pass. 2013 F150 with 15k miles. It's incredibly timely that you post this tonight..... I was crying in my beer tonight over all the problems my 2004 F150 has that need to be fixed and how much it's going to co$t..... It's been two months in the shop.... One of my buddies mentioned the great things Ford is doing with it's EcoBoost engine and I said "Yeah? That's a lot of shit to go wrong in that engine, come talk to me when the owners hit 130, 150k and see what they've had to shell out to keep their truck in service." |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:09:05 PM EDT
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Hopefully it doesn't grenade itself like my co-workers did.
 Get yourself a God damned Chevrolet Silverado. Silverado's are made from Chuck Norris movies, big dicks, and real tornadoes
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:09:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been reading up on that. My 2013 F-150 Ecobust has developed an intermittent shutter but nowhere near as bad as you describe. They were supposed to have fixed it. They clearly didn't. The running theory is that it is condensation buildup in the CAC. Guess a few people will need to die before they actually fix it. http://blog.bluespringsfordparts.com/245/ecoboost-shudder/ This had been an early issue in the 6.4's. Mine did it a few times over about three years. They came out with a revised CAC that was replaced free of charge. The original design allowed condensation to build up in the end tanks and when you gun it it enters the cylinders causing the loss of power. Complete with a whitish steam coming out of your tailpipe once it was passed. Mines been problem free since. |
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