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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:02:01 PM EDT
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I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... Can we treat straight white males with access to guns as being more likely to be spree killers? Increased risks and all that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:06:25 PM EDT
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Anyone who advocates to increase the risk of HIV into the blood supply is a complete and utter moron. I don't think asking people questions has any effect one way or the other. But whatever, I don't have a problem with closing the gay dude loophole or whatever you want to call it. While we're at it, we might want to start asking people who buy guns if they're planning to shoot up a school. You're smarter than this, dude. I'm smart enough to know that asking questions doesn't put viruses in or keep viruses out of blood. If you want the ban the gays from giving blood I'm fine with it, but testing the blood is the only thing that's going to really do anything. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Statistically speaking it drastically increases the chances for a disease to slip by. Math is a bigot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is blood from gay people untestable for diseases or are you all afraid of transferring the gay? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:29:16 PM EDT
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I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... What about queers that dont engage in sex with other queers? Do they get a break under your grand plan? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:31:45 PM EDT
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I'm smart enough to know that asking questions doesn't put viruses in or keep viruses out of blood. If you want the ban the gays from giving blood I'm fine with it, but testing the blood is the only thing that's going to really do anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who advocates to increase the risk of HIV into the blood supply is a complete and utter moron. I don't think asking people questions has any effect one way or the other. But whatever, I don't have a problem with closing the gay dude loophole or whatever you want to call it. While we're at it, we might want to start asking people who buy guns if they're planning to shoot up a school. You're smarter than this, dude. I'm smart enough to know that asking questions doesn't put viruses in or keep viruses out of blood. If you want the ban the gays from giving blood I'm fine with it, but testing the blood is the only thing that's going to really do anything. No, no, no. It's just like guns. If we ban them, all guns will just go away. The world will then all hold hands and sing hallelujah. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:31:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about queers that dont engage in sex with other queers? Do they get a break under your grand plan? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... What about queers that dont engage in sex with other queers? Do they get a break under your grand plan? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:32:17 PM EDT
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I know I'll go against the grain. I don't want blood from someone I personally don't know. The one time I needed it family members went in and donated it.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:35:49 PM EDT
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Or junkies who use sterile needles? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... What about queers that dont engage in sex with other queers? Do they get a break under your grand plan? 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:38:09 PM EDT
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it's math, bitch
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:41:49 PM EDT
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It's funny because black people also have higher rates of HIV, yet nobody says a word (unless they can talk about "ghetto"/hoodrats,etc.) Of course, for many here it's more about demonizing people than anything else. Man who has protected oral sex with partner in 1977 ..... forever banned. Woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners and no knowledge of any of their statuses...... welcome to the blood pool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's funny because black people also have higher rates of HIV, yet nobody says a word (unless they can talk about "ghetto"/hoodrats,etc.) Of course, for many here it's more about demonizing people than anything else. Man who has protected oral sex with partner in 1977 ..... forever banned. Woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners and no knowledge of any of their statuses...... welcome to the blood pool. It's about probabilities. In blackjack if the dealer has an ace up and you have 16 you hit, because it has the best probability of winning compared to standing. That doesn't mean you win every time, it means over time, you will have a better outcome. Blood donation rules are designed to give the overall best outcome over time. They don't mean that every guy who's had sex with another guy has AIDS or that every hetero woman is clean. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:42:21 PM EDT
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. Because the "woman" had a penis? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the "woman" had a penis? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. Because the "woman" had a penis?  |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the "woman" had a penis? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. Because the "woman" had a penis?  |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:55:29 PM EDT
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Can we treat straight white males with access to guns as being more likely to be spree killers? Increased risks and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... Can we treat straight white males with access to guns as being more likely to be spree killers? Increased risks and all that. No, because that would be baseless and idiotic fear mongering, whereas recognizing the risk represented to the blood supply by allowing homosexuals to donate is medically prudent. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:03:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:05:23 PM EDT
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I can see where making noise like this with petitions and people bitching about petitions is just the kind of perceived bigotry that gets the militant bug chaser types and their ilk fired up to go lie about their condition to donate blood to "stick it to them."
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:10:49 PM EDT
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I'm just saying - nobody at a Red Cross is going to know if you're "out and proud", unless you walk in and immediately start cutting hair and redecorating the place. Ergo, I kind of hope they're testing the blood, instead of taking a donor's word for it. Testing sounds like a good idea, but why not ask and exclude certain groups as well? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:14:20 PM EDT
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NO, I'm good with the ban in place.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:16:43 PM EDT
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The idea is people who donate tend to be honest and honorable. There is no reason to want to donate so badly you would lie during the screening questions. Hopefully. I'm sure there are a few freaks who just like to share. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:17:35 PM EDT
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. Because the "woman" had a penis? I walked right into that one.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:20:49 PM EDT
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Fucking absurd.
I don't care where my blood comes when I need it. Alll donations are tested to the max these days. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:23:38 PM EDT
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. That's not listed anywhere on the Red Cross website, and I have never been asked that question before donating blood. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:25:36 PM EDT
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If it was a matter of life or death, would you still not take it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why can't they mark that blood? I would not want it.  If it was a matter of life or death, would you still not take it? Or we just maintain the current measures that help us to avoid such a stupid scenario. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:27:32 PM EDT
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I'm smart enough to know that asking questions doesn't put viruses in or keep viruses out of blood. If you want the ban the gays from giving blood I'm fine with it, but testing the blood is the only thing that's going to really do anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who advocates to increase the risk of HIV into the blood supply is a complete and utter moron. I don't think asking people questions has any effect one way or the other. But whatever, I don't have a problem with closing the gay dude loophole or whatever you want to call it. While we're at it, we might want to start asking people who buy guns if they're planning to shoot up a school. You're smarter than this, dude. I'm smart enough to know that asking questions doesn't put viruses in or keep viruses out of blood. If you want the ban the gays from giving blood I'm fine with it, but testing the blood is the only thing that's going to really do anything. So not only do Gays all have AIDS, but they are also diabolical liars who are intent on giving it to us ALL! There ought to be a law.... |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:28:44 PM EDT
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. Well I guess I can never be guilt tripped into going and tempted with Oreos.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:35:27 PM EDT
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Put their donated blood in jars marked "Gay Blood - for Gays Only".  Seems like a good compromise. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:51:12 PM EDT
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OH SNAP! You got da AIDS...for the sake of political correctness. Enjoy!
#equality So you want those choosing risky medical behaviors to have higher health risks than everyone else? #racist |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:54:49 PM EDT
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Wouldn't a ban lift like this increase aids risk? I mean gays can do what they want, but if they are causing life threatening diseases due to their " fairness" it's bullshit. Hell I don't want to get aids. I don't know that much medically and that's wha I've heard
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:55:06 PM EDT
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That's not listed anywhere on the Red Cross website, and I have never been asked that question before donating blood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. That's not listed anywhere on the Red Cross website, and I have never been asked that question before donating blood. Really? I have. :/ I was told that it increased the chance that I had contracted HIV/AIDS. (Even though I've tested clean for HIV/AIDS several times.) |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone seen recent data on infectious diseases in gay men? I know that a lot of them are really complete whores (?) who think nothing of pulling a train on a Saturday night. AIDS testing has got better but Hep C, Syphilis and God knows what else are out there, contaminated blood does not mean HIV only. http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm There are other diseases besides HIV for which gay men are at increased risk which can be transmitted by blood and blood products. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All higher risk populations should be banned. It's been a while since I donated, but they have all sorts of questions regarding sexual habits and drug use and travel history which are intended to weed out the high risk populations. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:01:55 PM EDT
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Thank GOD, I can now share the bloody battlefield with such potential sacks of deadly disease.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol But inkies ARE allowed to donate blood? If they have Hep B or Hep C, no. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:02:53 PM EDT
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Thank GOD, I can now share the bloody battlefield with such potential sacks of deadly disease. Check your privilege. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that it took some sort of explanation for you to agree that people who are super high risk for carrying an incurable blood transferred virus shouldn't be allowed to donate blood is pathetic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip Yeah, between JW_777 and TBK1 taking the time to explain it, I get the rationale now. The fact that it took some sort of explanation for you to agree that people who are super high risk for carrying an incurable blood transferred virus shouldn't be allowed to donate blood is pathetic. People who listen to facts and then change their misguided opinions are better than those who listen to facts and ignore them. I don't see that as a character flaw; rather quite the opposite. Might want to tone down your high and mighty attitude. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:14:57 PM EDT
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Thank GOD, I can now share the bloody battlefield with such potential sacks of deadly disease. #Equality. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:24:33 PM EDT
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People who listen to facts and then change their misguided opinions are better than those who listen to facts and ignore them. I don't see that as a character flaw; rather quite the opposite. Might want to tone down your high and mighty attitude.
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Yeah, between JW_777 and TBK1 taking the time to explain it, I get the rationale now. The fact that it took some sort of explanation for you to agree that people who are super high risk for carrying an incurable blood transferred virus shouldn't be allowed to donate blood is pathetic. People who listen to facts and then change their misguided opinions are better than those who listen to facts and ignore them. I don't see that as a character flaw; rather quite the opposite. Might want to tone down your high and mighty attitude.
Same. I actually thought it was retarded as fuck until TKB1, and JW_777 explained why the bans were in place. Now I see them as reasonable. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:28:56 PM EDT
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http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/ApprovedProducts/LicensedProductsBLAs/BloodDonorScreening/UCM164190.pdf
Notice there's no question about women having unprotected sex with multiple partners, while having no knowledge of their partner's status. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:30:20 PM EDT
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I'm just saying - nobody at a Red Cross is going to know if you're "out and proud", unless you walk in and immediately start cutting hair and redecorating the place. Ergo, I kind of hope they're testing the blood, instead of taking a donor's word for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or, they could just...I don't know...lie.
What a dumb "ban". I presume the blood is tested, given that some people...I don't know...lie. You can't be "out and proud" if you are forced to lie. Forced.
Given the months-long period between HIV infection and testing positive, and given the numbers of homosexual men who are infected, this is a ridiculous notion. Spread the misery--so typical these days.  I'm just saying - nobody at a Red Cross is going to know if you're "out and proud", unless you walk in and immediately start cutting hair and redecorating the place. Ergo, I kind of hope they're testing the blood, instead of taking a donor's word for it. they do but those tests are not perfect. prescreening removes some of the problems before blood is even drawn. it also helps to protect those doing the blood draw by giving them as much information about your health status as possible. Lying about it puts those people at risk as well. blood exposure and needle sticks are part of the job. if they can weed out 50% of the infected ahead of time they drastically reduce the risk for them and the patients. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:34:57 PM EDT
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Women who like anal sex should admit to it and be banned as well? Good luck with that.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:36:48 PM EDT
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Thank GOD, I can now share the bloody battlefield with such potential sacks of deadly disease. So if I'm in the .mil, and want to ride a motorcycle, I have serious amounts of restrictions (above and beyond State laws) because I'm high risk. I think all fags in the .mil should have to go through extra mandatory training, and safety briefs, because they are higher risk for STD's. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:37:11 PM EDT
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this is a case where PC and politicians need to stay the fuck out of the decision process. physicians and researchers are the only ones that need to make the determination of who can/can't donate. period.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:37:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about, NO! |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:38:35 PM EDT
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Really? I have. :/ I was told that it increased the chance that I had contracted HIV/AIDS. (Even though I've tested clean for HIV/AIDS several times.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, you guys know that anal sex with a woman disqualifies you from donating blood, right? Ask me how I know that. That's not listed anywhere on the Red Cross website, and I have never been asked that question before donating blood. Really? I have. :/ I was told that it increased the chance that I had contracted HIV/AIDS. (Even though I've tested clean for HIV/AIDS several times.) Yes, really. Maybe it is an additional requirement in CA or something, or maybe you donated blood to a group besides the Red Cross. Scientifically speaking, the odds of a man receiving HIV from an infected woman via unprotected anal sex is low, but likely higher than PIV sex. What they should be doing is saying any woman or man that has had receptive, unprotected anal sex should be not allowed to donate, but woman that have aren't a likely high risk group, only if they were partners with a bisexual male (they ask this question). |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:57:54 PM EDT
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Thank GOD, I can now share the bloody battlefield with such potential sacks of deadly disease. Now you can become multicultural and appreciate diversity on an unparalleled level.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:11:01 PM EDT
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I've never donated blood so I don't know how it works, but can't they just say they aren't gay? That's actually a myth. They put a drop of dye that reacts with gay blood and causes it to turn purple. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:15:58 PM EDT
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Women who like anal sex should admit to it and be banned as well? Good luck with that. Do most of these women have sex with dozens of partners at their nightly bath house romps? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:17:04 PM EDT
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Give money. They can keep the gay blood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are mad at "special snowflakes" for wanting to make donations to the Red Cross?
Oh the horror! What charity will they demand to give to next?! Give money. They can keep the gay blood. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:35:27 PM EDT
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Do most of these women have sex with dozens of partners at their nightly bath house romps? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Women who like anal sex should admit to it and be banned as well? Good luck with that. Do most of these women have sex with dozens of partners at their nightly bath house romps? dear penthouse.... there i was reading arfcom.. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:50:13 PM EDT
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I waiting for the day when insurance carriers treat queers like they treat smokers, the over weight, etc. Increased risks and all that... I'll bet obamacare addresses that... What about queers that dont engage in sex with other queers? Do they get a break under your grand plan? How are the two similar? |
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