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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:13:17 PM EDT
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No noticible differences. Still one of the best si fi movies ever. IMHO that is
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:13:37 PM EDT
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Final Cut is better. No narration, Deckard is a more interesting character.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:14:31 PM EDT
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Does The Final Cut have the gay ass sunset ending?
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:15:24 PM EDT
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No noticible differences. Still one of the best si fi movies ever. IMHO that is That's the general consensus. It's almost timeless. If you brushed up the special effects a little, you could re-release it today. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:15:52 PM EDT
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Just started it and the picture quality is certainly a lot better.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:17:40 PM EDT
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The Final Cut is Scott's vision. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't seen it.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:22:04 PM EDT
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The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:22:14 PM EDT
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That's the general consensus. It's almost timeless. If you brushed up the special effects a little, you could re-release it today. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No noticible differences. Still one of the best si fi movies ever. IMHO that is That's the general consensus. It's almost timeless. If you brushed up the special effects a little, you could re-release it today. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fuck that shit. Take your Jedi Rocks and CGI Jabba scene and GTFO. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:23:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. The film executives meddled alot with the theatrical release. The final cut is the one Ridley wanted. No narration and all that stuff.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:24:41 PM EDT
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Final Cut is Best Cut.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:26:35 PM EDT
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It's awesome.
SPOILER BELOW!!!!!! He was blind the entire time... 
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:27:42 PM EDT
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The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:28:46 PM EDT
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Is this the one with the faggy unicorn dream?
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:01:39 PM EDT
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Fuck Ridley Scott and his "vision"...this is one case where over-ruling the director made for a vastly better film. The narration is actually quite a nice touch on the theatrical release and adds some interesting insight and mood that the Final Cut doesn't, and Ridley pissing on the story with the Deckard/replicant shit is just juvenile. The story is beautiful when Deckard is a human who comes to understand the replicants...it's just fucking silly if he is one. Ruins the whole fucking point, and beyond that why is a replicant sent to kill other ones weaker and less able? Oh, and bleeding red blood?
The only thing good about that version is the enhanced picture, but everything else sucks. Fucking no wonder Prometheus was a dog turd...that man's instincts need tempering. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 8:09:35 PM EDT
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I have the collection with 4 different cuts. I prefer the narration, so my favorite cut was the extended, "International Cut" -- more action plus narration.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 8:56:22 PM EDT
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I enjoy the narration as well.
I enjoy the international version best. .02 |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 9:36:03 PM EDT
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Is this the one with the faggy unicorn dream? Yes... cover your ears and scream obscenities at Ridley Scott during that part. Deckard is not a replicant. The whole point was to show self-aware replicants acting more "human" than Deckard (who hunts them with cold robot-like efficiency). If you make Deckard a robot, the whole "What is human?" question goes right out the window. It's just a stupid action movie with a shitty robot trying to turn off some defective robots. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 9:47:02 PM EDT
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Yes... cover your ears and scream obscenities at Ridley Scott during that part. Deckard is not a replicant. The whole point was to show self-aware replicants acting more "human" than Deckard (who hunts them with cold robot-like efficiency). If you make Deckard a robot, the whole "What is human?" question goes right out the window. It's just a stupid action movie with a shitty robot trying to turn off some defective robots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this the one with the faggy unicorn dream? Yes... cover your ears and scream obscenities at Ridley Scott during that part. Deckard is not a replicant. The whole point was to show self-aware replicants acting more "human" than Deckard (who hunts them with cold robot-like efficiency). If you make Deckard a robot, the whole "What is human?" question goes right out the window. It's just a stupid action movie with a shitty robot trying to turn off some defective robots. Exactly. "More human than human" has no meaning at all if Deckard is a replicant. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 9:51:19 PM EDT
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I have the collection with 4 different cuts. I prefer the narration, so my favorite cut was the extended, "International Cut" -- more action plus narration. Is he a replicant in that version? I'm not a fan of the narration, but I hate the idea of him being a replicant even more. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:09:54 PM EDT
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Fuck that shit. Take your Jedi Rocks and CGI Jabba scene and GTFO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No noticible differences. Still one of the best si fi movies ever. IMHO that is That's the general consensus. It's almost timeless. If you brushed up the special effects a little, you could re-release it today. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fuck that shit. Take your Jedi Rocks and CGI Jabba scene and GTFO. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:13:11 PM EDT
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Mediocre Sci Fi find something different to watch
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked.  |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:06:54 PM EDT
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Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. You should be the next Robert Ebert. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:11:46 AM EDT
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Deckard will return...
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:30:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. Yeah, Deckard being a Replicant basically throws the entire script into the garbage can. It makes none of the movie any sense. Just seems really retarded to send a weak/feeble model against a bad ass Combat model and other killer replicants. Along with the other stuff that would make it not be consistent.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:35:29 PM EDT
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I just turn the shitty dialogue off and put on some slow nuevo-synthwave and enjoy the moods and the overall aesthetic.
You guys are harassing my buzz being all Aspie and shit over the four cuts. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Deckard being a Replicant basically throws the entire script into the garbage can. It makes none of the movie any sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. Yeah, Deckard being a Replicant basically throws the entire script into the garbage can. It makes none of the movie any sense. Just seems really retarded to send a weak/feeble model against a bad ass Combat model and other killer replicants. Along with the other stuff that would make it not be consistent. Deckard could easily have been another model of a the Nexus 6 with his own blade running memories installed and Tyrel and Co. used Rachael as a carrot, and to sooth him. I personally liked it left ambiguous, having you to make up your mind about Deckard's on going mental condition. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:53:14 PM EDT
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The film executives meddled alot with the theatrical release. The final cut is the one Ridley wanted. No narration and all that stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. The film executives meddled alot with the theatrical release. The final cut is the one Ridley wanted. No narration and all that stuff. This. Final Cut is best. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:07:16 PM EDT
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I've got The Final Cut 2 disc special edition (2007) and I think it sucks.
You miss a lot with him not narating. You've got these long, noiseless scenes of the woman's face and some other stuff like that that is really noticeable. Bought it. Watched it once. Would trade in a heartbeat for the original release. Read the book too. TOTALLY different from the movie. Movie is superior. ETA He's not a replicant in the book. But she's a total psycho and they don't get along at all. Matter of fact, she kills his "Real", not replicant. goat he keeps on the roof of his house. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The theatrical version is canon. Everything else is rubbish. Sounds like someone doesn't like the implications of Scott's version. Makes Deckard a vastly more interesting character IMO Interesting is a human starting to see the replicant's desperation even as he hunts them, coming to believe they have been given the short end, and against all he knows to be right falling in love with one. Everything that works in that movie is predicated on Deckard being human, and giving the audience the human perspective. What does it serve to the story to make him a more feeble, unaware replicant? Except to make a cute little "gotcha!" by Ridley? Nothing. I suspect that's why he was over-ruled in the end...everyone else seemed to figure it out but Ridley wanted to be mysterious and play games. Not too different than Lucas "re-imagining" Star Wars with his original vision...which also sucked. Yeah, Deckard being a Replicant basically throws the entire script into the garbage can. It makes none of the movie any sense. Just seems really retarded to send a weak/feeble model against a bad ass Combat model and other killer replicants. Along with the other stuff that would make it not be consistent. Deckard could easily have been another model of a the Nexus 6 with his own blade running memories installed and Tyrel and Co. used Rachael as a carrot, and to sooth him. I personally liked it left ambiguous, having you to make up your mind about Deckard's on going mental condition. Yeah, except that makes no logical or tactical sense and makes for a bad story. The android killer finding empathy for his prey, which is really the moral and philosophical power of the movie, is turned into a plot stunt that doesn't serve anything. No wonder the studio heads meddled, they were in this instance smarter than Scott with a better sense of what the movie was and proved right for decades until the director could monkey with the product. |
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