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You've never sat in one of our club's safety meetings if you think pilots blindly defend their own. Most of the pilots in here are just giving facts to try to counter some of the hysterics that are in play. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't think it's unreasonable to take your daughter to the beach and go swimming without having to be worried about being hit by a plane. But again, I'm just a groundling and not a lofty pilot who soars on the wind, like a bird, untethered by gravity or morality... Worrying about getting hit by a falling plane would be unreasonable since it happens so often. You should try slipping the surly bonds of Earth and touching the face of God. It's a fun hobby. Eh, I don't know if I like the Pilot Tribe, kind of reminds me of cops....automatically defending the questionable actions of one of their own, blaming the victims, and circling the wagons. You've never sat in one of our club's safety meetings if you think pilots blindly defend their own. Most of the pilots in here are just giving facts to try to counter some of the hysterics that are in play. Pilots are probably more critical of each other, than anyone else. The majority of light plane accidents are caused by the pilot doing something stupid, like running out of gas, flying into weather, or stalling in the pattern. It happens all the time. Nobody is saying that the pilot did the right thing by landing on people, but sometime, shit happens, despite your best efforts. I just don't get the people that are calling the pilot in question a coward and a murderer, just because it's a hobby. You don't forfeit your life, just because you're flying an airplane. If you're driving to work, or driving to the gun range, the same rules apply. Your moral obligations don't change, just because the trip is for your own personal pleasure. The pilot said that he didn't see the people he hit. If he has seen them and could have avoided them, but chose to hit them anyway, that would be different. That's the difference between "murder", and a tragic accident. |
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You completely ignored the part where he identified a section of beach that he observed to be empty and like a dog with a bone jump right on the little bits that support your hysterical position even though the additional information from the NTSB, which does not contradict anything in the letter, only disproves your position. Perhaps you and some like minded folks can start a Million Groundling March and demand common sense aviation regulations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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From the pilot: http://wfla.images.worldnow.com/images/4339445_G.jpg http://wfla.images.worldnow.com/images/4339446_G.jpg Important parts: "on the shore" "rest on the waters edge" Dude killed that kid and her dad to save his worthless hide. You completely ignored the part where he identified a section of beach that he observed to be empty and like a dog with a bone jump right on the little bits that support your hysterical position even though the additional information from the NTSB, which does not contradict anything in the letter, only disproves your position. Perhaps you and some like minded folks can start a Million Groundling March and demand common sense aviation regulations. Not to mention the fact that he also had a passenger on board, whose life he was directly responsible for. |
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I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable. Bad...very bad. View Quote I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. |
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I guess GA craft must now have self destruct mechanisms so anytime there is a possibility of accidentally landing on people in an emergency situation, the pilot and passengers can bail out and engage the self destruct in the minute before accidentally taking out people on the ground .
Realize the engine and prop weigh at least 400 pounds. Landing gear are also like that in mass. Going to be a big explosion.
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I guess GA craft must now have self destruct mechanisms so anytime there is a possibility of accidentally landing on people in an emergency situation, the pilot and passengers can bail out and engage the self destruct in the minute before accidentally taking out people on the ground . Realize the engine and prop weigh at least 400 pounds. Landing gear are also like that in mass. Going to be a big explosion. View Quote I'm totally on board! |
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I guess GA craft must now have self destruct mechanisms so anytime there is a possibility of accidentally landing on people in an emergency situation, the pilot and passengers can bail out and engage the self destruct in the minute before accidentally taking out people on the ground . Realize the engine and prop weigh at least 400 pounds. Landing gear are also like that in mass. Going to be a big explosion. I'm totally on board! Hey Keith, how big would the charge need to be on RarestRX's next 737 flight to ensure no parts land that can hurt anyone in case of a problem? |
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Quoted: Hey Keith, how big would the charge need to be on RarestRX's next 737 flight to ensure no parts land that can hurt anyone in case of a problem? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess GA craft must now have self destruct mechanisms so anytime there is a possibility of accidentally landing on people in an emergency situation, the pilot and passengers can bail out and engage the self destruct in the minute before accidentally taking out people on the ground . Realize the engine and prop weigh at least 400 pounds. Landing gear are also like that in mass. Going to be a big explosion. I'm totally on board! Hey Keith, how big would the charge need to be on RarestRX's next 737 flight to ensure no parts land that can hurt anyone in case of a problem? Hyperbole. Anyone thinking life should be risk free needs to enter a bubble and stay there. Do not travel, period. More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd.
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More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd. Let's consider the deaths caused by automobiles. Automobiles just driving around for no damn good reason, no less. Assholes just out for a Sunday drive like it's their hobby or something. You should have to prove an actual need for a drivers license before you get one and then you can only use it for important stuff! Because I'll be damned if I'll be put at risk for somebody's hobby!! |
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So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd. Let's consider the deaths caused by automobiles. Automobiles just driving around for no damn good reason, no less. Assholes just out for a Sunday drive like it's their hobby or something. You should have to prove an actual need for a drivers license before you get one and then you can only use it for important stuff! Because I'll be damned if I'll be put at risk for somebody's hobby!! So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. If that kid was riding on the road, he'd be fair game for GD to run down because he delayed their drive by a minute or two... |
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So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd. Let's consider the deaths caused by automobiles. Automobiles just driving around for no damn good reason, no less. Assholes just out for a Sunday drive like it's their hobby or something. You should have to prove an actual need for a drivers license before you get one and then you can only use it for important stuff! Because I'll be damned if I'll be put at risk for somebody's hobby!! So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. And if you kill the kid hiding behind the tree playing hide and go seek we can charge you with murder right? |
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So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd. Let's consider the deaths caused by automobiles. Automobiles just driving around for no damn good reason, no less. Assholes just out for a Sunday drive like it's their hobby or something. You should have to prove an actual need for a drivers license before you get one and then you can only use it for important stuff! Because I'll be damned if I'll be put at risk for somebody's hobby!! So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. Fail. Our intrepid car driver went for the tree but ended up killing the guy pruning it that he couldn't see. And by your logic that is inexcusable because the guy driving the car didn't have an important enough reason to be driving. |
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Fail. Our intrepid car driver went for the tree but ended up killing the guy pruning it that he couldn't see. And by your logic that is inexcusable because the guy driving the car didn't have an important enough reason to be driving. View Quote Wrong. By the pilots own admission, he saw people on the beach and aimed for what he thought was a deserted spot.... Did he see them in the water? Doesn't matter. He knew there were people on the beach. The fact there were people on the beach should have automatically disqualified that area as a landing zone. Much like my soccer field analogy, dude saw that a game was going on but thought he could put it down at midfield where he didn't see anyone. The soccer field should never have been a valid option once he saw players on the field. |
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This thread has a cadre' of shit stirrers that have never piloted an airplane in any conditions, let alone an emergency, and they ought to keep quiet, they might learn something so they don't remain quite as ignorant on the subject.
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This is the most ignorant, stupid thread I have read in a long time.
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I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable. Bad...very bad. I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. Good catch on the "stick shaker". Must be a new option from Piper.... |
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This thread has a cadre' of shit stirrers that have never piloted an airplane in any conditions, let alone an emergency, and they ought to keep quiet, they might learn something so they don't remain quite as ignorant on the subject. View Quote They don't want facts, they want to exercise their feels |
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I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable. Bad...very bad. I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. Good catch on the "stick shaker". Must be a new option from Piper.... 45mph might be a little to vertical of an approach, too. |
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This thread has a cadre' of shit stirrers that have never piloted an airplane in any conditions, let alone an emergency, and they ought to keep quiet, they might learn something so they don't remain quite as ignorant on the subject. View Quote Like I said, I'm coming from it from the perspective of the victims. I can tell you all about loving my daughter and teaching her how to boogie board in the surf. |
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And if you kill the kid hiding behind the tree playing hide and go seek we can charge you with murder right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More people are killed on the beach by sharks than by aircraft. Kill all sharks? Absurd. Let's consider the deaths caused by automobiles. Automobiles just driving around for no damn good reason, no less. Assholes just out for a Sunday drive like it's their hobby or something. You should have to prove an actual need for a drivers license before you get one and then you can only use it for important stuff! Because I'll be damned if I'll be put at risk for somebody's hobby!! So your brakes fail on a hill, where do you steer at the bottom? http://treegrowersdiary.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Street-tree-051505.jpg Sidewalk or tree? Our intrepid pilot thought he could make the sidewalk work. He should have hit the tree. And if you kill the kid hiding behind the tree playing hide and go seek we can charge you with murder right? He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. |
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. View Quote The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. |
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Quoted: Like I said, I'm coming from it from the perspective of the victims. I can tell you all about loving my daughter and teaching her how to boogie board in the surf. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This thread has a cadre' of shit stirrers that have never piloted an airplane in any conditions, let alone an emergency, and they ought to keep quiet, they might learn something so they don't remain quite as ignorant on the subject. Like I said, I'm coming from it from the perspective of the victims. I can tell you all about loving my daughter and teaching her how to boogie board in the surf. |
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Quoted: The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. Sometimes your number is up. Deal with it. |
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The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. The point is no matter where he thought was a good place there still could have been someone he didn't see during such a stressful situation. What if he chose the tree and what he didn't see was a young boy playing in his yard and happened to run out in front the tree chasing his ball just as the car hit the tree? Life is dangerous and horrible shit happens. |
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No, you have a fatherly bias. You cannot assume anything because you were not at the controls. How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. Sometimes your number is up. Deal with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. Sometimes your number is up. Deal with it. Oh my god.... The SR22 should have sirens on it so the family can get out of the way. OR if it happens, the pilot should immediately commit seppuku. Or while in a parachute descent, open the door and climb out on the wing to look below the aircraft to shout at people to move out of the way. OR, the plane should have a belly mounted people detector and if it sees that the plane is going to crush people, it should cut the chute free so the plane doesn't impact people and only kills those on board. Unless the shroud lines entangle around a persons neck and the strangle. Oh the potential for tragedy. All planes should be grounded forever, fuck the consequences. |
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The point is no matter where he thought was a good place there still could have been someone he didn't see during such a stressful situation. What if he chose the tree and what he didn't see was a young boy playing in his yard and happened to run out in front the tree chasing his ball just as the car hit the tree? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. The point is no matter where he thought was a good place there still could have been someone he didn't see during such a stressful situation. What if he chose the tree and what he didn't see was a young boy playing in his yard and happened to run out in front the tree chasing his ball just as the car hit the tree? If the guy decided to ditch out at sea and hit a lone freediver, I'd be okay with it. Why? He did his due diligence to get away from the populated beach and tried to ditch in an area which could be reasonably assumed to be free of people. Where he put the plane down on that beach should not have been reasonably assumed to be free of people because he saw them. Not the exact people he hit, but he knew the area had people near it. Quoted:
Life is dangerous and horrible shit happens. Again, I don't get this attitude. It's dangerous for pilots when they engage in their hobby, that risk should not be shared with the people on the ground. Somehow pilots have this blasé attitude about people on the ground. "Well, he tried to put it down in an unpopulated spot on a populated beach. That's good enough. Shit happens, life is rough." Nope, not good enough. |
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Again, I don't get this attitude. It's dangerous for pilots when they engage in their hobby, that risk should not be shared with the people on the ground. Somehow pilots have this blasé attitude about people on the ground. "Well, he tried to put it down in an unpopulated spot on a populated beach. That's good enough. Shit happens, life is rough." Nope, not good enough. View Quote Absolute bullshit. |
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How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. He did his due diligence to purchase a plane that had that system. The people on the beach would have a better chance of getting out of the way/and or survive being hit by it. Quoted:
Sometimes your number is up. Deal with it. Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. The pilot should have taken that exact phrase to heart and did the right thing by ditching far away from people. Instead he aimed for the waterline to increase his own survivability. He should have "dealt with it" and gone swimming. |
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If the guy decided to ditch out at sea and hit a lone freediver, I'd be okay with it. Why? He did his due diligence to get away from the populated beach and tried to ditch in an area which could be reasonably assumed to be free of people. Where he put the plane down on that beach should not have been reasonably assumed to be free of people because he saw them. Not the exact people he hit, but he knew the area had people near it. Again, I don't get this attitude. It's dangerous for pilots when they engage in their hobby, that risk should not be shared with the people on the ground. Somehow pilots have this blasé attitude about people on the ground. "Well, he tried to put it down in an unpopulated spot on a populated beach. That's good enough. Shit happens, life is rough." Nope, not good enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. The point is no matter where he thought was a good place there still could have been someone he didn't see during such a stressful situation. What if he chose the tree and what he didn't see was a young boy playing in his yard and happened to run out in front the tree chasing his ball just as the car hit the tree? If the guy decided to ditch out at sea and hit a lone freediver, I'd be okay with it. Why? He did his due diligence to get away from the populated beach and tried to ditch in an area which could be reasonably assumed to be free of people. Where he put the plane down on that beach should not have been reasonably assumed to be free of people because he saw them. Not the exact people he hit, but he knew the area had people near it. Quoted:
Life is dangerous and horrible shit happens. Again, I don't get this attitude. It's dangerous for pilots when they engage in their hobby, that risk should not be shared with the people on the ground. Somehow pilots have this blasé attitude about people on the ground. "Well, he tried to put it down in an unpopulated spot on a populated beach. That's good enough. Shit happens, life is rough." Nope, not good enough. He had no engine. |
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Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. The pilot should have taken that exact phrase to heart and did the right thing by ditching far away from people. Instead he aimed for the waterline to increase his own survivability. He should have "dealt with it" and gone swimming. View Quote I don't get you. You agree with me that a prosecutor, civil jury, and the FAA will likely determine that his actions were reasonable yet you still fight from a position of ignorance and insist that despite all of these folks saying it is a reasonable action giving the circumstances that it is in fact not. |
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I'm sure it's been asked, but, what is it that you are smoking?
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Quoted: I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable. Bad...very bad. I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. Not BS. I quit flying in 1972. I was a lousy pilot anyway and I could not afford to fly and support my new family. I became medically unqualified to fly many years ago for medical reasons. My ticket is long gone. When I nearly crashed at Norfolk Intl. in 1971 while on a short, steep final, I recall the stall warning screaming at me. I miswrote my initial statement about a "stick shaker". You are entirely correct on that point. I was a pilot. I am no longer. I stand by my initial statements otherwise. |
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Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. The pilot should have taken that exact phrase to heart and did the right thing by ditching far away from people. Instead he aimed for the waterline to increase his own survivability. He should have "dealt with it" and gone swimming. I don't get you. You agree with me that a prosecutor, civil jury, and the FAA will likely determine that his actions were reasonable yet you still fight from a position of ignorance and insist that despite all of these folks saying it is a reasonable action giving the circumstances that it is in fact not. Oh, I don't agree with you about that, especially if I'm on any of those juries. I think the pilot was absolutely negligent. "I spotted an area on the shore which I did not see anyone, and landed the plane." Notice he said "shore" and "landed" also not "ditched". Also note he was looking for people because he knew people were around. |
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Not BS. I quit flying in 1972. I was a lousy pilot anyway and I could not afford to fly and support my new family. I became medically unqualified to fly many years ago for medical reasons. My ticket is long gone. When I nearly crashed at Norfolk Intl. in 1971 while on a short, steep final, I recall the stall warning screaming at me. I miswrote my initial statement about a "stick shaker". You are entirely correct on that point. I was a pilot. I am no longer. I stand by my initial statements otherwise. View Quote Pilot certificates have no expiration date on them. If you were never actually denied a medical you could start flying light sport aircraft tomorrow after a BFR. |
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Not BS. I quit flying in 1972. I was a lousy pilot anyway and I could not afford to fly and support my new family. I became medically unqualified to fly many years ago for medical reasons. My ticket is long gone. When I nearly crashed at Norfolk Intl. in 1971 while on a short, steep final, I recall the stall warning screaming at me. I miswrote my initial statement about a "stick shaker". You are entirely correct on that point. I was a pilot. I am no longer. I stand by my initial statements otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I used to once was a private pilot. No fucking WAY do I get anywhere near the beach with people on it...not for the plane and not for me or my pax. Flying is lots of fun, but it carries with it certain hazards. The pilot knew or damn well should have known this and accepted his responsibilities like a man. He should have picked a spot in the water with no swimmers, put down full flaps and landed with the stall alarm screaming and the stick-shaker just about jumping out of his hands. A water landing at about 45mph should have been survivable. Bad...very bad. I'm calling bullshit that you "were" a private pilot after posting that bullshit. Research your lies better. If you "were" then you still "are" unless the FAA revoked it. But the best part was "stick shaker". Im sure you encountered tons of those in your years of GA flying. Not BS. I quit flying in 1972. I was a lousy pilot anyway and I could not afford to fly and support my new family. I became medically unqualified to fly many years ago for medical reasons. My ticket is long gone. When I nearly crashed at Norfolk Intl. in 1971 while on a short, steep final, I recall the stall warning screaming at me. I miswrote my initial statement about a "stick shaker". You are entirely correct on that point. I was a pilot. I am no longer. I stand by my initial statements otherwise. Fair enough. Sorry I jumped your shit and sorry to hear you had to hang it up for health problems. Glad to hear you're still with us despite all you've been through. I guess this thread is so inundated with bullshit artists I assumed the worst about you. As SmilingBandit pointed out, in the eyes of the FAA you're still a pilot. Just need a medical and a flight review. 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of dual (minimum) and it's possible you could be back at it. And as for stick shakers... They're typically only installed on aircraft that are critically important they not stall. Think swept wing passenger jets. Despite your background, your opinion still sucks donkey balls though. I keed, I keed. |
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... Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. ... You don't "get" much about any part of the accident. Including a read through of the preliminary report from the NTSB. Which said there was nothing wrong with the aircraft. Right? That one? |
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... Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. ... You don't "get" much about any part of the accident. Including a read through of the preliminary report from the NTSB. Which said there was nothing wrong with the aircraft. Right? That one? Sure. If you consider the power plant not working to he nothing wrong. |
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He did his due diligence to purchase a plane that had that system. The people on the beach would have a better chance of getting out of the way/and or survive being hit by it. Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. The pilot should have taken that exact phrase to heart and did the right thing by ditching far away from people. Instead he aimed for the waterline to increase his own survivability. He should have "dealt with it" and gone swimming. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He continually dodges the questions that prove his point incorrect. The pilot didn't choose the tree (ocean), he choose the sidewalk (beach). That's the whole point. He saw people down there and still tried to thread the needle and land between them. He should have said "Can't land there, people." But what do I know? I'm just a groundling, so maybe my moral compass needs calibration to pilot standards. How about this: Same conditions, only the pilot is behind the controls of a Cirrus SR22, a plane that has a ballistically deployed parachute. Same engine out so he exercises the Cirrus Airframe Protection System (CAPS ®). Now he has absolutely NO control of where he lands and because he is falling at 8 feet per second (or more) and crushes a family having a picnic on the beach. He did his due diligence to purchase a plane that had that system. The people on the beach would have a better chance of getting out of the way/and or survive being hit by it. Quoted:
Sometimes your number is up. Deal with it. Again, I don't get this attitude towards the victims. The pilot should have taken that exact phrase to heart and did the right thing by ditching far away from people. Instead he aimed for the waterline to increase his own survivability. He should have "dealt with it" and gone swimming. You'd probably be insinuating Sullenberger was an irresponsible murderer if he'd hit a boat in the Hudson. |
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Which said there was nothing wrong with the aircraft. Right? That one? wow http://www.wfla.com/story/26282097/no-obvious-cause-of-venice-beach-air-crash-investigation-continues Investigators still are not sure what caused a plane to crash on a beach near Venice last month and kill a father and daughter. The National Transportation Safety Board released its preliminary report on the accident on Thursday. Investigators with the NTSB, the Federal Aviation Administration, the manufacturer of the airplane and the engine found no obvious clues as to why the Piper Cherokee lost power and crashed on Caspersen Beach. Investigators found no obvious problems with the plane's fuel supply line, or the fuel tank's vent system.
It found no anomalies with engine compression, magneto spark, fuel quality or the engine crankshaft. NTSB found the aircraft had plenty of fuel. It de-fueled the plane, removed its wings, took it to a storage facility then restarted the engine. Afterward investigators removed, disassembled and examined the carburetor. They found nothing that would preclude normal operation. The NTSB'S investigation of the engine's electrical system, air induction and fuel delivery systems continues. Enjoy your crow. |
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