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Am I in before people claim to see bikes doing wheelies and triple digit speeds between cars "all the time?" Hell, if my Buell could wheelie at triple digit speeds ... My dream is to overcook a corner in the mountains and wingsuit it to safety. Unfortunately, wingsuits lend themselves more to a scooter geometry than motorcycle geometry. And scooters don't lend themselves to a sufficient launch velocity. I have ridden some modded ( Modified ) Lambretta and Vespa scooters that hauled ass. Scary quick and fast. This Vespa need to get me to a V0 such that my parabolic arc gets me to ~105 KEAS before I run out of AGL. I'm putting a lot of trust in you, dude. Let's do this! High side? Yeah, I think High Side is Best Side for this sort of thing, but that's not how it's really going to work in practice. Hopefully, there is something that trips me out of the over-leaned low-side - that's a tad bit softer than a guard rail. With this magical guarantee, I can then transition to my batsuit! Landing the wingsuit in Class III rapids is just icing on the cake! |
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Lane splitting is definitely on the list of things one expects to see in the shitholes of the developing world. Right up there with defecating on the streets.
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Quoted: He don't need no stinkin' knobbies if it ain't gonna rain. Velcro to dirt, or Velcro to asphalt? I'm going to chose: Velcro to asphalt. It's ok to slide on dirt, but there's a much greater penalty for sliding on asphalt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. You killed your knobs! He don't need no stinkin' knobbies if it ain't gonna rain. Velcro to dirt, or Velcro to asphalt? I'm going to chose: Velcro to asphalt. It's ok to slide on dirt, but there's a much greater penalty for sliding on asphalt. |
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Zactly, we get to the places we want to go off road just fine and not as slow as you would think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. You killed your knobs! He don't need no stinkin' knobbies if it ain't gonna rain. Velcro to dirt, or Velcro to asphalt? I'm going to chose: Velcro to asphalt. It's ok to slide on dirt, but there's a much greater penalty for sliding on asphalt. I've got a Buell Ulysses and knobbies aren't even an option. Regardless, I'm not sure knobbies would help me much in snot-slick wet clay, or algae-slicked water crossings. |
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Quoted: Zactly, we get to the places we want to go off road just fine and not as slow as you would think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. You killed your knobs! He don't need no stinkin' knobbies if it ain't gonna rain. Velcro to dirt, or Velcro to asphalt? I'm going to chose: Velcro to asphalt. It's ok to slide on dirt, but there's a much greater penalty for sliding on asphalt. Hence the
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There is a law 22350 CVC, not specific to motorcycles but it can be used against someone lane splitting
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Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. WTF |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. WTF Anti 2-stroke. Did you know some counties are outlawing leaf blowers now? Yeah... good times.
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There's always so much butt-hurt in lane-splitting/sharing threads.
I wish I had my GoPro on today while I split thru thousands of cars on the 91 and the 55 just to post the video here and feel the love. |
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Anti 2-stroke. Did you know some counties are outlawing leaf blowers now? Yeah... good times. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. WTF Anti 2-stroke. Did you know some counties are outlawing leaf blowers now? Yeah... good times. So restricted 2-stroke laws mean that the trails are bunk in CA? |
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Quoted: So restricted 2-stroke laws mean that the trails are bunk in CA? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. WTF Anti 2-stroke. Did you know some counties are outlawing leaf blowers now? Yeah... good times. So restricted 2-stroke laws mean that the trails are bunk in CA? The trails still open are fun as shit. Hollister hills is a blast. I never got to ride silver creek
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No shoulder on either side, clearly in the opposite traffic direction lane. See, the thing is I don't mind lane sharing (I ride motorcycles but don't do it) at lights and places where you are not impeding the flow of other drivers. Have you ever been behind someone at the gate when they are stopped, digging for their ID, and usually take twice as long as vehicles to get moving? The entitlement factor of this rider is amazing, meaning his time is more important than anyone else's. Does the extra 30 seconds make a difference in the big picture? Probably not, but it doesn't help the argument for lane splitting and motorcyclist's entitlement reputation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was on a one lane (both ways) road today waiting in line to get into base. This motorcycle splits the double line and rides past everyone to the sentry gate. The amount of horns going off was musical. Some Navy kid that apparently thinks that's somehow legal lane splitting. You mean lane sharing? Would you rather he did it on the shoulder side instead? (Not that I care either way, but I wait in line like everyone else at the gate. I will skip to the front at lights and stop signs though.) No shoulder on either side, clearly in the opposite traffic direction lane. See, the thing is I don't mind lane sharing (I ride motorcycles but don't do it) at lights and places where you are not impeding the flow of other drivers. Have you ever been behind someone at the gate when they are stopped, digging for their ID, and usually take twice as long as vehicles to get moving? The entitlement factor of this rider is amazing, meaning his time is more important than anyone else's. Does the extra 30 seconds make a difference in the big picture? Probably not, but it doesn't help the argument for lane splitting and motorcyclist's entitlement reputation. With you 100%. I personally don't care if a motorcyclist 'lane splits' or 'lane shares' over a double yellow. It's his ass... :) Stupid fuckers at the gate (type of vehicle be damned) will always be stupid fuckers. May fuck be upon them. |
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I was on a one lane (both ways) road today waiting in line to get into base. This motorcycle splits the double line and rides past everyone to the sentry gate. The amount of horns going off was musical. Some Navy kid that apparently thinks that's somehow legal lane splitting. You mean lane sharing? Would you rather he did it on the shoulder side instead? (Not that I care either way, but I wait in line like everyone else at the gate. I will skip to the front at lights and stop signs though.) No shoulder on either side, clearly in the opposite traffic direction lane. See, the thing is I don't mind lane sharing (I ride motorcycles but don't do it) at lights and places where you are not impeding the flow of other drivers. Have you ever been behind someone at the gate when they are stopped, digging for their ID, and usually take twice as long as vehicles to get moving? The entitlement factor of this rider is amazing, meaning his time is more important than anyone else's. Does the extra 30 seconds make a difference in the big picture? Probably not, but it doesn't help the argument for lane splitting and motorcyclist's entitlement reputation. I don't think you understand the context of the situation. He doesn't. |
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I wish it where illegal. I hear its supposed to be regulated to certain times and speeds but they just blatantly split lanes at any speed any time they want. Guess what traffic is, Its waiting in line. I don't go slow in my car because I can't fit. I'm fucking waiting in line. Just because a bike fits doesn't mean it should. View Quote So you'd rather wait in an even longer line than you do now..... |
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Ok, but how does the law differentiate lane splitting on a straight section of multilane interstate / suburban whatever, and someone cutting off your line on Mulholland Drive? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Ok, but how does the law differentiate lane splitting on a straight section of multilane interstate / suburban whatever, and someone cutting off your line on Mulholland Drive? Simple, if I take your line away from you, then we're racing & you're not going fast enough...... When I was 16 I rode from California to Arkansas, through Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, & Arkansas... Spent most the time next to my Dad on his Bike & not one Cop pulled us over for it......... Got stationed in Virgina in 1974, was riding my Bike & some other rider freaks out when I pull up next to him..... I've ridden in a large group, up to 400-500 Bikes, some times we're side by side, other times we're staggered.... Just depends on the conditions..... If you can't ride side by side, you're traveling way over the speed limit for that road....... |
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I'm no expert on traffic law, but lane splitting isn't lane sharing. I't's actually pretty specific.. you're not allowed to exceed 5mph over the flow of traffic and no more than 25mph max while lane splitting. So lane splitting while traffic is going 60mph is definitely illegal. It's not a do what you want law. The basis is that in gridlock motorcycles can move safely in between lanes while other cars are stopped or moving very slowly. And it's a correct, safe and practical practice. Lane splitting when traffic is moving over 25mph is illegal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Always thought it was a pretty dangerous practice. It's not. Banning it is stupid. And good luck chasing any violators in gridlock. Is there anything in CA law that say that if you are overtaking a vehicle while sharing the same lane, that you have to yield right of way to that vehicle? I'm no expert on traffic law, but lane splitting isn't lane sharing. I't's actually pretty specific.. you're not allowed to exceed 5mph over the flow of traffic and no more than 25mph max while lane splitting. So lane splitting while traffic is going 60mph is definitely illegal. It's not a do what you want law. The basis is that in gridlock motorcycles can move safely in between lanes while other cars are stopped or moving very slowly. And it's a correct, safe and practical practice. Lane splitting when traffic is moving over 25mph is illegal. That's changed from the '60s-'70s......... Back then it was legal at speed...... |
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Democratic Peoples Republic of California. So, by adopting traffic enforcement that is more closely aligned with long standing enforcement practices in all the other states, California is somehow an overbearing totalitarian state? Is lane splitting legal in Florida? Yes. Yes. I thought California was "Better" than everyone else. The Californians keep telling me so. You are doubling down on the California stuff. And what you are said seems to run counter to the text of Florida statute.... 316.209 Operating motorcycles on roadways laned for traffic.—
(2) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/316.209 We understand, Virgina is for Lovers, not Bikers...... |
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The trails still open are fun as shit. Hollister hills is a blast. I never got to ride silver creek View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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WTF Anti 2-stroke. Did you know some counties are outlawing leaf blowers now? Yeah... good times. So restricted 2-stroke laws mean that the trails are bunk in CA? The trails still open are fun as shit. Hollister hills is a blast. I never got to ride silver creek My old RM370B still has a Green Sticker on it's 2 stroke bad ass........... |
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Simple, if I take your line away from you, then we're racing & you're not going fast enough...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Ok, but how does the law differentiate lane splitting on a straight section of multilane interstate / suburban whatever, and someone cutting off your line on Mulholland Drive? Simple, if I take your line away from you, then we're racing & you're not going fast enough...... It's reckless driving - both by statue and by any honest definition. Doing something that can interfere with someone else's navigation through a corner can lead to their death, and death or serious injury to oncoming motorists. |
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I wish it where illegal. I hear its supposed to be regulated to certain times and speeds but they just blatantly split lanes at any speed any time they want. Guess what traffic is, Its waiting in line. I don't go slow in my car because I can't fit. I'm fucking waiting in line. Just because a bike fits doesn't mean it should. View Quote Waaah waaah waahh its not faaaaiiiiirrrrr waah waah waah |
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Just depends on the conditions..... If you can't ride side by side, you're traveling way over the speed limit for that road....... View Quote People have no business riding side by side on roads where I live. Perfectly safe and legal speeds for individual motorcyclists are ridiculously dangerous, if not impossible, for side by side riders. |
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I got passed by about a dozen lane-splitting motorcycles on the way home from work today, which is typical. Traffic was slow as usual. I always move over to give them as much room as possible. View Quote This. And I am amazed that given our state's desire to be at the very top of the nanny list, lane splitting has not been made illegal. |
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Passing a car from behind in the same lane on your motorcyle sounds like a great way to get killed. You're already driving a small, easy to miss vehicle... and then you're going to sneak past a car within the same lane? Yeah, that sounds totally safe. FTR, I don't think it should be illegal, mostly because I doubt it carries much risk to anyone but the guy on the motorcycle. View Quote Yet in every bicycle hate thread that's exactly what folks say should be done..... Lane sharing can be fine or it can be stupid - depends on the particular circumstances. |
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. Any large metro area sucks for dirtbikes. I have friends in North Edwards - they ride from the garage every day. |
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. <a href="http://s168.photobucket.com/user/Pinepig/media/IMG_20140712_112908_zpstd664uct.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/Pinepig/IMG_20140712_112908_zpstd664uct.jpg</a> Location? |
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It's reckless driving - both by statue and by any honest definition. Doing something that can interfere with someone else's navigation through a corner can lead to their death, and death or serious injury to oncoming motorists. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Ok, but how does the law differentiate lane splitting on a straight section of multilane interstate / suburban whatever, and someone cutting off your line on Mulholland Drive? Simple, if I take your line away from you, then we're racing & you're not going fast enough...... It's reckless driving - both by statue and by any honest definition. Doing something that can interfere with someone else's navigation through a corner can lead to their death, and death or serious injury to oncoming motorists. What are you doing that the person is trying to pass like that? Are you driving in such a way to keep them behind you? It sure sounds like it. Just like I've done on the Race Track, to Block someone trying to over take me. The person who takes your line away, would do it, legal or not...... They don't sit there saying I'd do that if it was legal... |
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I wish it where illegal. I hear its supposed to be regulated to certain times and speeds but they just blatantly split lanes at any speed any time they want. Guess what traffic is, Its waiting in line. I don't go slow in my car because I can't fit. I'm fucking waiting in line. Just because a bike fits doesn't mean it should. View Quote You're in good company with thinking there should be a law because your feelings are hurt. |
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California is probably the one of the best states for Motorcycle riders. Lots of mountains and twisty roads, coast highways, and deserts if you like off roaring. And lane splitting, and you can ride all year round, it barely rains. Yes, this state rocks for sport bikes. Sucks for dirt bikes. Any large metro area sucks for dirtbikes. I have friends in North Edwards - they ride from the garage every day. Put some Street Tires on a big single & they work real good for heavy traffic in a big City........ |
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I was always amazed at the skill of the lane splitters. Even the big ass hogs did it. Lived there for 25+ years and drove the busiest So Cal freeways all the time.
Also drove an ambulance for a year and a half and one night when I was driving a fatass Ford mod (typical box ambulance you'd imagine) I was in heavy traffic near USC on the 110 freeway in the far left lane. Every lane was moving the same speed and low and behold some crotch rocket comes roaring up. I'm creeping along but this big ass vehicle moves with the road and I'm clearly filling my lane. He pulls past me and gets to the hood area, looks back and smacks the hood as if I wronged him in some way. He's lucky he didn't get squished. |
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I'm no expert on traffic law, but lane splitting isn't lane sharing. I't's actually pretty specific.. you're not allowed to exceed 5mph over the flow of traffic and no more than 25mph max while lane splitting. So lane splitting while traffic is going 60mph is definitely illegal. It's not a do what you want law. The basis is that in gridlock motorcycles can move safely in between lanes while other cars are stopped or moving very slowly. And it's a correct, safe and practical practice. Lane splitting when traffic is moving over 25mph is illegal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Always thought it was a pretty dangerous practice. It's not. Banning it is stupid. And good luck chasing any violators in gridlock. Is there anything in CA law that say that if you are overtaking a vehicle while sharing the same lane, that you have to yield right of way to that vehicle? I'm no expert on traffic law, but lane splitting isn't lane sharing. I't's actually pretty specific.. you're not allowed to exceed 5mph over the flow of traffic and no more than 25mph max while lane splitting. So lane splitting while traffic is going 60mph is definitely illegal. It's not a do what you want law. The basis is that in gridlock motorcycles can move safely in between lanes while other cars are stopped or moving very slowly. And it's a correct, safe and practical practice. Lane splitting when traffic is moving over 25mph is illegal. Everything you wrote is bullshit. Do a little research b/4 posting. Roy |
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Always thought it was a pretty dangerous practice. It's not. Banning it is stupid. And good luck chasing any violators in gridlock. It's basically because the thermodynamics of air-cooled engines are different from water-cooled. Never could figure out why it pissed people off. If you want that advantage then buy a bike and split lanes yourself. |
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Driving on the Shoulder is illegal here, but there a few off ramps that back up .75-1 miles onto the freeway every day..... The people taking those exits line up on the shoulder, instead of blocking the right lane.... All 4 lanes of the freeway are full, too.... You won't see the PoPo writing them a ticket for driving on the shoulder in those spots...
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