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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:28:18 AM EDT
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“It’s a ‘shoot first, think later’ when it comes to domestic animals,” Trott said. That pretty much reinforces what I've thought all along...Most LEO depts have an official or unofficial "shoot on sight" policy for dogs... Insert multiple CoC violations here: xxxxx |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:28:49 AM EDT
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Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think? How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:29:09 AM EDT
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think? It's a losing argument either way, but by certain written laws and statues' in some states it matches up. Every state is different of course. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:30:31 AM EDT
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Serious answer. The LEO is acting in the performance of their duty. So, no, you do not Quoted:
Is there any real reports of officers being attacked and mauled. Not ankle bitters but real dogs. Nice of them to bring the kid around to say he is sorry, funny when they shoot a dog they never apologize. I don't know who would gather the stats outside of the FBI on a national scale, but are you suggesting that LEOs are never attacked by dogs? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:31:07 AM EDT
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But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im waiting for the homeowner who shoots back because the cops keep killing their family members. Its coming. Dogs are not people. But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:32:02 AM EDT
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How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think? How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? you dont know how that work do ya |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:32:48 AM EDT
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Serious answer. The LEO is acting in the performance of their duty. So, no, you do not I don't know who would gather the stats outside of the FBI on a national scale, but are you suggesting that LEOs are never attacked by dogs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Serious answer. The LEO is acting in the performance of their duty. So, no, you do not Quoted:
Is there any real reports of officers being attacked and mauled. Not ankle bitters but real dogs. Nice of them to bring the kid around to say he is sorry, funny when they shoot a dog they never apologize. I don't know who would gather the stats outside of the FBI on a national scale, but are you suggesting that LEOs are never attacked by dogs? What if I didn't know he was LEO? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:34:46 AM EDT
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if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im waiting for the homeowner who shoots back because the cops keep killing their family members. Its coming. Dogs are not people. But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. Exactly where other that the last few posts does it say anything about fucking cows? What the fuck do cows have to do with any of this other than misdirection |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:35:21 AM EDT
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Im waiting for the homeowner who shoots back because the cops keep killing their family members. Its coming. Dogs are not people. But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. Exactly where other that the last few posts does it say anything about fucking cows? What the fuck do cows have to do with any of this other than misdirection Property is property dude. EDT: Property was what I was talking about.....see where this string started. I asked a question about property. Dogs, cows, cars, homes, whatever. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:35:35 AM EDT
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:36:34 AM EDT
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Exactly where other that the last few posts does it say anything about fucking cows? What the fuck do cows have to do with any of this other than misdirection Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im waiting for the homeowner who shoots back because the cops keep killing their family members. Its coming. Dogs are not people. But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. Exactly where other that the last few posts does it say anything about fucking cows? What the fuck do cows have to do with any of this other than misdirection nowhere. its a specific response to a specific question 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:37:25 AM EDT
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Im waiting for the homeowner who shoots back because the cops keep killing their family members. Its coming. Dogs are not people. But they are property. In some states that still matters. Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" if your cows are out on someone elses property and are causing or about to cause damage yes, they can be shot. Exactly where other that the last few posts does it say anything about fucking cows? What the fuck do cows have to do with any of this other than misdirection Cows have killed more LEOs in the line of duty than dogs.. Cows are dangerous.. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:37:26 AM EDT
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think? How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? you dont know how that work do ya LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:37:58 AM EDT
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How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Here. And here. Here too. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:38:23 AM EDT
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LEO's do not shoot dogs for simply "approaching" or barking. How else would some of you expect a LEO to react when threatened by a barking/snarling dog that "approaches" with it's teeth bared?????? I've been to the E.R. twice because of dog attacks. I have sent many dogs to dog heaven. Anyone who does not take a dog bite/attack seriously doesn't know what in the hell they're talking about. GD may now return to delivering pizza. Of course they don't, there's a fucking story everyday about cops shooting the dag. Just curious....is it part of your training? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:38:59 AM EDT
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LEO's do not shoot dogs for simply "approaching" or barking. How else would some of you expect a LEO to react when threatened by a barking/snarling dog that "approaches" with it's teeth bared?????? I've been to the E.R. twice because of dog attacks. I have sent many dogs to dog heaven. Anyone who does not take a dog bite/attack seriously doesn't know what in the hell they're talking about. GD may now return to delivering pizza. Yeah we all deliver pizza for a living. Congrats! You just joined the pain everyone with a broad stroke basement dwelling GD crowd. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:39:09 AM EDT
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LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Lethal force is legal to be used in defense of yourself or another from the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. What do you think? How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? you dont know how that work do ya LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' thanx DUDE, glad I could be of help DUDE
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:39:50 AM EDT
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The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Before leaving the scene, the officers brought the suspect by, to apologize." Are you fucking kidding me?!!! I'm pro-LEO (LEOs in my county rock!) but damn, those officers must not have any sense of personal accountability at all. The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. Last time that happened was in Moorhead City NC. A big red nose pit came tearing around the corner towards my GF and me. I never drew or fired. I tell ya what I did. I stopped and took a half second to read the dog. Yep, tongue hanging out. Just off leash and going for a run. I leaned forward, clapped my hands, and said GET over here ya big goofy mutt! He came over and was getting massive ear scratches from both of us when his owner, a terrified black teenage guy came running around the corner too. Seems fido had just gotten big enough to clear their backyard fence and decided to go for a run. He thanked us for stopping his dog before a cop saw it.
Of course cops don't always have time to read a dog, but from the casual attitude of some folks, and the frequency of cops shooting dogs these days, I have to wonder if there's a culture of negligent casual brutality in some departments. I swear, some look to be as bad as hadjis where dogs are concerned. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:40:30 AM EDT
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How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement?  Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:41:58 AM EDT
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LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? you dont know how that work do ya LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' Its no longer a "use of force continuum" The current model is usually a wheel, with the officer in the middle. The old ladder continuum made some officers think they had to exhaust lesser levels of force before they could move up the ladder Its an antiquated use of force model that looked good on an overhead projector during in-service training back in the 80s. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:42:27 AM EDT
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So I can shoot a dog without fear of prosecution if it approaches me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Before leaving the scene, the officers brought the suspect by, to apologize." Are you fucking kidding me?!!! I'm pro-LEO (LEOs in my county rock!) but damn, those officers must not have any sense of personal accountability at all. The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. So I can shoot a dog without fear of prosecution if it approaches me? Only if you're a cop. The cool part is even if you miss and say, shoot a kid, you'll still be golden cause yo. You've got a badge. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:42:39 AM EDT
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE Quoted:
Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?Of course there are other scenarios. There might be an Investigator in plain clothes...but if they are acting in an official capacity they have their badge visible. Or you might have SWAT guys, but its hard to miss all that gear they wear and think its what..the gas meter reader? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:43:12 AM EDT
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Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?if your dog is acting in a threatening manner at someone and they are about to shoot your dog in legal self defense you have no right to shoot the human to defend your dog no matter who it is. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:43:46 AM EDT
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Its no longer a "use of force continuum" The current model is usually a wheel, with the officer in the middle. The old ladder continuum made some officers think they had to exhaust lesser levels of force before they could move up the ladder Its an antiquated use of force model that looked good on an overhead projector during in-service training back in the 80s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about use of force continuum? Fuck it? Bypass all other means directly to deadly force? you dont know how that work do ya LOL seriously DUDE you have no idea who I am or my background so uh, yeah you are right. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! You know not all of us are basement dwellers. Just sayin' Its no longer a "use of force continuum" The current model is usually a wheel, with the officer in the middle. The old ladder continuum made some officers think they had to exhaust lesser levels of force before they could move up the ladder Its an antiquated use of force model that looked good on an overhead projector during in-service training back in the 80s. Thanks for the response. It has been while since I have done that work. Yes I dated myself. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:43:58 AM EDT
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Last time that happened was in Moorhead City NC. A big red nose pit came tearing around the corner towards my GF and me. I never drew or fired. I tell ya what I did. I stopped and took a half second to read the dog. Yep, tongue hanging out. Just off leash and going for a run. I leaned forward, clapped my hands, and said GET over here ya big goofy mutt! He came over and was getting massive ear scratches from both of us when his owner, a terrified black teenage guy came running around the corner too. Seems fido had just gotten big enough to clear their backyard fence and decided to go for a run. He thanked us for stopping his dog before a cop saw it.
Of course cops don't always have time to read a dog, but from the casual attitude of some folks, and the frequency of cops shooting dogs these days, I have to wonder if there's a culture of negligent casual brutality in some departments. I swear, some look to be as bad as hadjis where dogs are concerned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Before leaving the scene, the officers brought the suspect by, to apologize." Are you fucking kidding me?!!! I'm pro-LEO (LEOs in my county rock!) but damn, those officers must not have any sense of personal accountability at all. The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. Last time that happened was in Moorhead City NC. A big red nose pit came tearing around the corner towards my GF and me. I never drew or fired. I tell ya what I did. I stopped and took a half second to read the dog. Yep, tongue hanging out. Just off leash and going for a run. I leaned forward, clapped my hands, and said GET over here ya big goofy mutt! He came over and was getting massive ear scratches from both of us when his owner, a terrified black teenage guy came running around the corner too. Seems fido had just gotten big enough to clear their backyard fence and decided to go for a run. He thanked us for stopping his dog before a cop saw it.
Of course cops don't always have time to read a dog, but from the casual attitude of some folks, and the frequency of cops shooting dogs these days, I have to wonder if there's a culture of negligent casual brutality in some departments. I swear, some look to be as bad as hadjis where dogs are concerned. Good story......when was the last report of a non LEO shooting a dog?? Don't hear many of those. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:44:07 AM EDT
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:45:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:46:14 AM EDT
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?if your dog is acting in a threatening manner at someone and they are about to shoot your dog in legal self defense you have no right to shoot the human to defend your dog no matter who it is. I disagree. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:46:28 AM EDT
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It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. I'm not "baiting" you in any way. I'm reading what you posted and I can only interpret your comment as I stated. But if you want me to click you, you got it *click* |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:47:06 AM EDT
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:47:47 AM EDT
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Last year I was scouting for elk and I was on an old forest road. 8 am and I'm all lone walking down this
trail. All of the sudden I hear this dog barking. I turn and see a large Rottweiler coming at me from the woods. I'm like, "are you fucking kidding me?" I drew my sidearm and waited to see what the dog was going to do. She finally stopped and stood there barking at me, no teeth, no growling, just barking...that's what dogs do. A minute later some dude on horseback shows up. I could have easily shot that dog but I didn't, as it wasn't a threat yet. A few minutes later I was scratching her ears. Had I been a trained LE, the dog would most likely be dead today. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:48:09 AM EDT
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I was rushed by a large grey pit bull while in the hood yesterday working. I was not bit. In fact, I had the damn thing rolled over on it's back while giving it a neck scratch waiting for it's dumb ass owner to show up. If you are around dogs a lot due to your job and won't teach yourself how to read them, you're a useless git. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Before leaving the scene, the officers brought the suspect by, to apologize." Are you fucking kidding me?!!! I'm pro-LEO (LEOs in my county rock!) but damn, those officers must not have any sense of personal accountability at all. The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. I was rushed by a large grey pit bull while in the hood yesterday working. I was not bit. In fact, I had the damn thing rolled over on it's back while giving it a neck scratch waiting for it's dumb ass owner to show up. If you are around dogs a lot due to your job and won't teach yourself how to read them, you're a useless git. This. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:48:25 AM EDT
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Since dogs are clearly dangerous, I'm sure someone will be along any minute now to post the number of officers killed every year by vicious dogs. Heck, I'm sure someone will post a SINGLE EXAMPLE of an officer killed by a vicious dog, just to shut us up.. Just one. Amiright? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:48:30 AM EDT
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"Before leaving the scene, the officers brought the suspect by, to apologize." Are you fucking kidding me?!!! I'm pro-LEO (LEOs in my county rock!) but damn, those officers must not have any sense of personal accountability at all. The officers did what they did because of the suspects actions. Lets see how many of you would be confronted by a large strange dog in an alleyway and not do something along the same lines. Then go up to the owner and say "I'm sorry that I had to". Making the person you were chasing appologize for your actions is just being a chicken shit. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:50:15 AM EDT
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LEO's do not shoot dogs for simply "approaching" or barking. How else would some of you expect a LEO to react when threatened by a barking/snarling dog that "approaches" with it's teeth bared?????? I've been to the E.R. twice because of dog attacks. I have sent many dogs to dog heaven. Anyone who does not take a dog bite/attack seriously doesn't know what in the hell they're talking about. GD may now return to delivering pizza. The article made no mention of teeth or aggressive behavior. You can now get back to taking out our trash... |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:50:56 AM EDT
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LEO's do not shoot dogs for simply "approaching" or barking. Some apparently do. How else would some of you expect a LEO to react when threatened by a barking/snarling dog that "approaches" with it's teeth bared?????? I'd probably be inclined to shoot it, but those cases aren't what we're talking about. I've been to the E.R. twice because of dog attacks. Not a good shot are we?...........or did you miss and hit a kid? I have sent many dogs to dog heaven. You sound proud of that. That says something about your character. Anyone who does not take a dog bite/attack seriously doesn't know what in the hell they're talking about. GD may now return to delivering pizza. Message received. I have no badge so I'mjust a peasant and have been chastised for getting uppity. Yeah, Right. Back at ya. . |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:52:02 AM EDT
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. http://greatwallpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/baby-crying10.jpg Wait.....who's the baby crying for? 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:54:52 AM EDT
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. http://greatwallpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/baby-crying10.jpg I see no need to waste time with someone more interested with hurling insults than debating points in a logical and intellectual manner. He posted a question, I posed a reality-based answer, he responded negatively. I find it ironic though that I'm explaining myself to you, then, after your clever .jpg. C'est la vie. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:55:20 AM EDT
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Serious questions because police officers are civilians. If someone is about to destroy my property (my dog), do I not have the right to defend that property with lethal force? I know it won't go well either way, but I'm just curious. Serious answer. The LEO is acting in the performance of their duty. So, no, you do not Quoted:
Is there any real reports of officers being attacked and mauled. Not ankle bitters but real dogs. Nice of them to bring the kid around to say he is sorry, funny when they shoot a dog they never apologize. I don't know who would gather the stats outside of the FBI on a national scale, but are you suggesting that LEOs are never attacked by dogs? No, but the ones that go around wantonly killing dogs are pussies with guns and badges to hide behind. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:57:44 AM EDT
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No, but the ones that go around wantonly killing dogs are pussies with guns and badges to hide behind. Define :wantonly" You seem to think that the LEOs derive some sort of pleasure from having to shoot a dog and seek out those confrontations. I seriously doubt that's the case. Lets put it another way Under local dog laws for all townships in my area ( and I assume this tends to run true elsewhere ) , a dog has to be under the immediate control of its owner at all times. If the dog is confronting LE, it is clearly not under the owners immediate control. Who is really at fault in that case? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:58:11 AM EDT
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Dogs may not kill officers, but they can inflict serious injuries. Officers should not be expected to simply allow themselves to be bitten as I have seen suggested here in the past in similar threads I'd say you needed a better fence if the cow was that important. Haven't seen many dogs shot around here, but one officer did have to shoot a cow I've also seen farmers get their expensive livestock hit by cars and want to blame the cars driver, when in reality it was their poor fencing that contributed to the animal being hit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since dogs are clearly dangerous, I'm sure someone will be along any minute now to post the number of officers killed every year by vicious dogs. Heck, I'm sure someone will post a SINGLE EXAMPLE of an officer killed by a vicious dog, just to shut us up.. Just one. Amiright? Dogs may not kill officers, but they can inflict serious injuries. Officers should not be expected to simply allow themselves to be bitten as I have seen suggested here in the past in similar threads Quoted:
Edt: What if a person shot your cows/bulls that you were depending on to get through the winter because they were "running amuck?" I'd say you needed a better fence if the cow was that important. Haven't seen many dogs shot around here, but one officer did have to shoot a cow I've also seen farmers get their expensive livestock hit by cars and want to blame the cars driver, when in reality it was their poor fencing that contributed to the animal being hit I watched em shooting cattle once when they couldn't get them int the trailer they brought. I rolled down my window anf yelled to stop. One guy came over all bowed up at me until I said to just twist the tail to the side and they move. He looked at me like I was from outer space. City cops... |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:58:17 AM EDT
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I see no need to waste time with someone more interested with hurling insults than debating points in a logical and intellectual manner. He posted a question, I posed a reality-based answer, he responded negatively. I find it ironic though that I'm explaining myself to you, then, after your clever .jpg. C'est la vie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could in the middle of the night and it's dark. Where I live we don't have streetlights, and the porch lights don't go to the property line. And there have been folks who raped/killed people in fake cop uniforms. Just saying. Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. http://greatwallpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/baby-crying10.jpg I see no need to waste time with someone more interested with hurling insults than debating points in a logical and intellectual manner. He posted a question, I posed a reality-based answer, he responded negatively. I find it ironic though that I'm explaining myself to you, then, after your clever .jpg. C'est la vie. If what he said you consider insults.... then you need thicker skin. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:00:18 AM EDT
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?if your dog is acting in a threatening manner at someone and they are about to shoot your dog in legal self defense you have no right to shoot the human to defend your dog no matter who it is. If my dog is on my property, acting in HIS official duty of defending me and my home and is killed by someone, you can be damn sure I will take that as a lethal threat to the safety of my family. that dog is the number one reason my family is safe in the neighborhood I live in. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:01:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:02:06 AM EDT
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Last year I was scouting for elk and I was on an old forest road. 8 am and I'm all lone walking down this trail. All of the sudden I hear this dog barking. I turn and see a large Rottweiler coming at me from the woods. I'm like, "are you fucking kidding me?" I drew my sidearm and waited to see what the dog was going to do. She finally stopped and stood there barking at me, no teeth, no growling, just barking...that's what dogs do. A minute later some dude on horseback shows up. I could have easily shot that dog but I didn't, as it wasn't a threat yet. A few minutes later I was scratching her ears. Had I been a trained LE, the dog would most likely be dead today. And you would be buried in the woods somewhere. Good thing you have situational awareness. I rode my bicycle from Atlanta, to Pensacola, FL and encountered probably 50 dogs on back country roads. If you have ever been on your bicycle for 30 hours you understand the mental and physical strains on the body. It sucks in that 27th hour when you are gassed and a dog comes running after you. My biggest fear was actually being attacked and having to kill the dog, then being killed by the owner. Luckily not one killed me, and I didn't have to shoot any. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:02:22 AM EDT
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Another guy chomping at the bit to have an excuse to kill LE It's just easier to ignore/report you for baiting than to respond to you with any logic. http://greatwallpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/baby-crying10.jpg I see no need to waste time with someone more interested with hurling insults than debating points in a logical and intellectual manner. He posted a question, I posed a reality-based answer, he responded negatively. I find it ironic though that I'm explaining myself to you, then, after your clever .jpg. C'est la vie. If what he said you consider insults.... then you need thicker skin. in-sult noun 'in?s?lt/ a disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. Does it meet the definition of an insult? Yes. Am I offended by it? No. But, there are rules here, and that's pretty disrespectful to automatically assume someone is a wannabe cop killer just because they would fire at a unidentified figure on their property at night whom just fired upon and killed their dog. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:03:08 AM EDT
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in-sult noun 'in?s?lt/ a disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. Does it meet the definition of an insult? Yes. Am I offended by it? No. But, there are rules here, and that's pretty disrespectful to automatically assume someone is a wannabe cop killer just because they would fire at a unidentified figure on their property at night whom just fired upon and killed their dog. Like I said.. thicker skin. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:04:17 AM EDT
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If my dog is on my property, acting in HIS official duty of defending me and my home and is killed by someone, you can be damn sure I will take that as a lethal threat to the safety of my family. that dog is the number one reason my family is safe in the neighborhood I live in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What if I didn't know he was LEO? How would you miss the uniform? Why don't you just admit that you're chomping at the bit to have an excuse to shoot law enforcement? Really.....you can't imagine any scenario where a uniform wouldn't be recognized? And all officers are in there blues all the time?if your dog is acting in a threatening manner at someone and they are about to shoot your dog in legal self defense you have no right to shoot the human to defend your dog no matter who it is. If my dog is on my property, acting in HIS official duty of defending me and my home and is killed by someone, you can be damn sure I will take that as a lethal threat to the safety of my family. that dog is the number one reason my family is safe in the neighborhood I live in. Careful. You're being baited. COC dictates we all act like official lives are worth more than our family members. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:04:51 AM EDT
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Apology is admitting you did something wrong. The police even knew it.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:05:04 AM EDT
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Does it meet the definition of an insult? Yes. Am I offended by it? No. But, there are rules here, and that's pretty disrespectful to automatically assume someone is a wannabe cop killer just because they would fire at a unidentified figure on their property at night whom just fired upon and killed their dog. Sorry, but that's how your comment came across. You're looking for any justification to be able to open up on LE and have an excuse to do so. If you think my comment was an insult, maybe consider what you type a little more carefully. I'm more than happy to discuss opinions, but the site is overrun these days with people itching for confrontations with police One observation on the incident that some people keep overlooking: lots of people saying "if my dog is on my land defending it blah blah"...the dog in question wasn't on the owners land. The LEOs were confronted by a large dog in an alleyway while in pursuit of a fleeing suspect. |
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