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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:28:58 AM EDT
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black rooster?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:31:44 AM EDT
[#2]
It'll be fine. I have no problem carrying cocked and locked.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:32:53 AM EDT
[#3]
Glock > 1911
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:32:53 AM EDT
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No beans.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:33:05 AM EDT
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Series 70 only here. It did seem unsafe to me as a 1911 noob.
After I learned how to detail strip it, I came to appreciate the engineering that went into safety. I also don't give a fuck about all that "hurr a 1911 can discharge if dropped on the muzzle" well if it drops on the fucking muzzle then the round is going into the ground. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:34:45 AM EDT
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I CCW a Glock 29 in a Crossbreed IWB Super Tuck 5-6 days a week while at work (Electrician and oilfield) along with everyday I leave the house and yet have never had any ND or AD or even in my motorcycle accident, it didn't come out of the holster. Follow Col. Cooper's rules and you won't have any issues.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:38:20 AM EDT
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Slide-mounted 'Walther' safety on a Beretta works for me.
Learn what you've chosen to shoot and you'll be fine. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:42:57 AM EDT
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Only way to carry a 1911
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:45:47 AM EDT
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I've carried both the Glock and 1911 and yeah having a manual safety did make me feel a little safer personally. The Glock is lighter on the hip which was nice though for daily carry. I never minded the cocked and locked 1911 since I knew it was perfectly safe, of course some people would see it and think whoa your gun is cocked and ready to fire!! I love my 1911's. Of course I always recommend a Glock to new shooters.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:45:57 AM EDT
[#10]
Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:51:49 AM EDT
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Only way to carry a 1911 I understand what you're saying, but does that mean within the constraints of a holster? what if you don't holster the gun? would it still be the only way to carry the 1911 as 1911 fans see it? Was the gun designed to be carried 'Mexican''; in your underwear?; in a pocket?; with a 'strap' between the hammer and firing pin? I'm sure you get what I'm asking, so folks who don't carry a 1911 'cocked and locked' will also understand the firearm and how it was designed to be used and carried. It's worth explaining from a 1911-expert's point of view to those of 'us' that don't use a 1911. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:52:57 AM EDT
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I never really thought too much about a safety until I started carrying a pistol.
Today, I prefer a safety on only one type of firearm, a single action automatic. All of my DA/SA pistols are decocker only, with the exception of my USP, which has both a safety and a decocker. The long double action on the first pull of a DA/SA is comparable to a revolver, which in most cases doesn't have any kind of safety. I have carried many different types of handguns over the years. I started, like you, with a 1911 style pistol. It got heavy, so I went to a Beretta, which I love. It was my IDPA gun for several seasons. But I tended to "fat thumb" the safety on reload drills. Since the 92 Elite was out of production, I listened to the group and went with a Glock 19, which served me well for a couple years. It was light and easy to carry, reliable, tough, and accurate enough to do what I needed it to. But I had to trade up because the Glock just wasn't any fun for me to shoot. At the end of the match, my hands felt like I set off lady fingers in them. Today, I carry a CZ75 P-01. Its the same size as the Glock 19 I used to carry, but has a alloy frame that doesn't vibrate my hands to numbness. Sure, I lose a round and gain a few ounces. But what I do gain is a proper western grip, a super fucking sweet trigger (compared to a Glock) and a hammer with decocker, which I prefer to a striker fired pistol. Firearms are a very personal item. Even more so when you choose to carry one. Its all just a process, and I believe a never ending one. Also, chili without beans is meat soup. MLP is for children and homos. No exceptions. .45>9mm but all handgun cartridges are inferior to a shotgun or centerfire rifle. AR=AK and they both belong in a trash can because the FAL is where its at. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:55:16 AM EDT
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Only way to carry a 1911 That's how I carry my Springfield RO. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:59:23 AM EDT
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:05:18 AM EDT
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I'm left handed and no ambi safety. I carry safety off. Fuck off. Grip safety has been good enough for me since 1995.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:12:17 AM EDT
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:14:31 AM EDT
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Really? 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:18:07 AM EDT
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago.
What do you carry? Do you even carry? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:21:58 AM EDT
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If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator
I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:23:47 AM EDT
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. You done went and did it now. In for the shit storm 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:31:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you carry? Do you even carry? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. What do you carry? Do you even carry? IF he does, it'd be a narrow band of possibilities, since he just eliminated about 2/3rds of the semiauto pistol designs out there (, although I suppose he could be of the revolver persuasion).
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:35:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. What kind of rifle? A .22... all tactically deployed in a wheelbarrow? If a debarked chihuahua calls out the alarm, how would anyone know?  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:35:45 AM EDT
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If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. Then carry some pepper spray. You drunk midweek? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:58:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself.  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:05:16 AM EDT
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If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. So what do you carry? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:16:47 AM EDT
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Carried a 1911 locked and cocked for a few years.
But I kept finding it unlocked. It would work the safety off from normal carry. Went to unlocked and eventually something that didn't weigh four tons. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:18:01 AM EDT
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Carried some type of 1911 cocked and locked since I was old enough to carry.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:18:40 AM EDT
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If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. Such ignorance, much fail.
Anyway.... The proper way to carry 1911's is "cocked and locked". I know many traditionalists in the 1911 world don't like the series 80 trigger. Personally, I much prefer it (even though I grew up shooting the "series 70" type 1911's). The extra bit of safety from the series 80 is well worth the bit of creep that comes with it. In fact, I kind of prefer having a slight bit of creep. It allows me to "stage" the trigger kind of like I do when I shoot my Glocks and other striker fired guns I have. Any 1911 I buy from now on will only have a series 80 trigger, but that is just my personal preference. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:19:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carried a 1911 locked and cocked for a few years. But I kept finding it unlocked. It would work the safety off from normal carry. Went to unlocked and eventually something that didn't weigh four tons. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:21:36 AM EDT
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I've always carried 1911's in condition one.
Glocks and Sigs the same, with a round in the chamber. I don't view the lack of external safeties on a Sig as a problem, the DA trigger pull is around 12#, you really have to make a concerted effort to fire it. As far as Glock, the best safety is your brain and your trigger finger working together. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:22:54 AM EDT
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Condition 1.
Practice. Get used to it. It is as safe as you are. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:24:58 AM EDT
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Did it have an Ambi- thumb safety? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carried a 1911 locked and cocked for a few years. But I kept finding it unlocked. It would work the safety off from normal carry. Went to unlocked and eventually something that didn't weigh four tons. Did it have an Ambi- thumb safety? The ambi safety is worthless for carry, because you can bump it off. It's not just 1911s, I had an HK45 with ambi that would get bumped off. I just remove any ambi bullshit on any carry gun I own. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:27:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... As far as Glock, the best safety is your brain and your trigger finger working together. ... Because there are enough isolated incidents out there, to make me think that your holster may be working against you:  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:27:47 AM EDT
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I'm relatively new to CCW. I carry a G23 in a Comp-Tac at my kidney...and the only thing that makes me slightly nervous is holstering my gun.
I'm always afraid I'm going to catch the edge of the holster on the trigger, or a wedge of shirt...I tend to check and recheck that it's clear, but I still don't feel completely at ease until it's fully seated in the kydex. ETA: THIS! This is exactly what I worry about! 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:31:17 AM EDT
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... Because there are enough isolated incidents out there, to make me think that your holster may be working against you: http://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/glock_04.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... As far as Glock, the best safety is your brain and your trigger finger working together. ... Because there are enough isolated incidents out there, to make me think that your holster may be working against you: http://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/glock_04.jpg I would never carry a BlOCk (or any trigger safety gun) with a soft holster. You can bunch up a soft holster and have the trigger go off, I managed to do it with a steerhide and Uncle Mike's holster when I was showing the wife why she needed a rigid holster for her PPS. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:31:25 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. The first statement is incorrect, a gun is only as safe as the person handling it. There's nothing inherently safe or unsafe about either method. The second is true, but then again, an idiot can hurt himself in a sandbox with a plastic shovel and pail.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:31:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ambi safety is worthless for carry, because you can bump it off. It's not just 1911s, I had an HK45 with ambi that would get bumped off. I just remove any ambi bullshit on any carry gun I own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Carried a 1911 locked and cocked for a few years. But I kept finding it unlocked. It would work the safety off from normal carry. Went to unlocked and eventually something that didn't weigh four tons. Did it have an Ambi- thumb safety? The ambi safety is worthless for carry, because you can bump it off. It's not just 1911s, I had an HK45 with ambi that would get bumped off. I just remove any ambi bullshit on any carry gun I own. After learning the same lessons (by grace of God go I, no ND/ADs) I did/do, too  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:35:51 AM EDT
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:36:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would never carry a BlOCk (or any trigger safety gun) with a soft holster. You can bunch up a soft holster and have the trigger go off, I managed to do it with a steerhide and Uncle Mike's holster when I was showing the wife why she needed a rigid holster for her PPS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... As far as Glock, the best safety is your brain and your trigger finger working together. ... Because there are enough isolated incidents out there, to make me think that your holster may be working against you: http://www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/glock_04.jpg I would never carry a BlOCk (or any trigger safety gun) with a soft holster. You can bunch up a soft holster and have the trigger go off, I managed to do it with a steerhide and Uncle Mike's holster when I was showing the wife why she needed a rigid holster for her PPS. One DeSantis Scorpion holster replaced a suitcase full of leather that I never really ever use...  |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:41:41 AM EDT
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Yes, idiots have the right to shoot themselves in the leg when they fuck up. If you're going to demean yourself to the lowest common denominator then get your mommy to buy you a rape whistle. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:08:13 AM EDT
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Dropped my 1911 down a flight o concrete stairs cocked and locked. Only dinged the finish but the safety was still on and the hammer was still back.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:00:17 AM EDT
[#42]
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The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:58:39 AM EDT
[#43]
It's the only way I carry. Except for brief trial with Glocks, XDMs, M&Ps that (for the most part) just aren't accurate or have functioning issues, I've carried cocked and locked for about 35 years.
First my 1911 (Combat Commander and then a Series 80) and lately a CZ P07 in .40 S&W. Now that I've got a non-1911 that works and shoots as well as my 1911's (just not in .45 acp but with 13 rounds of hot 135 grain HPs) I'm almost happy. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:02:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Condition one. The way it should be.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:07:36 AM EDT
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All I currently carry are Glocks but I wouldn't hesitate to carry a cocked and locked 1911.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:38:14 AM EDT
[#46]
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Series 70 only here. It did seem unsafe to me as a 1911 noob. After I learned how to detail strip it, I came to appreciate the engineering that went into safety. I also don't give a fuck about all that "hurr a 1911 can discharge if dropped on the muzzle" well if it drops on the fucking muzzle then the round is going into the ground. Jeff Cooper fans will remember the drop tests he conducted with a standard 1911. He completed something like 40 drop tests without a single discharge. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:49:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Felt weird and un-safe to me. For years. I'd see LEO strapped this way with the little thumb break strap between hammer and pin and wonder. Started carrying a John Moses Browning design around, with the '80 series safety, and finally realized how triple safe the design actually is. More comfortable to me than that Glock system. What sayeth the hive? I agree. You just don't hear many "1911 leg" stories. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:28:45 PM EDT
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Hornets nest just been kicked apparently. Research I've done indicates that the design was intended to be carried "condition two", one in the spout, hammer down.
Some say the man himself, JMB, intended condition one, before the thumb safety was even designed! That little feature was only added as a REQUIREMENT of the big army. Some others believe in the "Israeli method" of empty chamber and lowered hammer. C n L for me.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cocked and locked is safer than a condition one glock. Both are safe enough unless you're an idiot. Yup The reality is... some people are idiots. Idiots have rights too. I believe, very strongly, in the right of an individual to defend themselves. I do not believe that Glocks, and their always half-cocked action, are safe for general use. 1911s and their like should have been taken off the market 50 years ago. I support your rights. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I carry anything bigger than a .38 I feel like a wannabe operator I don't want to be an operator, I just want to be able to defend myself. LOL. Bless your heart. |
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