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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:45:17 PM EDT
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420+2A = Losers with guns.
As long as they're not dangerous losers, I'm cool with it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:57:54 PM EDT
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Carl Sagan smoked marijuana. Want to reconsider your blanket statement? Because the one who sounds dumb here is.... well, you know.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Smoking marijuana makes you stupid and we already have enough dumb people in the world. Marijuana should remain illegal! http://www.clipartbest.com/download?clipart=eiMALoynT Thank you for making my point! Carl Sagan smoked marijuana. Want to reconsider your blanket statement? Because the one who sounds dumb here is.... well, you know. Its a known/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, you picked a person who smokes pot to validate your argument and I sound "dumb"!? Its a know/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! Psychological Effects of Marijuana According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the main effects of marijuana on mood vary and may include euphoria, calmness, anxiety, or paranoia. Getting high or "stoned" is the reason most pot smokers use marijuana. Other short-term psychological effects of pot include: Distorted sense of time Paranoia Magical or "random" thinking Short-term memory loss Anxiety and depression Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Smoking marijuana makes you stupid and we already have enough dumb people in the world. Marijuana should remain illegal! http://www.clipartbest.com/download?clipart=eiMALoynT Thank you for making my point! Carl Sagan smoked marijuana. Want to reconsider your blanket statement? Because the one who sounds dumb here is.... well, you know. Seriously, you picked a person who smokes pot to validate your argument and I sound "dumb"!? Its a know/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! Psychological Effects of Marijuana According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the main effects of marijuana on mood vary and may include euphoria, calmness, anxiety, or paranoia. Getting high or "stoned" is the reason most pot smokers use marijuana. Other short-term psychological effects of pot include: Distorted sense of time Paranoia Magical or "random" thinking Short-term memory loss Anxiety and depression By your logic we should make alcohol illegal, since well it alters your mental state in many of the same ways. How about this, let people make there own decisions on pot, and keep the .gov out of it.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:14:06 PM EDT
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As long as the law that legalizes MJ also mandates personal responsibility. I don't care what you do to your body as long as I don't have to pay for it. Get pregnant? Be a parent. Get high? Park your ass in a place you can't hurt others. Want to eat? Get a job. Sick? Go to the doctor and pay him for his services. Drop a can? Pick it up. Hurt somebody? Pay the price. Want more money? Be more productive. Enjoy your freedoms? Support those who have sworn to defend those freedoms.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:15:34 PM EDT
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Its a known/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Smoking marijuana makes you stupid and we already have enough dumb people in the world. Marijuana should remain illegal! http://www.clipartbest.com/download?clipart=eiMALoynT Thank you for making my point! Carl Sagan smoked marijuana. Want to reconsider your blanket statement? Because the one who sounds dumb here is.... well, you know. Its a known/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! You just accused him of committing a crime. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:15:54 PM EDT
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Alcohol is legal. If gun ownership is decoupled from legality of alcohol, why can't gun ownership be decoupled from the legality of pot?
If one truly believes in liberty, the pro-liberty position is obvious here.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:17:31 PM EDT
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Its a known/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Smoking marijuana makes you stupid and we already have enough dumb people in the world. Marijuana should remain illegal! http://www.clipartbest.com/download?clipart=eiMALoynT Thank you for making my point! Carl Sagan smoked marijuana. Want to reconsider your blanket statement? Because the one who sounds dumb here is.... well, you know. Its a known/proven fact that marijuana effects one's ability to think; case in point, your retarded retort! It's almost cute when these sort of fellows come out to play. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:24:53 PM EDT
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Legalizing marijuana sucks, and not to the good.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:25:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:30:30 PM EDT
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By your logic we should make alcohol illegal, since well it alters your mental state in many of the same ways. How about this, let people make there own decisions on pot, and keep the .gov out of it. I don't disagree with you on let the people decide. However, I think marijuana should remain illegal. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:31:16 PM EDT
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You just accused him of committing a crime. Prove it! |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:31:55 PM EDT
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And alcohol comes from plants, just like marijuana. Wheat, barley, sugar from beets or cane, yeast. Marijuana should be legal because currently your federal government only prosecutes American citizens for smuggling small quantities. Mexican illegal aliens smugglers who have less than 500 pounds in their possession are released with no prosecution to return to Mexico within about 24 hours or so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. It should be treated just like alcohol. It is a drug, just as alcohol is. And alcohol comes from plants, just like marijuana. Wheat, barley, sugar from beets or cane, yeast. Marijuana should be legal because currently your federal government only prosecutes American citizens for smuggling small quantities. Mexican illegal aliens smugglers who have less than 500 pounds in their possession are released with no prosecution to return to Mexico within about 24 hours or so. Heroin comes from plants too. As well as opium and cocaine. However, I'm only advocating for the devil. I don't believe the wacky tobacky is anywhere near as harmful as it IS a plant, just like corn, tomatoes and green beans. The difference is alcohol, opiates, cocaine require processing, man-made processes to extract the "good stuff." Weed is just a weed, it grows and is dried to a flammable stage and boom, there you go. It's more of a monetary thing and social thing as it was banned because ainslinger convinced the general populous that it made people go crazy and made white women fornicate with black men. Legalize it and focus law enforcement efforts where they are needed. Who cares if you want to burn it down IN PRIVATE. You can't drink and drive, it's illegal, but how many die each year from alcohol related accidents? How many die each year from cirrhosis or heart failure? Or lung cancer? The difference is the government sells alcohol and profits quite generously from tobacco sales. Plus, you can't grow a Marlboro in your back yard, so Big Tobacco has the market cornered. The gov is in bed with Phillip Morris and Budweiser. Legalize dope and any bubba will grow it in his yard or basement and keep it for personal use and Uncle Sam makes no $$$$. As puff daddy said: it's all about the Benjamin's. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4473, Line Item 11 E. ETA : I've seen TV ads here in Ohio to put it on the ballet. Please do, so I can vote it down. Someone who supports drug laws that shouldn't exist also supports federal gun laws that shouldn't exist? I am John's complete lack of surprise. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:33:46 PM EDT
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Legalizing marijuana sucks, and not to the good. Sometimes I wonder if not smoking marijuana causes brain damage 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. It should be treated just like alcohol. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:35:54 PM EDT
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Alcohol is legal. If gun ownership is decoupled from legality of alcohol, why can't gun ownership be decoupled from the legality of pot? If one truly believes in liberty, the pro-liberty position is obvious here. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:36:00 PM EDT
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Legalizing marijuana sucks, and not to the good. Sometimes I wonder if not smoking marijuana causes brain damage Only a pothead would wonder that!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:37:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:41:23 PM EDT
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Only a pothead would wonder that! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Legalizing marijuana sucks, and not to the good. Sometimes I wonder if not smoking marijuana causes brain damage Only a pothead would wonder that! Negative. Just making a funny 
I personally believe marijuana to be potentially more harmful than popular culture wants to admit to. It certainly isn't a miracle cure for whatever ails you. But people should be free to consume what they wish, in my opinion, and the consequences of prohibition far outweigh any perceived benefit. Not to mention the fact that legalizing it at the federal level - or at least revising its status - would allow for actual research to be done regarding its safety. Drug abuse should be treated as a public health concern, not a criminal act. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:43:44 PM EDT
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Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. It should be treated just like alcohol. as is cocaine .... touche |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:44:29 PM EDT
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Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. It should be treated just like alcohol. Opium is a plant derivative too, same as cocaine and they're also drugs. Oddly, those arguing for mainstreaming marijuana are themselves pitching the idea that it is, in fact, a medicinal drug. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:45:39 PM EDT
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The poll didn't match the headline. I was expecting a poll on whether I thought marijuana should be legal. (I don't, because I think it puts the stamp of approval on a vice.)
You shouildn't carry if you are high, any more than you should carry when you are drunk. I personally don't think you should get high or drunk, but then I realize that my puritanical views aren't enforceable. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:50:52 PM EDT
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I don't disagree with you on let the people decide. However, I think marijuana should remain illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By your logic we should make alcohol illegal, since well it alters your mental state in many of the same ways. How about this, let people make there own decisions on pot, and keep the .gov out of it. I don't disagree with you on let the people decide. However, I think marijuana should remain illegal. That doesn't make sense. You don't disagree that people should decide whether or not they should use marijuana, but you think it should be illegal? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:51:25 PM EDT
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Mar]ijuana isn't only a plant; it's a basic human right.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:56:06 PM EDT
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Like abortion and gay marriage, I don't care ether way.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:56:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:58:19 PM EDT
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These drug doper threads really don't look for the gun community
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:00:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:00:57 PM EDT
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Treat it like alcohol. Don't drive, go to work or carry while under the influence, but simply being a user of that particular drug shouldn't be a factor in gun ownership or CHL permits. Any more than alcohol. . 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:01:00 PM EDT
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Heroin comes from plants too. As well as opium and cocaine. However, I'm only advocating for the devil. I don't believe the wacky tobacky is anywhere near as harmful as it IS a plant, just like corn, tomatoes and green beans. The difference is alcohol, opiates, cocaine require processing, man-made processes to extract the "good stuff." Weed is just a weed, it grows and is dried to a flammable stage and boom, there you go. It's more of a monetary thing and social thing as it was banned because ainslinger convinced the general populous that it made people go crazy and made white women fornicate with black men. Legalize it and focus law enforcement efforts where they are needed. Who cares if you want to burn it down IN PRIVATE. You can't drink and drive, it's illegal, but how many die each year from alcohol related accidents? How many die each year from cirrhosis or heart failure? Or lung cancer? The difference is the government sells alcohol and profits quite generously from tobacco sales. Plus, you can't grow a Marlboro in your back yard, so Big Tobacco has the market cornered. The gov is in bed with Phillip Morris and Budweiser. Legalize dope and any bubba will grow it in his yard or basement and keep it for personal use and Uncle Sam makes no $$$$. As puff daddy said: it's all about the Benjamin's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. It should be treated just like alcohol. It is a drug, just as alcohol is. And alcohol comes from plants, just like marijuana. Wheat, barley, sugar from beets or cane, yeast. Marijuana should be legal because currently your federal government only prosecutes American citizens for smuggling small quantities. Mexican illegal aliens smugglers who have less than 500 pounds in their possession are released with no prosecution to return to Mexico within about 24 hours or so. Heroin comes from plants too. As well as opium and cocaine. However, I'm only advocating for the devil. I don't believe the wacky tobacky is anywhere near as harmful as it IS a plant, just like corn, tomatoes and green beans. The difference is alcohol, opiates, cocaine require processing, man-made processes to extract the "good stuff." Weed is just a weed, it grows and is dried to a flammable stage and boom, there you go. It's more of a monetary thing and social thing as it was banned because ainslinger convinced the general populous that it made people go crazy and made white women fornicate with black men. Legalize it and focus law enforcement efforts where they are needed. Who cares if you want to burn it down IN PRIVATE. You can't drink and drive, it's illegal, but how many die each year from alcohol related accidents? How many die each year from cirrhosis or heart failure? Or lung cancer? The difference is the government sells alcohol and profits quite generously from tobacco sales. Plus, you can't grow a Marlboro in your back yard, so Big Tobacco has the market cornered. The gov is in bed with Phillip Morris and Budweiser. Legalize dope and any bubba will grow it in his yard or basement and keep it for personal use and Uncle Sam makes no $$$$. As puff daddy said: it's all about the Benjamin's. I like how pot heads quote rappers as if they had some great contribution to the world. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:03:39 PM EDT
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Yep, and this is the reason doper threads should be locked on a pro 2A forum. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:06:20 PM EDT
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Yep, and this is the reason doper threads should be locked on a pro 2A forum.
You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:11:15 PM EDT
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...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
regardless of drug laws There are other laws or ways to deal with the public threat of high/drunk people and the danger the represent operating machinery, vehicles or tools.. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:12:14 PM EDT
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No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, and this is the reason doper threads should be locked on a pro 2A forum.
You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. Can't have people discussing matter of legality out in the open. Gotta keep that kind of nonsense in the basement where it belongs - in hushed whispers - so hopefully the soldiers above don't hear. Don't you have a book burning to getting ready for? 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:13:01 PM EDT
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Not to muddy the waters or anything, but I'm curious enough to risk derailing someone else's thread.
Where does the government's authority to ban any drug come from? Is that a commerce clause catch all, or what? Second question, why would a government want to ban drugs? I mean obviously you wouldn't want a society of people too whacked out to be useful labor. However , from a freedom point of view there's no reason to ban them. From an evil overlords point of view it would represent another level of behavioral control and population control. Honestly curious. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep, and this is the reason doper threads should be locked on a pro 2A forum. You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:14:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. Can't have people discussing matter of legality out in the open. Gotta keep that kind of nonsense in the basement where it belongs - in hushed whispers - so hopefully the soldiers above don't hear. Don't you have a book burning to getting ready for? http://pressvision.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil-photo.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. Can't have people discussing matter of legality out in the open. Gotta keep that kind of nonsense in the basement where it belongs - in hushed whispers - so hopefully the soldiers above don't hear. Don't you have a book burning to getting ready for? http://pressvision.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil-photo.jpg So 14'r I guess you think it would be OK for people to get on here and talk about how the think that other illegal activities should be legal also? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:16:20 PM EDT
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Not to muddy the waters or anything, but I'm curious enough to risk derailing someone else's thread. Where does the government's authority to ban any drug come from? Is that a commerce clause catch all, or what? Second question, why would a government want to ban drugs? I mean obviously you wouldn't want a society of people too whacked out to be useful labor. However , from a freedom point of view there's no reason to ban them. From an evil overlords point of view it would represent another level of behavioral control and population control. Honestly curious. It used to take an amendment but the.gov quit playing by the rules a long time ago.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:16:51 PM EDT
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This is not a discussion of illegal activities (where to get illegal substances or use them etc.), this is a discussion of the law and the legal system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:18:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So 14'r I guess you think it would be OK for people to get on here and talk about how the think that other illegal activities should be legal also? I think people should be able to manufacture machine guns with no government regulation. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:20:34 PM EDT
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I voted yes to legalization in my state. Glad it passed. Fuck those who want freedoms yet deny others of theirs. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:23:16 PM EDT
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So 14'r I guess you think it would be OK for people to get on here and talk about how the think that other illegal activities should be legal also? Are you for real, or are you pulling my chain? 
Are you honestly suggesting that we should not even talk about things that are currently illegal? Not even discuss the matter? You know what - you're right. We shouldn't talk about repealing anti-2A legislation. We shouldn't talk about the NFA. We shouldn't talk about those scary 30-round 'clips' in states that don't allow them. Hell - I think I'm a convert. Thanks for enlightening me with your special brand of thinking. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:24:12 PM EDT
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4473 spells it out clearly, these threads only make gun owners look like criminals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? No different than talking about other idiotic illegal activities, should be locked. 4473 spells it out clearly, these threads only make gun owners look like criminals. The 4473 itself is bullshit and shouldnt even be a thing. Your argument is invalid. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:24:21 PM EDT
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"I couldnt care less" Finally, someone got that right. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:24:52 PM EDT
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So 14'r I guess you think it would be OK for people to get on here and talk about how the think that other illegal activities should be legal also? I think people should be able to manufacture machine guns with no government regulation. So do you think it would be appropriate if someone made a thread about how murder, assault, theft, etc should be legal here? No difference, they are criminal acts just like using drugs and owning guns. Bad publicity for the gun community. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:25:49 PM EDT
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Yep, and this is the reason doper threads should be locked on a pro 2A forum.
You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? Let's say you smoke a joint on the first of the month. Let's say on the seventeenth day of that month, you defend yourself with your side arm, legit as all get out. If your blood is drawn on day 17, that THC will still show up. Let that sink in a bit. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:25:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:27:12 PM EDT
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Let's say you smoke a joint on the first of the month. Let's say on the seventeenth day of that month, you defend yourself with your side arm, legit as all get out. If your blood is drawn on day 17, that THC will still show up. Let that sink in a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are aware that discussing the matter doesn't automatically saturate your bloodstream with THC, correct? Let's say you smoke a joint on the first of the month. Let's say on the seventeenth day of that month, you defend yourself with your side arm, legit as all get out. If your blood is drawn on day 17, that THC will still show up. Let that sink in a bit. Logic in GD, get the hell out of here with that. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:28:23 PM EDT
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Personal responsibility, bitches!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:28:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do you think it would be appropriate if someone made a thread about how murder, assault, theft, etc should be legal here? No difference, they are criminal acts just like using drugs and owning guns. Bad publicity for the gun community. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So 14'r I guess you think it would be OK for people to get on here and talk about how the think that other illegal activities should be legal also? I think people should be able to manufacture machine guns with no government regulation. So do you think it would be appropriate if someone made a thread about how murder, assault, theft, etc should be legal here? No difference, they are criminal acts just like using drugs and owning guns. Bad publicity for the gun community. You're adorable. I think it's good publicity. The sooner the nominally pro-gun side sheds this image of social conservatism hanging around its neck, the sooner the pro-gun youth of today might actually start voting for people who will repeal some gun laws. |
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