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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:14:55 PM EDT
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Btw Colorado and Oregon aren't even close...what did they do to piss you off?
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:46:07 PM EDT
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Vacation policy: Continental US, I drive No: NY, DC, or valet parking (if they have valet parking, it is too expensive for me) Dogs go with us on trips; I boarded them once and will not do it again. My policy has been in effect and followed for 26+ years. lol |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:46:35 PM EDT
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The world is scawwwy.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:50:00 PM EDT
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The world is scawwwy. Hic sunt dracones. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:52:11 PM EDT
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The world is scawwwy. Hic sunt dracones. Not gonna lie, I had to google that one. 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:52:59 PM EDT
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Not gonna lie, I had to google that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world is scawwwy. Hic sunt dracones. Not gonna lie, I had to google that one. Sigh. Didn't you learn anything in school? 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:54:24 PM EDT
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The world is scawwwy. Hic sunt dracones. Not gonna lie, I had to google that one. Sigh. Didn't you learn anything in school? Espanol es mas importante que Latin. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:00:51 PM EDT
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Espanol es mas importante que Latin. Get both. Understanding a minimum of Latin is beneficial for learning any Romance language. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:14:37 PM EDT
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My dislike of flying will keep me from seeing places more than not being able to carry...
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:04:10 PM EDT
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Michigan wasn't a shall-issue state until 2001. What did you do before then? In 2001 I was only 17. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:07:08 PM EDT
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I wouldn't go somewhere where I wouldn't be able to defend myself. But a gun isn't the only way to defend yourself. An unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an armed person with no common sense, no confidence, and no situational awareness. IMO you're placing too much importance on the tool rather than the person. An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:18:01 PM EDT
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:21:40 PM EDT
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:22:55 PM EDT
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This is one of the reasons I don't fly unless I absolutely have to. With my Utah permit I can carry in most states while driving.
Except in Nevada....  |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:23:28 PM EDT
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Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. Yes and no. With the right training a knife, flashlight, hell even a Sharpie can be effective. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 9:47:20 PM EDT
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Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 10:31:31 PM EDT
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Get both. Understanding a minimum of Latin is beneficial for learning any Romance language. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Espanol es mas importante que Latin. Get both. Understanding a minimum of Latin is beneficial for learning any Romance language. I tried to convince my daughter to take a year of Latin in high school, and used that argument. She took two years of French and a half year of Chinese in high school. Now she wants to take Japanese, but I don't know if it's offered at her college. I took two years of Spanish in high school (Spanish and French were the only options, then). |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 8:51:09 PM EDT
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/young-kiwi/84078-Bernard-Baruch-quote-if-all-yo-oKNT_zps3e39ba4e.png I would rather take the WHOLE toolbox, not leave the hammer at home. I have a very fancy screw driver, but it's next to useless against nails. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 8:57:20 PM EDT
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I doubt I'm doing any traveling outside this country anymore...just not safe enough in my opinion.
When I travel around the US (and I'll be doing a lot of that in the years to come), I'll be armed. Laws or no laws. Until the day comes that the gov't is willing to supply me with a bodyguard, free of charge, I'll take it upon myself to provide my own protection. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:52:54 AM EDT
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I would rather take the WHOLE toolbox, not leave the hammer at home. I have a very fancy screw driver, but it's next to useless against nails. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An armed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness is safer than an unarmed person with common sense, confidence, and situational awareness. There's other defensive tools you know. Sure, but are they anywhere near as effective as a gun? I will take a gun over a melee weapon, or glorified hot sauce any day. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/young-kiwi/84078-Bernard-Baruch-quote-if-all-yo-oKNT_zps3e39ba4e.png I would rather take the WHOLE toolbox, not leave the hammer at home. I have a very fancy screw driver, but it's next to useless against nails. That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 1:33:37 AM EDT
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Good for you OP!
That'll show the world! |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:29:18 AM EDT
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If that is your opinion, please just stay in your tar paper shack in the backwoods and keep putting up tinfoil.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:53:41 AM EDT
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OP, which one of is in this picture?  The tard about to make love to his Mosin Nagant, the bearded AK, super tard thumb, or the bearded depressed tard?
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:54:46 AM EDT
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..just not safe enough in my opinion. What is? People shove their fat faces full of disgusting shit that will give them diabetes and/or a heart attack (which is much more likely to kill you) but traveling without a gun is too dangerous... Some people really suck at risk assessments. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 8:21:31 AM EDT
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OP, which one of is in this picture? [div style='font-size: 16px;']http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_opencarrytexas_le_140625_16x9_992.jpg The tard about to make love to his Mosin Nagant, the bearded AK, super tard thumb, or the bearded depressed tard? Look at that Private Pyle looking goober. All snuggled up to his rifle like a safety blanket. He just needs to be sucking his thumb! I spy a neck beard in there too!! I also spy a few guys who need to buy proper fitting shorts. Nice Capri pants boys! |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 8:27:48 AM EDT
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Although I carry almost every waking moment, I don't worry too much when I can't.
Mom said I was smart, and strong. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:21:00 AM EDT
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:31:32 AM EDT
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Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? Cower in fear of the nail? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:38:02 AM EDT
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Michigan wasn't a shall-issue state until 2001. What did you do before then? In 2001 I was only 17. What did your parents do? Did you feel unsafe? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:38:14 AM EDT
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OP, which one of is in this picture? [div style='font-size: 16px;']http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_opencarrytexas_le_140625_16x9_992.jpg The tard about to make love to his Mosin Nagant, the bearded AK, super tard thumb, or the bearded depressed tard? None, I'm in this picture: 
I have an AR15A2 slung across my back (not really visible), a Glock 22 (also open carried), spare magazines, a video camera, and a binder full of every gun law in the state of Michigan. I organized that event, we had people come from as far away as Florida attend. It was in Birmingham Michigan in protest of an illegal open carry arrest, and political prosecution of an 18 year old. (He was later acquitted of all charges by the way). Long story short, the police, and the city did not like it, and arrested him anyway even though he broke no law, then tried to prosecute him on false charges to get him to plea so he couldn't sue. In other words they did not believe the rule of law applied to them, and they could do whatever they wanted. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:52:43 AM EDT
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Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:01:17 PM EDT
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You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? I think so, I saw quite a bit on those trips, and that was all before I turned 18. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:11:06 PM EDT
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I think so, I saw quite a bit on those trips, and that was all before I turned 18. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? I think so, I saw quite a bit on those trips, and that was all before I turned 18. You've never even left the country! 28 states is not traveling extensively. You literally know so little about it that you can't even comprehend what you are missing...the rest of the world is SO different. To think you've traveled extensively and haven't even left the States is ridiculously arrogant. It last count I've been to ~40+ states and something like 14 countries or so (some just briefly). I've seen just enough to know that I haven't seen nearly enough, and that there's a LOT more to see. 28 states is laughable. My 7 year old has literally traveled more than you. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 12:14:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None, I'm in this picture: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TZ01UKX9kos/T9jEU1uL6sI/AAAAAAAABDc/5AvTgf-wDwA/s1600/courtesy-msnbc.msn_.com_.jpg I have an AR15A2 slung across my back (not really visible), a Glock 22 (also open carried), spare magazines, a video camera, and a binder full of every gun law in the state of Michigan. I organized that event, we had people come from as far away as Florida attend. It was in Birmingham Michigan in protest of an illegal open carry arrest, and political prosecution of an 18 year old. (He was later acquitted of all charges by the way). Long story short, the police, and the city did not like it, and arrested him anyway even though he broke no law, then tried to prosecute him on false charges to get him to plea so he couldn't sue. In other words they did not believe the rule of law applied to them, and they could do whatever they wanted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, which one of is in this picture? [div style='font-size: 16px;']http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_opencarrytexas_le_140625_16x9_992.jpg The tard about to make love to his Mosin Nagant, the bearded AK, super tard thumb, or the bearded depressed tard? None, I'm in this picture: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TZ01UKX9kos/T9jEU1uL6sI/AAAAAAAABDc/5AvTgf-wDwA/s1600/courtesy-msnbc.msn_.com_.jpg I have an AR15A2 slung across my back (not really visible), a Glock 22 (also open carried), spare magazines, a video camera, and a binder full of every gun law in the state of Michigan. I organized that event, we had people come from as far away as Florida attend. It was in Birmingham Michigan in protest of an illegal open carry arrest, and political prosecution of an 18 year old. (He was later acquitted of all charges by the way). Long story short, the police, and the city did not like it, and arrested him anyway even though he broke no law, then tried to prosecute him on false charges to get him to plea so he couldn't sue. In other words they did not believe the rule of law applied to them, and they could do whatever they wanted. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 3:44:25 PM EDT
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You've never even left the country! 28 states is not traveling extensively. You literally know so little about it that you can't even comprehend what you are missing...the rest of the world is SO different. To think you've traveled extensively and haven't even left the States is ridiculously arrogant. It last count I've been to ~40+ states and something like 14 countries or so (some just briefly). I've seen just enough to know that I haven't seen nearly enough, and that there's a LOT more to see. 28 states is laughable. My 7 year old has literally traveled more than you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? I think so, I saw quite a bit on those trips, and that was all before I turned 18. You've never even left the country! 28 states is not traveling extensively. You literally know so little about it that you can't even comprehend what you are missing...the rest of the world is SO different. To think you've traveled extensively and haven't even left the States is ridiculously arrogant. It last count I've been to ~40+ states and something like 14 countries or so (some just briefly). I've seen just enough to know that I haven't seen nearly enough, and that there's a LOT more to see. 28 states is laughable. My 7 year old has literally traveled more than you. My dog Steve has literally traveled more...not only CONUS, but OCONUS as well. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 3:46:24 PM EDT
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OP, which one of is in this picture? [div style='font-size: 16px;']http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_opencarrytexas_le_140625_16x9_992.jpg The tard about to make love to his Mosin Nagant, the bearded AK, super tard thumb, or the bearded depressed tard? None, I'm in this picture: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TZ01UKX9kos/T9jEU1uL6sI/AAAAAAAABDc/5AvTgf-wDwA/s1600/courtesy-msnbc.msn_.com_.jpg I have an AR15A2 slung across my back (not really visible), a Glock 22 (also open carried), spare magazines, a video camera, and a binder full of every gun law in the state of Michigan. I organized that event, we had people come from as far away as Florida attend. It was in Birmingham Michigan in protest of an illegal open carry arrest, and political prosecution of an 18 year old. (He was later acquitted of all charges by the way). Long story short, the police, and the city did not like it, and arrested him anyway even though he broke no law, then tried to prosecute him on false charges to get him to plea so he couldn't sue. In other words they did not believe the rule of law applied to them, and they could do whatever they wanted. 
He looks exactly like I pictured. A wanna be hardass but too scared to go out and explore the world outside of his little cocoon. But he's full of excuses though 
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Posted: 7/28/2014 4:45:49 PM EDT
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That's what you don't seem to get. You don't have the whole toolbox. You have one tool. And you have fetishized it, and you now allow it to dictate your life. Yet, you've trumped it up as a ridiculous type of self-righteousness. Who says I don't have the rest of the toolbox? That's what you don't get. You think it's OK to take the screw driver, pliers, wrench, spanner, tape measure, and level, and leave the hammer behind, I do not. What if I encounter a nail? You never smashed a nail with a fuckin pipe wrench? Might be ugly, but it'll get the job done. You never responded earlier. Do you really think that seeing 28 states is traveling "extensively"? I think so, I saw quite a bit on those trips, and that was all before I turned 18. i have to do a little math, but i think i have been in more than 28 countries... traveled... 28 states. lol. my wife and i probably have 28 "let's go!" and "eyewitness" travel books for other countries. stop digging. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:28:09 AM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me.
You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:36:11 AM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? *crickets* |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:41:51 AM EDT
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I can't believe I survived a week at the beach and a Kentucky to Florida round trip drive, unarmed!
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:46:06 AM EDT
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I did enough traveling in the service. If I can't take/carry a pistol where I want to go, then that city/place doesn't need my hard earned dollars.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:48:15 AM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? *crickets* Given OP's posting history, I should probably just bookmark that post to quote the next time he spins up this exact same thread. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:16:06 PM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? *crickets* Given OP's posting history, I should probably just bookmark that post to quote the next time he spins up this exact same thread. I think that would be a wise choice. Like I said before, some people are really bad at risk assessments. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:30:49 PM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? That's the same kind of brainless hyperbole an anti would use to attack someone who wants to carry AT ALL, think about that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:34:11 PM EDT
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That's the same kind of brainless hyperbole an anti would use to attack someone who wants to carry AT ALL, think about that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? That's the same kind of brainless hyperbole an anti would use to attack someone who wants to carry AT ALL, think about that. It's neither brainless nor hyperbole. Being the victim of a violent crime is static tidally a far lower threat. No compromise at all for the less likely is ok, but no compromise for the far more likely scenario is just dismissed? Answer the question. Why is compromise ok for your safety sometimes but not others? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:34:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:34:33 PM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? That's the same kind of brainless hyperbole an anti would use to attack someone who wants to carry AT ALL, think about that. Come on. You can't even come up with a legitimate answer? You are risk adverse. You are significantly more likely to be injured in a car accident than in a situation in which a gun would help. What steps do you take to protect yourself in a car? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:36:15 PM EDT
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Ok, serious question for SAC if he's still around and hasn't <click>ed me. You say you refuse to compromise on safety. Ok, let's unpack that a bit. You are far, far more likely to be injured in a vehicle related incident than in one that having a gun would help prevent. Maybe orders of magnitude more, hard to know exactly. So, given how much more probable that occurrence is, we look at what one can do to "refuse to compromise" on vehicle safety. Drive a large heavy vehicle. Something on the order of a dump truck or semi (with no cargo obviously). Sure it gets 3 miles to the gallon and you can't park it most places, but we can't compromise! Next, we'll need to custom rig a roll cage, five point harness, and fire suppression system in it. And every time we drive, we'll wear a full nomex suit, neck brace, and helmet. Now, that's what no compromise looks like for a far more relevant and probable to happen threat. Do you do that, or do you compromise? How much? Regular car, but it has a roll cage and five point? You wear a nomex suit and helmet but no neck brace? If you knew someone who refused to ride in any car unless it had a roll cage and five points, would that be reasonable? If that same person refused to ride in any car without a full nomex suit and helmet, would that be reasonable? What do you think the perception would be of someone who took those steps? Why is it ok to compromise on the far more likely threat, but not on a much lower probability one? That's the same kind of brainless hyperbole an anti would use to attack someone who wants to carry AT ALL, think about that. BULLSHIT. It's not hyperbole at all, it's the natural progression of your stance. You are MUCH more likely to die in a car accident, yet you are more willing to compromise there than you are about carrying a gun. It's the same issue- personal safety, and what you are willing to compromise to achieve it. So far we've learned that you won't compromise AT ALL when it comes to carrying a gun, even to the detriment of living life and exploring the world. What about the much more likely scenario of a car wreck? Are you as uncompromising when it comes to vehicle safety? |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:38:22 PM EDT
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OP- I apologize if I seem "short" with you.
I guess after a few years in the Marines I honestly have a hard time respecting people that are so absolutely adverse to taking any risk. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:43:02 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just an ignorant civilian, but refusing to travel somewhere because you cannot carry a firearm seems to be strange and extremely limiting.
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