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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:11:37 PM EDT
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I've done quite a bit of digging online and from what I can tell it checks out. A few things I've noted about it are: 9 settings (first 4 for night vision can't even see), the nob does not turn to the "off" position from setting 9, the threads are fine and not large like cheep Chinese optics, the front lens is slightly angled, has "Aimpoint" stamped on side, appropriate "Comp M2" marking followed by the serial number with "Made in Sweden" underneath, and the battery has the black pad behind it. Only thing that still concerns me is the battery cap. Mine seems to have a rather long one. ETA: I asked him to bring the box for the Aimpoint and he said he no longer had it. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With the price paid and knowing he was not truthful about the trigger, possibly dishonest about the muzzle brake & upper, I'd suspect the Aimpoint was fake until proven otherwise. That would be the deciding factor on how far I would pursue this matter. I've done quite a bit of digging online and from what I can tell it checks out. A few things I've noted about it are: 9 settings (first 4 for night vision can't even see), the nob does not turn to the "off" position from setting 9, the threads are fine and not large like cheep Chinese optics, the front lens is slightly angled, has "Aimpoint" stamped on side, appropriate "Comp M2" marking followed by the serial number with "Made in Sweden" underneath, and the battery has the black pad behind it. Only thing that still concerns me is the battery cap. Mine seems to have a rather long one. ETA: I asked him to bring the box for the Aimpoint and he said he no longer had it. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg</a> I may be wrong, but that looks like a Comp M2 thats was military issued and is probably considered stolen .gov property. This is why I think so: - It's a Comp M2 - It has the extended battery cap - It's on a QRP mount - Its finish is worn and battered - It says "Made in Sweden" under the model - He doesn't have the box |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:20:29 PM EDT
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Isn't there a lot of stolen govt property M2's out there? I would rather have an M3 knowing tthe govt never used those.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:22:36 PM EDT
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I may be wrong, but that looks like a Comp M2 thats was military issued and is probably considered stolen .gov property. This is why I think so: - It's a Comp M2 - It has the extended battery cap - It's on a QRP mount - Its finish is worn and battered - It says "Made in Sweden" under the model - He doesn't have the box Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With the price paid and knowing he was not truthful about the trigger, possibly dishonest about the muzzle brake & upper, I'd suspect the Aimpoint was fake until proven otherwise. That would be the deciding factor on how far I would pursue this matter. I've done quite a bit of digging online and from what I can tell it checks out. A few things I've noted about it are: 9 settings (first 4 for night vision can't even see), the nob does not turn to the "off" position from setting 9, the threads are fine and not large like cheep Chinese optics, the front lens is slightly angled, has "Aimpoint" stamped on side, appropriate "Comp M2" marking followed by the serial number with "Made in Sweden" underneath, and the battery has the black pad behind it. Only thing that still concerns me is the battery cap. Mine seems to have a rather long one. ETA: I asked him to bring the box for the Aimpoint and he said he no longer had it. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg</a> I may be wrong, but that looks like a Comp M2 thats was military issued and is probably considered stolen .gov property. This is why I think so: - It's a Comp M2 - It has the extended battery cap - It's on a QRP mount - Its finish is worn and battered - It says "Made in Sweden" under the model - He doesn't have the box Uh oh. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:22:58 PM EDT
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Isn't there a lot of stolen govt property M2's out there? I would rather have an M3 knowing tthe govt never used those. Yep. They're all over ebay and Armslist. I bought one several years ago when I was younger and naive, and it was a piece of junk. It was beat to heck and looked almost identical to the one OP has (same mount, extended battery cap, etc). The dot would disappear any time I racked the charging handle, and I would have to take the batteries out and reinstall them in order to get the dot to reappear. It was a piece of junk. I paid somewhere around $150-200 for it, and even that was too much. For a cheaper Aimpoint, I would rather spend $375 on a PRO. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:03:51 PM EDT
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:07:25 PM EDT
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:25:35 PM EDT
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That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
Link to BCM that you should buy instead Dude, not really the same price/category. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:32:01 PM EDT
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I would just try to learn from the mistake and move on. It wouldn't hurt to contact him, but it may be hard to get any kind of positive outcome out of it since you both agreed to the deal and you gave him cash FTF. Welcome to the site.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks in advance for the advice! I would just try to learn from the mistake and move on. It wouldn't hurt to contact him, but it may be hard to get any kind of positive outcome out of it since you both agreed to the deal and you gave him cash FTF. Welcome to the site. +1 Also, not to bust your balls, but why not get a factory rifle from a trusted Arfcom vendor or local gun store with a good reputation to begin with? A good rifle to start with is a Colt 6920. Something like this or with black furniture: 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:33:35 PM EDT
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That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
How about linking to a PAYING INDUSTRY PARTNER here on arfcom instead of a someone who isn't welcome at all on this forum? 13ers... 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:34:28 PM EDT
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Dude, not really the same price/category. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
Link to BCM that you should buy instead Dude, not really the same price/category. It's only $100 more for a significantly higher quality rifle that will be a lot more practical than a cheap 7.5" toy. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:35:27 PM EDT
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How about linking to a PAYING INDUSTRY PARTNER here on arfcom instead of a someone who isn't welcome at all on this forum? 13ers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
How about linking to a PAYING INDUSTRY PARTNER here on arfcom instead of a someone who isn't welcome at all on this forum? 13ers... Sure. Care to post a link to an industry partner selling complete BCM rifles for $1100? I cant seem to find any, nor do I really keep up with the current groupthink on who we like/dislike.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:35:35 PM EDT
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Not as advertised.
Not a bad gun. You didn't get ripped off. I'd just let it go. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:03:08 PM EDT
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Sure. Care to post a link to an industry partner selling complete BCM rifles for $1100? I cant seem to find any, nor do I really keep up with the current groupthink on who we like/dislike. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
How about linking to a PAYING INDUSTRY PARTNER here on arfcom instead of a someone who isn't welcome at all on this forum? 13ers... Sure. Care to post a link to an industry partner selling complete BCM rifles for $1100? I cant seem to find any, nor do I really keep up with the current groupthink on who we like/dislike. This could get fun. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:28:15 PM EDT
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I may be wrong, but that looks like a Comp M2 thats was military issued and is probably considered stolen .gov property. This is why I think so: - It's a Comp M2 - It has the extended battery cap - It's on a QRP mount - Its finish is worn and battered - It says "Made in Sweden" under the model - He doesn't have the box +1 looks like the m68s we had at my unit extended battery cap and well worn. It didn't get that way by a couple of mags worth of ammo . Probably why he covered it in the rubber Armour kinda like bed lining the bed of a truck that's rusted to shit before selling it, except instead of just being scuffed up it might be stolen too.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:08:46 PM EDT
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It's only $100 more for a significantly higher quality rifle that will be a lot more practical than a cheap 7.5" toy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
Link to BCM that you should buy instead Dude, not really the same price/category. It's only $100 more for a significantly higher quality rifle that will be a lot more practical than a cheap 7.5" toy. But he got an optic, upgraded trigger, muzzle devise, "upgraded" buttstock, and a pmag… |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:44:49 PM EDT
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Was the lower registered as a pistol lower?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:01:44 PM EDT
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Was the lower registered as a pistol lower? This is EXACTLY what I'd want to know. OP could be in possession of an illegal SBR. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:14:37 PM EDT
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This is EXACTLY what I'd want to know. OP could be in possession of an illegal SBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was the lower registered as a pistol lower? This is EXACTLY what I'd want to know. OP could be in possession of an illegal SBR. Since it's a 'boutique' lower, it's pretty much guaranteed that it transferred as a Firearm. Not pistol or rifle. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:17:39 PM EDT
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Join date? Check.
Post count? Check. Armslist shenanigans? Multi-check. Stolen Aimpoint? Check. All we need at this point is for OP and the lying thief seller to meet in a Walmart and we'll be set. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:08:28 AM EDT
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OP, please come back and let us know how this all shakes out.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:29:15 AM EDT
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele.
Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:45:28 AM EDT
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:49:57 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Now that's a dealer and a supporter. +1 for ALG/Geissele. I love my triggers. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:52:52 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Wow that's pretty awesome! |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:57:53 AM EDT
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Like it's been said, your first AR is a used pistol from Armslist. You hosed yourself right there. When I read Geissele Comp trigger, I don't think of a $45 ALG trigger... M2/M3, ehh, some people are idiots. Could the flaming pig be those new aluminum $40 knock offs? take it off and weigh it. The Pig is steel. Good luck ETA: afg on a 7.5" lulz This is pretty much how I read it. OP you looked it over and he can pretty much cay that. Breathe and move on. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:09:39 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. You sir have earned me as a new customer. That's is VERY standup. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. This comment alone is why I am headed over to your site to drop some coin. You are the man. Coming to MDM this year? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:29:24 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Well, damn. Now I'm going to have to buy a Geissele. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:41:59 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:30:22 AM EDT
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Don't see that every day. I'll keep that in mind next build while buying parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Fuck, now I really need a Geissele |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:42:55 AM EDT
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probably just an ALG trigger which i wouldnt advertise as geiselle, big money difference there Yeah, looks like my ALG. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:54:00 AM EDT
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Since it's a 'boutique' lower, it's pretty much guaranteed that it transferred as a Firearm. Not pistol or rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was the lower registered as a pistol lower? This is EXACTLY what I'd want to know. OP could be in possession of an illegal SBR. Since it's a 'boutique' lower, it's pretty much guaranteed that it transferred as a Firearm. Not pistol or rifle. I agree, The whole gun appears to have been home built, likely from a virgin receiver. Let's not give OP a heart attack people. Still, always nice to be able to prove it is a legit build. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:57:17 AM EDT
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That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
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......At this point, I'm now insisting for my money back. That's what I would do. And then use that $1000 to buy a nice BCM and call it a day.
Link to BCM that you should buy instead Good joke. Just like Colt, that is an overpriced $800 rifle. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:57:45 AM EDT
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Now that's a dealer and a supporter. +1 for ALG/Geissele. I love my triggers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Now that's a dealer and a supporter. +1 for ALG/Geissele. I love my triggers. I'm really happy with the Missus' stuff, I have an ALG trigger and an ALG rail on my personal AR and both are fantastic products, ESPECIALLY for the price. Nice designing, Sagmill! |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:01:57 AM EDT
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FWIW- OP, I thought it was a good question.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:02:22 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Bravo! And that's why I have both an ACT trigger and a Geissele. I need to get another Geissele for my 18" rifle. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:12:44 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. What a stand up guy. I have been gradually upgrading my rifles (2 so far, 2 more awaiting install) to SSA triggers and it does my heart good to know my money is going to people with real integrity. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:17:31 AM EDT
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Probably not much recourse since it was a FTF deal, he will say you had plenty of chance to look it over before money was exchanged, wouldn't hurt to try and get back in touch and get his opinion....but I wouldn't expect much.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:32:27 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope.
That made me feel better about my 3 Geissele triggers, if it was possible.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:43:56 AM EDT
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And that is what is called corporate goodwill, gentlemen.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:44:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It might be the QMS trigger from ALG Defense. It's hard to tell from the pictures if it's silver or,black, but the hammer looks exactly like the ALG triggers I have. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is an ALG trigger. I have two with the same markings. If you already talked him down $300 and paid $1000 for the set up pictured, then if day you got a decent deal. The markings on it are, from what I have read, the markings for LW Schneider, a small parts manufacturer. Quite a few manufacturers use their parts, including hammers. It might be the QMS trigger from ALG Defense. It's hard to tell from the pictures if it's silver or,black, but the hammer looks exactly like the ALG triggers I have. That’s because like many other quality manufacturers, ALG Defense uses LW Schneider triggers, hammers and disconnectors. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:55:16 AM EDT
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That is an ALG trigger. I have two with the same markings. If you already talked him down $300 and paid $1000 for the set up pictured, then if day you got a decent deal. The markings on it are, from what I have read, the markings for LW Schneider, a small parts manufacturer. Quite a few manufacturers use their parts, including hammers. It might be the QMS trigger from ALG Defense. It's hard to tell from the pictures if it's silver or,black, but the hammer looks exactly like the ALG triggers I have. We purchase no parts from LW Schneider |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:38:56 AM EDT
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That is an ALG trigger. I have two with the same markings. If you already talked him down $300 and paid $1000 for the set up pictured, then if day you got a decent deal. The markings on it are, from what I have read, the markings for LW Schneider, a small parts manufacturer. Quite a few manufacturers use their parts, including hammers. It might be the QMS trigger from ALG Defense. It's hard to tell from the pictures if it's silver or,black, but the hammer looks exactly like the ALG triggers I have. That didn't work out so well for you now did it? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:50:49 AM EDT
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Fuck, now I really need a Geissele Yes you do, but beware you can't buy just one Geissele trigger. A few weeks ago, I bought my first trigger, an SSA-E and installed it in a 6.5 Grendel. I liked it so well that a few days later I bought another SSA-E and put in in a 20" 223 Wylde. Now I'm trying to find a DMR in stock 
Bill, since you design the ALG series handguards, how about an M-LOK with a full length top rail
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:09:19 AM EDT
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Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....ALG Defense is not Geissele. Not even close $$$ wise. I'd be pissed about that alone. Sorta kinda. Mrs. ALG is my wife and I design and make her stuff. OP, call the shop and ask for James. He will dig through our blem box and send you a Geissele trigger of your choice at no charge. This will help you out a bit I hope. Wow! I definitely wasn't expecting anything like this. Geissele is truly a standup company; thank you so much! You have earned a customer for life. Quoted:
Was the lower registered as a pistol lower? The lower was bought specifically for this pistol, built as a pistol lower, and has never been on any other gun. It has always been in his possession and had the box for it. Quoted:
OP, please come back and let us know how this all shakes out. The sketchiness continues. I called him yesterday. He actually answered and I told him I had a few questions for him. He said he was at work and couldn't talk, but I could text him and he would try and reply. So I texted him with the concerns I pointed out in this thread and asked if the parts he described in his ad were swapped out at some point. He replied 6 hours later saying "still working I'm going to call the gunsmith who put it together when I get off." -- Now I don't know what to think. He had always said how he buys good parts for his guns, has told me about his other rifles, his custom Glock that he put together (and was posted for sale yesterday), and his gunsmithing work which specifically includes ARs. Still have not heard back from him at this point. I sent him another message today asking what his gunsmith had said and that I'd appreciate it if he gave me a call. Now I guess I just have to sit and wait |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:12:47 AM EDT
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Cut your losses. Take Geissele up on the free trigger, and save up for a new factory rifle. You're gonna buy another AR soon anyway.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:18:37 AM EDT
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OP, as I'm sure you're sensing, I get the feeling that this guy is giving you "the runaround." Just delaying the conversation until you decide to throw the whole thing into the Fuckit Bucket and leave him alone. Now, it may be that he's sincerely trying to sort things out with his gunsmith or whatever, but I doubt it. I think he knows exactly what he sold you.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:30:33 AM EDT
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Sounds like he took liberties with the trigger description and it might be a fake (or just unmarked) Pig. Could have been an honest mistake on the Aimpoint- just didn't know which model that he had. You didn't get screwed over too badly. Especially with the free trigger offer. Buyer beware. Live and learn.
Don't feel too bad about it. My first AR (purchased off the the EE here) was a Noveske N4 with a fake DD Omega rail.  I payed a premium to get an upper with quality parts only to get screwed over. It happens to everybody at some point.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:37:38 AM EDT
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I've done quite a bit of digging online and from what I can tell it checks out. A few things I've noted about it are: 9 settings (first 4 for night vision can't even see), the nob does not turn to the "off" position from setting 9, the threads are fine and not large like cheep Chinese optics, the front lens is slightly angled, has "Aimpoint" stamped on side, appropriate "Comp M2" marking followed by the serial number with "Made in Sweden" underneath, and the battery has the black pad behind it. Only thing that still concerns me is the battery cap. Mine seems to have a rather long one. ETA: I asked him to bring the box for the Aimpoint and he said he no longer had it. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With the price paid and knowing he was not truthful about the trigger, possibly dishonest about the muzzle brake & upper, I'd suspect the Aimpoint was fake until proven otherwise. That would be the deciding factor on how far I would pursue this matter. I've done quite a bit of digging online and from what I can tell it checks out. A few things I've noted about it are: 9 settings (first 4 for night vision can't even see), the nob does not turn to the "off" position from setting 9, the threads are fine and not large like cheep Chinese optics, the front lens is slightly angled, has "Aimpoint" stamped on side, appropriate "Comp M2" marking followed by the serial number with "Made in Sweden" underneath, and the battery has the black pad behind it. Only thing that still concerns me is the battery cap. Mine seems to have a rather long one. ETA: I asked him to bring the box for the Aimpoint and he said he no longer had it. <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/688DB806-A0E5-4DEB-B63B-F70B1577D0DA_zpsmxbjhdzz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/EE126020-F636-46CC-8AFE-CC5A3A5C0FD1_zpszudwloyz.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/FNPforME/media/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh569/FNPforME/E25246A4-C7FF-4BE9-A4AD-C94FD194348D_zpsrw0ps6ju.jpg</a> I would delete these pics before uncle Sam runs that serial number |
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