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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:21:27 AM EDT
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I know collective bargaining agreements make it difficult but IMHO conforming to a height/weight and appearance standard should be a condition of continued employment when you sign on. Unless you can demonstrate a really fucking good legitimate medical concern or reason for why you are a fat body. That should go for fire depts and any other uniformed government agency in the public eye. There's no fucking excuse for this shit. I will say I have NEVER seen a fat State Trooper in Washington, they must have some sort of appearance standard. Because all their guys around here are spit and polish. The surrounding agencies could learn a thing or two from them. If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:21:59 AM EDT
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Union "PSSST" Only about one in three police depts are unionized. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:46:21 AM EDT
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I have seen corrections officers even bigger than that. Yep. It's been my experience that the higher the rank, the larger the gut. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:02:25 AM EDT
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LOL I would hate to have that charge at me though. That's a lot of momentum. I'm not sure it's able to charge. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:39:01 AM EDT
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If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know collective bargaining agreements make it difficult but IMHO conforming to a height/weight and appearance standard should be a condition of continued employment when you sign on. Unless you can demonstrate a really fucking good legitimate medical concern or reason for why you are a fat body. That should go for fire depts and any other uniformed government agency in the public eye. There's no fucking excuse for this shit. I will say I have NEVER seen a fat State Trooper in Washington, they must have some sort of appearance standard. Because all their guys around here are spit and polish. The surrounding agencies could learn a thing or two from them. If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:06:43 AM EDT
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What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know collective bargaining agreements make it difficult but IMHO conforming to a height/weight and appearance standard should be a condition of continued employment when you sign on. Unless you can demonstrate a really fucking good legitimate medical concern or reason for why you are a fat body. That should go for fire depts and any other uniformed government agency in the public eye. There's no fucking excuse for this shit. I will say I have NEVER seen a fat State Trooper in Washington, they must have some sort of appearance standard. Because all their guys around here are spit and polish. The surrounding agencies could learn a thing or two from them. If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. You don't think physical fitness is an important trait for firefighters? You realize we train at work frequently correct? Medical procedures, driving trucks, ladder and pump operations, rescue skills, building construction, street drills, firefighting tactics, haz-mat etc. etc. etc. Maybe you could close the gap between us by explaining to me why working out to maintain your health and improve your strength and endurance is an unacceptable way to spend time between emergencies but spending 90 minutes walking through a new building to learn the layout, location of fire dept connections, alarm systems, sprinkler systems etc. is? I'd honestly like to hear an explanation. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:13:15 AM EDT
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I'd honestly like to hear an explanation. He is jealous. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:19:56 AM EDT
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What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know collective bargaining agreements make it difficult but IMHO conforming to a height/weight and appearance standard should be a condition of continued employment when you sign on. Unless you can demonstrate a really fucking good legitimate medical concern or reason for why you are a fat body. That should go for fire depts and any other uniformed government agency in the public eye. There's no fucking excuse for this shit. I will say I have NEVER seen a fat State Trooper in Washington, they must have some sort of appearance standard. Because all their guys around here are spit and polish. The surrounding agencies could learn a thing or two from them. If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. So what you are saying is that you would rather your firefighters when not out on a call to just sit around and do nothing during their 24 hour shift? Being in law enforcement, I have no great love for "the evidence eradication unit" but it seems to me that if they want to work out during down times is a win for everyone.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:54:53 AM EDT
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We didn't have to worry about that. Tons of backup seconds away. I see what you did there! I worked a very long day yesterday and missed that. Well played sir, well played. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:04:11 PM EDT
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LOL I would hate to have that charge at me though. That's a lot of momentum. I'm not sure it's able to charge. Fall and roll uncontrollably. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't think physical fitness is an important trait for firefighters? You realize we train at work frequently correct? Medical procedures, driving trucks, ladder and pump operations, rescue skills, building construction, street drills, firefighting tactics, haz-mat etc. etc. etc. Maybe you could close the gap between us by explaining to me why working out to maintain your health and improve your strength and endurance is an unacceptable way to spend time between emergencies but spending 90 minutes walking through a new building to learn the layout, location of fire dept connections, alarm systems, sprinkler systems etc. is? I'd honestly like to hear an explanation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know collective bargaining agreements make it difficult but IMHO conforming to a height/weight and appearance standard should be a condition of continued employment when you sign on. Unless you can demonstrate a really fucking good legitimate medical concern or reason for why you are a fat body. That should go for fire depts and any other uniformed government agency in the public eye. There's no fucking excuse for this shit. I will say I have NEVER seen a fat State Trooper in Washington, they must have some sort of appearance standard. Because all their guys around here are spit and polish. The surrounding agencies could learn a thing or two from them. If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. What you are saying (complaining about) is so foreign to me, we might as well be on different planets. The fact that you feel entitled to work-out on the job speaks volumes about this county's failure. You don't think physical fitness is an important trait for firefighters? You realize we train at work frequently correct? Medical procedures, driving trucks, ladder and pump operations, rescue skills, building construction, street drills, firefighting tactics, haz-mat etc. etc. etc. Maybe you could close the gap between us by explaining to me why working out to maintain your health and improve your strength and endurance is an unacceptable way to spend time between emergencies but spending 90 minutes walking through a new building to learn the layout, location of fire dept connections, alarm systems, sprinkler systems etc. is? I'd honestly like to hear an explanation. Don't tell him that you sleep on duty. It would blow his mind.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think unions are bad try dealing with city administrations. For years we were not PERMITTED to exercise on duty at the fire department, even though the Ohio code REQUIRES it. We finally made headway and got the local college to allow us to use their gym and have their sports medicine students assess us and provide personalized workout plans, FOR FREE. After a few months the right person complained about seeing "big trucks" at the college and the safety service director cancelled the program without replacement. The UNION has raised funds and gathered donations to convert a corner of the basement of the main station into a "gym", but the city administration refuses to examine the issue of fitness contractually. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:26:15 PM EDT
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Does that holster have a reverse cant?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:34:54 PM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:38:31 PM EDT
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So... you'd drive over to the gym to workout? Yes, but to put it into perspective since I know you're FDNY, the entire city is the first due area for the dept. 1 ladder, 1 engine 1 utility. All would respond to any fire so it wasn't like units were being drug out of their in service areas, the gym was actually very centrally located in the city and if you got a call while there you would just dash outside and put your turnouts on. It was the complaints of a select few people that thought the fire dept should remain unseen unless called to an emergency that ended up getting the program cancelled. It was really a shame because the exercise science students that did our assessments and helped as personal trainers loved it, they were so used to working with other college students they were thrilled to work with us. Firemen who were overweight and out of shape made huge gains in a few months and we had quarterly assessments with quantitative data to prove it, all at the expense of driving the rig a mile down the road. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:41:20 PM EDT
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MMMMMmmmmmm front butt.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:55:00 PM EDT
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All cops should be that fat, or fatter.
Think about it. Foot chases will become a thing of the past. Hard to run away from a cop if you're caught in their gravitational pull. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:59:26 PM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? They fit in the uniform. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:11:45 PM EDT
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We didn't have to worry about that. Tons of backup seconds away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believe me, cops that are fit, squared away, and good at their job hate them more than the public does! I didn't, they made me look good. Unless they are your district partners and you ever need their help... We didn't have to worry about that. Tons of backup seconds away. Is that what you call your fat officers? 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, but to put it into perspective since I know you're FDNY, the entire city is the first due area for the dept. 1 ladder, 1 engine 1 utility. All would respond to any fire so it wasn't like units were being drug out of their in service areas, the gym was actually very centrally located in the city and if you got a call while there you would just dash outside and put your turnouts on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So... you'd drive over to the gym to workout? Yes, but to put it into perspective since I know you're FDNY, the entire city is the first due area for the dept. 1 ladder, 1 engine 1 utility. All would respond to any fire so it wasn't like units were being drug out of their in service areas, the gym was actually very centrally located in the city and if you got a call while there you would just dash outside and put your turnouts on. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:47:44 PM EDT
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Several years past, the police chief of O'Fallon, Missouri was essentially drummed out of the job for imposing and enforcing fitness standards on the city cops. Poor things didn't like to prove they could run. Really?!?!  Basically my back yard. That sucks.
My BIL is a firefighter. They're about the same as cops when it comes to personal fitness. I would think a firefighter would need to be in even better shape than a cop considering they might need to enter a burning building, with gear, oxygen tanks, possible multiple floors, etc. carry someone out. Speaking of This same town, O'fallon ... A former cop I know there medically retired early with full pension and a disability rating for a "bad back ". He spends 3 weeks in Colorado bow hunting each September! 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:36:47 PM EDT
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Oh, I wasn't implying that you were going out of your response area to work out. I was just wondering, when you went to the gym... what did the guys that didn't want to work out do?
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So... you'd drive over to the gym to workout? Yes, but to put it into perspective since I know you're FDNY, the entire city is the first due area for the dept. 1 ladder, 1 engine 1 utility. All would respond to any fire so it wasn't like units were being drug out of their in service areas, the gym was actually very centrally located in the city and if you got a call while there you would just dash outside and put your turnouts on.
Honestly almost everyone was very enthusiastic about the entire thing. 4 out of 5 people spent the time doing serious weightlifting, cardio or crossfit type stuff. The few older or less enthusiastic guys would just walk the 200 meter indoor track for an hour, shoot some hoops or half ass it on a bike, still better than nothing. Only having two stations it was never a big deal to coordinate who went when and all that, we would tend to go as early as possible when there seemed to be less chance of a call and the college students that would normally be there were still in bed. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:39:08 PM EDT
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I'm not exactly a health weight but atleast I can tuck and fold everything to make me look presentable.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:36:36 PM EDT
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LOL I would hate to have that charge at me though. That's a lot of momentum. I'm not sure it's able to charge. It'd be like this: 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:56:14 PM EDT
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God I'm old. When I was a young you rarely saw people this obese. Now it is common. Seriously, if you were born in the last 25 years you would not believe how much thinner the public was on average 40+ years ago. I blame it on all you can eat buffets.and donut shops. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What gender is the one on the right? Looks female to me. Edit: should have kept reading and not posting. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen corrections officers even bigger than that. I went into a high security state prison and a bunch of the guards had to be 400#  We used to have a female bicycle officer who had to be 200 pounds overweight. edit the short one is a woman, did not guess that I think CO's are worse, to be honest. I don't see THAT many obese cops, but when I worked as a CO probably 1/3 were this size. I hated being a first responder on shift, because I knew it was likely that if a signal was called I would be the guy getting there first, only by virtue of weighing less than 200#. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:43:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:39:27 AM EDT
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We used to have a female bicycle officer who had to be 200 pounds overweight. edit the short one is a woman, did not guess that I think CO's are worse, to be honest. I don't see THAT many obese cops, but when I worked as a CO probably 1/3 were this size. I hated being a first responder on shift, because I knew it was likely that if a signal was called I would be the guy getting there first, only by virtue of weighing less than 200#. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have seen corrections officers even bigger than that. I went into a high security state prison and a bunch of the guards had to be 400#
edit the short one is a woman, did not guess that I think CO's are worse, to be honest. I don't see THAT many obese cops, but when I worked as a CO probably 1/3 were this size. I hated being a first responder on shift, because I knew it was likely that if a signal was called I would be the guy getting there first, only by virtue of weighing less than 200#. Not to mention the odds of being at the bottom of the pile when the lards finally arrive to help.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:00:00 AM EDT
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Surely even for desk jobs there is some kind of performance requirement! In many places, surely not. it would have to be one big desk |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:25:44 AM EDT
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You don't grok the difference between "fitness" and "appearance" do you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait. Is this the same ARFCOM that bashes the Marine Corps for having appearance standards? How dare you bash these LEOs! If they are capable of performing their duties in accordance with current standards, then who cares what bags of shit they look like? You don't grok the difference between "fitness" and "appearance" do you? Of course you are assuming that the LEOs in question are unable to perform their duties just from looking at and judging their appearance. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:43:42 AM EDT
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Of course you are assuming that the LEOs in question are unable to perform their duties just from looking at and judging their appearance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait. Is this the same ARFCOM that bashes the Marine Corps for having appearance standards? How dare you bash these LEOs! If they are capable of performing their duties in accordance with current standards, then who cares what bags of shit they look like? You don't grok the difference between "fitness" and "appearance" do you? Of course you are assuming that the LEOs in question are unable to perform their duties just from looking at and judging their appearance. When in uniform, you are expected to maintain a certain standard of appearance and professionalism---especially as an LEO that is typically in contact with the public.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:59:58 AM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:24:02 AM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:51:08 AM EDT
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Of course you are assuming that the LEOs in question are unable to perform their duties just from looking at and judging their appearance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait. Is this the same ARFCOM that bashes the Marine Corps for having appearance standards? How dare you bash these LEOs! If they are capable of performing their duties in accordance with current standards, then who cares what bags of shit they look like? You don't grok the difference between "fitness" and "appearance" do you? Of course you are assuming that the LEOs in question are unable to perform their duties just from looking at and judging their appearance. That doesn't really address my point, but I'll play. Do you think Officer Fatass can effectively do his duty? |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:51:44 AM EDT
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They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:52:45 AM EDT
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They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. GD wouldn't want them to have a pension anyway. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:58:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:12:39 PM EDT
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GD wouldn't want them to have a pension anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. GD wouldn't want them to have a pension anyway. Even better, they'll probably die before they reach retirement eligibility. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:15:10 PM EDT
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That is one hell of a gunt. I bet her gynecologist needs a hydraulic speculum. I got as far as the word gynecologist, and I got the dry heaves. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 1:27:51 AM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. Don't want the police going around making warrantless arrests for the original offense. A magnifying glass, detective, and a mighty "ah ha!" Are required to catch a burglar, not officer Semper fi. Word. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 1:42:52 AM EDT
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Clearly not representative of the TBL..
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:03:03 AM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? No. Regimented pt ahd fitness tests are too militaristic. They don't need to be fit anyway, they only take reports. Besides, I figured GD would rather have them look like that to save tax dollars. if they die young it's less pension money that gets paid out. GD wouldn't want them to have a pension anyway. Even better, they'll probably die before they reach retirement eligibility. That's why I like you: strategic thinking like a boss. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:25:05 AM EDT
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Believe me, cops that are fit, squared away, and good at their job hate them more than the public does! This. Plus, creases have never gone out of style. I'll bet that they don't polish their boots since they can't reach them. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 5:26:59 AM EDT
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'Murica!
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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:02:53 PM EDT
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This. Plus, creases have never gone out of style. I'll bet that they don't polish their boots since they can't reach them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believe me, cops that are fit, squared away, and good at their job hate them more than the public does! This. Plus, creases have never gone out of style. I'll bet that they don't polish their boots since they can't reach them. I will admit that my boots look horrible. I tell my supervisors that these are a pair "working mans" boots (the carpet they walk on doesnt seem to be as hard on footwear as pounding the pavement)! |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 9:03:02 PM EDT
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Has anyone found 530 Fatties on FB? I'm not seeing it. Looks like the page was nuked.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 1:02:22 PM EDT
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Aren't there any fitness standards those people have to pass? Our union would fight tooth and nail to allow people to continue to look like shit in a uniform. Tooth and nail. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 1:32:46 PM EDT
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When I was going through the boards for my local SO, I suggested they make the PT test harder and they responded that they used it as a first screening for promotions....don't want to get promoted? Eat till you explode - Ya, they hired me....my mouth tends to get me in trouble though.....
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Posted: 7/27/2014 1:37:13 PM EDT
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If you went to Costco to buy a roast chicken, do you pick the big one for $4.99 or the little one for $4.99?
 The big one of course. Why?  Because you get more for your money. 
Why doesn't Arfcom feel that way about their LEOs?
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