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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:29:53 PM EDT
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For anything other than handgun hunting I would say it's obsolete. Pocket carry as well. The smooth and rounded shape of a hammerless snubbie works better than any auto in this role. I only own one revolver (a 642-1) and this is the reason I own it. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2009/11/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03-30-1996.aspx Nobody (including me) said it should be your only/primary gun. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:32:57 PM EDT
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Heck no.
If you've ever watched someone who really knows how to use a revolver they are a loooong way from being poorly armed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:33:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:35:11 PM EDT
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Let's see...
Goes click-bang!..Projectile flies...makes hole in something. Nope, not obsolete. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:36:03 PM EDT
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Let's see... Goes click-bang!..Projectile flies...makes hole in something. Nope, not obsolete. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:38:37 PM EDT
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Let's see... Goes click-bang!..Projectile flies...makes hole in something. Nope, not obsolete. Go find the huge thread where RustedAce discusses why the halberd remains the best choice for home defense. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obsolete =/= no longer viable for use as intended. The revolver has been obsolete for a long time, but is still a perfectly good option for a defensive firearm. Revolvers are still useful, but the areas where they are the best choice have greatly reduced.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For anything other than handgun hunting I would say it's obsolete. Pocket carry as well. The smooth and rounded shape of a hammerless snubbie works better than any auto in this role. I only own one revolver (a 642-1) and this is the reason I own it. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2009/11/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03-30-1996.aspx The converse of that story is tha the suspect shot the cop 5 times (by my count) and the cop survived as well. So the cop shot the suspect 4 times, the suspect shot the cop 5 times and no one died. The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. Looking at any one incident is anecdotal. This guy didn't win his gun fight with a snub nosed revolver, but you can find stories of people who did, just as you can find stories of people with autos who lost and won gunfights.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:42:27 PM EDT
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The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. And yet still scored 4/5. CTC Lasergrips are a useful addition to these guns as well. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:44:00 PM EDT
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Manage to take second place in Production Division at the last two local USPSA matches shooting a revolver. Fun beating the bottom feeders with the round gun. I carry a J-frame; compete and hunt with an N-frame. Obsolete? Maybe, but far from useless.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:44:29 PM EDT
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Obsolete for what?
For EDC? Depends on your concealment needs. For a super easy to conceal gun you can always have with nearly any attire, a snub .38 with a good load is better than a .32 or .380 auto. Depending on the grip profile it might be easier to conceal than a subcompact 9/.40, or even a slim subcompact like the shield which I'm a fan of. Sure, everyone would like to carry a auto pistol with 8/13/15 +1 rounds of .45/.40/9mm. That said, a chief's special loaded with 6 rounds of +p you have with you is better than a Glock 23 you left back home because you couldn't conceal it under your outfit. Service pistol? Yes. If I'm at exceptional enough risk of a fight that I'm going to carry a service pistol it's going to be either a S&W M&P or Glock. Even with a "compact" Glock 23 you get >2x the rounds before your first reload. Hell even a 1911 which most consider obsolete itself gives you half again the rounds. Hunting? No way. There are numerous hunting applications where a revolver in .44 mag or larger will always be king. Auto pistols can be built in serious large game calibers but not as cost effectively as revolvers. ETA: I don't use revolvers for anything and my EDC is a shield .40. I plan on my next gun purchase being a M&P 40 full size to use as my night stand gun. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:46:40 PM EDT
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NO........
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:47:23 PM EDT
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Obsolete =/= no longer viable for use as intended. The revolver has been obsolete for a long time, but is still a perfectly good option for a defensive firearm. Yep, just look at the 1911 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:47:32 PM EDT
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I carried a 4" S&W 357 magnum with 158gr Hornady XTPs over a good charge of H110 this weekend backpacking. I put a speed strip in my pocket to accompany it. I don't think a revolver is obsolete at all for the vast majority of situations where a civilian may need a defensive firearm.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet still scored 4/5. CTC Lasergrips are a useful addition to these guns as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. And yet still scored 4/5. CTC Lasergrips are a useful addition to these guns as well. Yes, but none of his hits was in the sweet spot. Is that because he was shooting farther away or a scared guy shooting in a gun fight? Or a combination? Also, the bad guy with the Glock 17 didn't do any better, although he may have had enough ammo left over to execute the cop once the cop was out of the fight and threw his gun down (an ENORMOUS mistake). Would this gun fight have gone the cop' sway if he had more rounds to keep fighting? I don't know. Obviously having more shots is better, but to say that if this cop had a bigger pistol then the fight would have turned out differently is speculation.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:00:07 PM EDT
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Great post OP!
For police, soldier, security work I believe they are obsolete if that is your MAIN/PRIMARY arm. As a secondary, back up or hunting weapon they fill that slot as well as they ever. Better than auto's in the hunting department. At CHL classes I sometimes put on a demonstration with a revolver to emphasize how much training negates "superior" equipment. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:00:33 PM EDT
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Geez I hope not, my latest toy is a 642 that I got solely to carry love my Glocks, but that Airweight carrys a shit ton easier out here in the desert. It's supposed to hit 109 today, the Smith fades away in cargo shorts.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:01:31 PM EDT
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The converse of that story is tha the suspect shot the cop 5 times (by my count) and the cop survived as well. So the cop shot the suspect 4 times, the suspect shot the cop 5 times and no one died. The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. Looking at any one incident is anecdotal. This guy didn't win his gun fight with a snub nosed revolver, but you can find stories of people who did, just as you can find stories of people with autos who lost and won gunfights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For anything other than handgun hunting I would say it's obsolete. Pocket carry as well. The smooth and rounded shape of a hammerless snubbie works better than any auto in this role. I only own one revolver (a 642-1) and this is the reason I own it. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2009/11/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03-30-1996.aspx The converse of that story is tha the suspect shot the cop 5 times (by my count) and the cop survived as well. So the cop shot the suspect 4 times, the suspect shot the cop 5 times and no one died. The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. Looking at any one incident is anecdotal. This guy didn't win his gun fight with a snub nosed revolver, but you can find stories of people who did, just as you can find stories of people with autos who lost and won gunfights. I stopped carrying a J-frame over a year ago because of that situation. Replaced it with a Kahr CM9. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:03:26 PM EDT
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If a semi can shoot a full power 44 Mag load (which is the "weakest" of the big game revolver ammo), then yes.
The DE doesn't count because it's a finicky bitch that can't shoot lead. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:04:14 PM EDT
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Yes, they've been supplanted by better designs for most uses. Not all. Most.
I still love them to death. Just because something is obsolete, doesn't mean it isn't useful. It also doesn't mean they're worthless all of a sudden. Obsolete isn't a bad word. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:06:09 PM EDT
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Ounce for ounce the revolver is way more powerful than a pistol.
There's no comparison of the common .357 and .44 magnum ballistics against those of the 9 mm/.40/.45. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:06:25 PM EDT
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I stopped carrying a J-frame over a year ago because of that situation. Replaced it with a Kahr CM9. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[ The converse of that story is tha the suspect shot the cop 5 times (by my count) and the cop survived as well. So the cop shot the suspect 4 times, the suspect shot the cop 5 times and no one died. The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. Looking at any one incident is anecdotal. This guy didn't win his gun fight with a snub nosed revolver, but you can find stories of people who did, just as you can find stories of people with autos who lost and won gunfights. I stopped carrying a J-frame over a year ago because of that situation. Replaced it with a Kahr CM9. Oddly enough, I replaced a PM9 with a 642 because the PM9 had issues (barrel hood peening and repeated magazine follower breakage) and I didn't think 5 versus 7 rounds was enough to worry about and the 642 was a much smoother draw from a variety of pockets. I have an entire fleet of 9mm Glocks to choose from in the "other than pocket carry" category. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:06:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:10:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:11:51 PM EDT
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I personally don't believe it's the most efficient way to defend yourself if you're carrying one for self defense or keep one in your home for home defense. If you choose not to opt for a more efficient package/tool to defend yourself with, well by all means do so. I'll stick with my 17 + 1 9mm semi-auto that can also use a 21 round spare mag.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I stopped carrying a J-frame over a year ago because of that situation. Replaced it with a Kahr CM9. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For anything other than handgun hunting I would say it's obsolete. Pocket carry as well. The smooth and rounded shape of a hammerless snubbie works better than any auto in this role. I only own one revolver (a 642-1) and this is the reason I own it. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2009/11/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03-30-1996.aspx The converse of that story is tha the suspect shot the cop 5 times (by my count) and the cop survived as well. So the cop shot the suspect 4 times, the suspect shot the cop 5 times and no one died. The cop also had the misfortune of his position, which was to be in a gun fight at a distance of over 30 feet with a snub nosed revolver. Looking at any one incident is anecdotal. This guy didn't win his gun fight with a snub nosed revolver, but you can find stories of people who did, just as you can find stories of people with autos who lost and won gunfights. I stopped carrying a J-frame over a year ago because of that situation. Replaced it with a Kahr CM9. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:13:51 PM EDT
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?"
Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:14:52 PM EDT
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:15:00 PM EDT
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Revolvers are still great for people who don't want to put in the time to learn an automatic. They also make great pocket guns.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:17:47 PM EDT
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "is 17 rounds of ammo in a single mag for my carry pistol enough?" Everything has pros and cons. If you shoot avidly, the question you pose is a non issue because you'd already know whether your pistol is reliable or not. The fact that probably 99% of law enforcement officers use a semi-auto high capacity pistol should tell you your assertion that semi-autos fill a very narrow niche is one hell of a fantasy. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:18:27 PM EDT
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I love my wheel guns but they are not my choice for carry.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:19:53 PM EDT
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Full Definition of OBSOLETE
a : no longer in use or no longer useful <an obsolete word> On that count, no. b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned <an obsolete technology> On that count, only for combat ( and then only some types, by some users). Gratuitous N frame pics follow 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:20:38 PM EDT
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No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. Have you had this happen? If so, how many rounds did it take and what revolver? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:21:40 PM EDT
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Obsolete? No.
Ineffective against members of the FSA army in the middle of the ghetto? Yes. Like every firearm it has it's place.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:22:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryYes a shotgun is more effective against bears than a .500 S&W Magnum revolver; so for that matter is a large caliber rifle. If only this thread had been about the effectiveness of shotguns rather than a comparison between the utility of revolvers and semi automatic pistols.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:24:31 PM EDT
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Have you had this happen? If so, how many rounds did it take and what revolver? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. Have you had this happen? If so, how many rounds did it take and what revolver? 1975 Colt Python, about 15k. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:24:36 PM EDT
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Nay my friend. I'll part with any other handgun before a revolver.
They are much more fun. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Until someone makes an auto I can fire from my coat pocket, no, they are not obsolete.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "is 17 rounds of ammo in a single mag for my carry pistol enough?" Everything has pros and cons. If you shoot avidly, the question you pose is a non issue because you'd already know whether your pistol is reliable or not. The fact that probably 99% of law enforcement officers use a semi-auto high capacity pistol should tell you your assertion that semi-autos fill a very narrow niche is one hell of a fantasy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "is 17 rounds of ammo in a single mag for my carry pistol enough?" Everything has pros and cons. If you shoot avidly, the question you pose is a non issue because you'd already know whether your pistol is reliable or not. The fact that probably 99% of law enforcement officers use a semi-auto high capacity pistol should tell you your assertion that semi-autos fill a very narrow niche is one hell of a fantasy. Yes, but you never carry an auto with a single mag, regardless of how many rounds are in it due to the fact that if you have a failure you need another mag to get back into the fight after clearing your gun.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:27:05 PM EDT
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Is a 1911a1 obsolete because it doesn't carry more than 7+1? Not obsolete at all. Seriously, wheel guns just aren't "cool". Not on TV with the ninjas enough.
I have an SP101 tricked by Chuck Weigand's shop (old gun). If it's kissing distance, what happens when the auto gets shoved into a target's gut? I think it's called out-of-battery. Wheel gun goes bang. It isn't what's in my hand that you should fear.....It's what's in my head. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:28:36 PM EDT
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Ounce for ounce the revolver is way more powerful than a pistol. There's no comparison of the common .357 and .44 magnum ballistics against those of the 9 mm/.40/.45. It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:29:16 PM EDT
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It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ounce for ounce the revolver is way more powerful than a pistol. There's no comparison of the common .357 and .44 magnum ballistics against those of the 9 mm/.40/.45. It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. Heavy revolvers with 8" barrels have no recoil. At least not for me. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:31:49 PM EDT
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Six or five is still a lot better than 0 or 17 at home.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:32:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. I'm not quite sure you know much about quality revolvers.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:33:08 PM EDT
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Yes, but you never carry an auto with a single mag, regardless of how many rounds are in it due to the fact that if you have a failure you need another mag to get back into the fight after clearing your gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "is 17 rounds of ammo in a single mag for my carry pistol enough?" Everything has pros and cons. If you shoot avidly, the question you pose is a non issue because you'd already know whether your pistol is reliable or not. The fact that probably 99% of law enforcement officers use a semi-auto high capacity pistol should tell you your assertion that semi-autos fill a very narrow niche is one hell of a fantasy. Yes, but you never carry an auto with a single mag, regardless of how many rounds are in it due to the fact that if you have a failure you need another mag to get back into the fight after clearing your gun. My implication was that there was a massive advantage to having 17 + 1 rounds (or a similar number) on tap vs 5-6. I always carry a spare mag for a total of 37 rounds (19 round spare in my case). |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:34:11 PM EDT
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It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ounce for ounce the revolver is way more powerful than a pistol. There's no comparison of the common .357 and .44 magnum ballistics against those of the 9 mm/.40/.45. It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. My .454 and S&W 500 will peg your fun meter pretty quick but they are LOTS of fun!!! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:34:12 PM EDT
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You notice nobody ever seems to ask the question "how many 100's of rounds do I need to fire through my revolver until I can trust it?" Obviously not obsolete and in many ways superior to the pistol. From my perspective, the pistol has a very narrow niche to fill and the revolver is far more versatile. No, revolver owners are saying how many 100's of rounds I can fire through it until it goes out of time. I'm not quite sure you know much about quality revolvers. I only have three. 357 Python 357 DW 715 44 MAG SW Stealth Hunter I don't know if those are good. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:34:53 PM EDT
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Heavy revolvers with 8" barrels have no recoil. At least not for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ounce for ounce the revolver is way more powerful than a pistol. There's no comparison of the common .357 and .44 magnum ballistics against those of the 9 mm/.40/.45. It may be just my bias but the average GD poster seems to be pretty sensitive to recoil. I think that may have something to do with the GD opinion regarding revolvers. Heavy revolvers with 8" barrels have no recoil. At least not for me. Then you are shooting some weak shit! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:34:59 PM EDT
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Is a 1911a1 obsolete because it doesn't carry more than 7+1? Not obsolete at all. Seriously, wheel guns just aren't "cool". Not on TV with the ninjas enough. I have an SP101 tricked by Chuck Weigand's shop (old gun). If it's kissing distance, what happens when the auto gets shoved into a target's gut? I think it's called out-of-battery. Wheel gun goes bang. It isn't what's in my hand that you should fear.....It's what's in my head. 1911 was obsolete as soon as double stack auto's showed up to trump its revolver capacity magazines. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:36:09 PM EDT
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If you have a functioning firearm that you can get ammunition for, it is not obsolete.
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