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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:21:05 AM EDT
* It's a competition * for kids |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:21:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Is it supposed to be in the blue or the white? If in the blue, no.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:22:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Yep..
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:22:14 AM EDT
[#3]
yeah, why not.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:22:30 AM EDT
[#4]
Do you like the kid? Does it mean he would win? Tough call but I probably wouldn't, just my unprofessional opinion.
ETA: Actually, now that I look at it a little more, yes I would. The bullet "smudge" is in the blue so I would count it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Generally, if the bullet hit paper (even just grazed it and left a mark), it counts as a hit.
Just as if you were shooting at a target and your bullet broke the black in the center, it counts as a center hit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:20 AM EDT
[#6]
Needs scoring overlay
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Wow, that's close. Looks like the shot touched the line so yes.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:47 AM EDT
[#8]
The lead line touches the blue....it scores as blue. Assuming the white is a 9 and the blue a 10...score is a 10.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:23:47 AM EDT
[#9]
Ones with only tears touching blue, no...
Lead wipes in the blue, yes. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:24:43 AM EDT
[#10]
It didn't break the blue, so no.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:24:51 AM EDT
[#11]
Lead is in the blue. Score it
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:24:57 AM EDT
[#12]
what does your gauge tell you? the gauge is your guide.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:25:15 AM EDT
[#13]
When I was coaching youth shooting, no that would not count.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:27:15 AM EDT
[#14]
I would score it; still in the white.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:27:19 AM EDT
[#15]
I must not understand that there is a national scoring system. Do you score it for a paper hit or for a hit within a defined space on the paper, such as a 10 ring? It obviously hit the paper and it appears the entire bullet hit paper. What is the background, though? Are you just laying it on something to make it easier to see?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:27:46 AM EDT
[#16]
The dark mark intrudes into the blue meaning the round touched the blue as it was passing through the paper.
Hit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:31:17 AM EDT
[#17]
grease ring is what counts
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:31:42 AM EDT
[#18]
The blue behind the hole is just another target and there for contrast.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:31:58 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
When I was coaching youth shooting, no that would not count. terrorist. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:32:15 AM EDT
[#20]
Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:32:47 AM EDT
[#21]
This is for kids dude... not the Summer Olympics
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:33:30 AM EDT
[#22]
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When I was coaching youth shooting, no that would not count. And to think... we are friends! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:34:51 AM EDT
[#23]
Did the little shit touch the target?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:34:52 AM EDT
[#24]
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Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:35:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Nope, not in the blue
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:39:54 AM EDT
[#26]
I was under the impression that the grease ring means a touch and a touch is what counts because you don't wanna be grazed by a bullet. But what do I know? I've never been shot, only shot at.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:41:08 AM EDT
[#27]
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Is it supposed to be in the blue or the white? If in the blue, no. FPNI |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:43:20 AM EDT
[#28]
This is what a bullet caliber overlay card is for.
Bill |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:46:01 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
grease ring is what counts |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:50:27 AM EDT
[#30]
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The dark mark intrudes into the blue meaning the round touched the blue as it was passing through the paper. Hit. Yep. the ring broke blue. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:51:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Count it!
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:51:52 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was under the impression that the grease ring means a touch and a touch is what counts because you don't wanna be grazed by a bullet. But what do I know? I've never been shot, only shot at. It really depends on the rules of the competition. If it's an informal match that kids are shooting, then giving the kid the point would be fine. If it's a more formal competition, then go by the rule book. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:52:13 AM EDT
[#33]
No it did not break the line.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:53:48 AM EDT
[#34]
No
ETA: depends on the rules. As a firearms instructor, for us, in the USCG, if it doesn't break the blue, it doesn't count. If your rules say lead mark then count it. Personally, I go by whether it breaks the line. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:56:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is the correct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here. This is the correct answer. I personally wouldn't count that, but I'll go with these two guys. They sound like they know what they are talking about. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:56:15 AM EDT
[#36]
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Needs scoring overlay Overlay will call the ring cut. That's scored at whatever value that ring describes. No question about it. ETA: I'm surprised so many don't know how to score a target. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:57:15 AM EDT
[#37]
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The bullet "smudge" is in the blue so I would count it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:57:16 AM EDT
[#38]
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Needs scoring overlay ^^^^ That. I'd give good odds that with a scoring overlay, it would count. The lead marks on the paper show that the outer diameter of the bullet most likely DID touch the ring. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:57:59 AM EDT
[#39]
That is absolutely touching that blue ring. Unless you're using "worst-edge" scoring, I'd give the point value for the blue ring.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:58:42 AM EDT
[#40]
And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:00:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Yeah, that's a hit in the blue.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:01:03 PM EDT
[#42]
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:01:58 PM EDT
[#43]
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Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:03:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Absolutely touching the blue. Not using wadcutters here so I have to look at the lead smear and I bet an overlay centered would not only touch the blue but be into it as well.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:04:47 PM EDT
[#45]
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Lead is in the blue. Score it In HP Comps that is a blue all day long. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:05:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryA matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. Around these parts we call 'em range lawyers! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:05:41 PM EDT
[#47]
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The lead line touches the blue....it scores as blue. Assuming the white is a 9 and the blue a 10...score is a 10. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:06:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Not only does the grease ring touch the blue ( good hit ), the blue portion has been bent inwards by the bullet, but not torn. That's a hit.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:06:50 PM EDT
[#49]
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Is it supposed to be in the blue or the white? If in the blue, no. In an NRA or CMP match, it counts as the highest value. The grease ring touches the blue and the white. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:08:22 PM EDT
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