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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:52:31 AM EDT
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Evaporation can cause loss of an inch per day.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:22:11 PM EDT
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According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. Two good wet years and it will be spilling. Reservoir is performing as designed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:26:52 PM EDT
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover). Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell?  Glen Canyon is UPstream. Derp on me. I meant Lake Mohave which is behind Davis Dam. It's not empty either. http://lakemohave.water-data.com/ Lake Mohave is 4.78 feet below full by level, by content Lake Mohave is 92.69% full. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:46:41 PM EDT
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What's this about a B-29 in Lake Mead?? Edit: Ripped from Wikipedia... The 1948 Lake Mead Boeing B-29 crash occurred July 21, 1948 when a Boeing B-29-100-BW Superfortress, modified into an F-13 reconnaissance platform and performing atmospheric research, crashed into the waters of Lake Mead, Nevada, USA. After completing a run to 30,000 feet (9,100 m) east of Lake Mead, the crew began a descent and levelled out just over 300 feet (91 m) above the surface of Lake Mead. The crew described the lake as looking like a mirror, with the sun reflecting brightly off the surface. These conditions make judging height above a surface considerably more difficult. The aircraft then slowly began to descend below 100 ft (30 m) until it struck the surface at 250 mph (400 km/h) and started skipping along it. Three of the aircraft's four engines were ripped from its wings and the fourth burst into flames. The aircraft managed to gain around 250 ft (76 m) but then settled back onto the water's surface in a nose-up attitude and slowly skiing to a stop. The five-man crew then bailed out into two liferafts and watched the aircraft sink. The crew was rescued from the lake six hours later and was instructed not to disclose any details of the flight, its mission or its loss. As the mission was classified, these details were not released until fifty years later.[1] I would really like a B-29 fuselage in my back yard  http://livedoor.4.blogimg.jp/karapaia_zaeega/imgs/f/c/fcb27afc.jpg http://www.nps.gov/lake/images/20060629132815.jpg http://lakemeadtechnicaldivers.com/wp-content/plugins/easy-media-gallery-pro/includes/class/timthumb.php?src=http://lakemeadtechnicaldivers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IMG_8234.jpg&h=626&w=940&zc=1&q=100 My uncle was one of the first to dive on that B29. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two good wet years and it will be spilling. Reservoir is performing as designed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. Two good wet years and it will be spilling. Reservoir is performing as designed. It's not. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/officials-ok-emergency-tunneling-project-lake-mead |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:02:28 PM EDT
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I just wanna see desalinization plants run by nuke plants.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:04:22 PM EDT
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Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover). Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell? Morelos Dam, test run. Lots of people want dams to permanently vanish. Apparently, they don't remember what scale flooding was on a yearly basis, or the little power that was available. On Topic: LA needs to build nuke plants and desalination plants. Nevada and surrounding states should cut it off the vine, both water and electricity. Cali has more than enough resources to deal with it, if they charged actual cost for the water to the consumers. It would give the state legislators something to think about rather than random new bullshit legislation as well (Need to do that at fed level somehow). The biggest impediment to most progress today with power as well as water is the Endangered Species Act. More important to keep a species of crayfish alive than it is to water crops, which will make us dependent on foreign food if the madness keeps up. The Wetlands Preservation Act is also pulling some shit under Obama, like finding places that used to be wetlands 50 years ago, and pushing for farmers to turn them back into wetlands somehow. I guess this is the result of man conquering the necessities of life, then going on trying to save the world, while forgetting the necessities. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:09:48 PM EDT
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Going to go with this. Also google William Mulholland. Very interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like it is going the way of the Aral Sea. Ain't socialism great? Build a lake in the desert, siphon off the water to feed a resort area in the desert, what do you expect? You have no idea what you are talking about. The lake is empty due to drought and century old water allocation rights. Nevada's (lake mead) portion of the water is very small. reflecting the population of Nevada when the rights were written. Most of it goes to California. If there is anyone to blame here they should be near the top of the list. They have little to no water restriction or conservation. Going to go with this. Also google William Mulholland. Very interesting. Wasn't there a movie called Chinatown that played off of that? Jack Nicholson starred. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:12:45 PM EDT
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Yea... peoples yards, because the dozens of golf courses and country clubs have to stay lush and green year round. I wonder how much water that takes? Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Building a city with 10 million ish people in what is for all intents and purposes a fucking desert doesn't sound like a really good idea. Desalination plants are their only real hope for fresh water. Las Vegas has just a little over 2 million residents. Every drop of water used in Southern Nevada, short of water used for landscaping which is now over 90% desert zero scape is recycled and deposited back into the lake. The water usage here now, even with the increased population is less than it was 30 years ago. Arizona is in a similar situation, they recycle a great amount of their water. As stated above, it is about water allocation rights. Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:14:24 PM EDT
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Evaporation can cause loss of an inch per day. ET at Boulder City averages about 6 ft per year. When the lake is full evaporation exceeds the entire Nevada allotment. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:23:40 PM EDT
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Buy land, water, they're not making any more of it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:48:25 PM EDT
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I just wanna see desalinization plants run by nuke plants. You missed the part where that doubles or triples the cost of water? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:53:07 PM EDT
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Two good wet years and it will be spilling. Reservoir is performing as designed. It's not. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/officials-ok-emergency-tunneling-project-lake-mead That's like saying, "My straw's too short, there must be something wrong with this Coke bottle."
Do you even civil engineer, bro? ETA: I see the pool elevation at Lake Powell has actually risen 9 feet in the past six weeks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:56:23 PM EDT
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I just wanna see desalinization plants run by nuke plants. You missed the part where that doubles or triples the cost of water? Yeah for California. They can afford it. They have all those illegals paying taxes. RR |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:03:38 PM EDT
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Las Vegas has just a little over 2 million residents. Every drop of water used in Southern Nevada, short of water used for landscaping which is now over 90% desert zero scape is recycled and deposited back into the lake. The water usage here now, even with the increased population is less than it was 30 years ago. Arizona is in a similar situation, they recycle a great amount of their water. As stated above, it is about water allocation rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Building a city with 10 million ish people in what is for all intents and purposes a fucking desert doesn't sound like a really good idea. Desalination plants are their only real hope for fresh water. Las Vegas has just a little over 2 million residents. Every drop of water used in Southern Nevada, short of water used for landscaping which is now over 90% desert zero scape is recycled and deposited back into the lake. The water usage here now, even with the increased population is less than it was 30 years ago. Arizona is in a similar situation, they recycle a great amount of their water. As stated above, it is about water allocation rights. The last time I was in Phoenix the city was irrigating landscaping in the right of way along the interstates, and they weren't using drip irrigators, they were spraying the water. Some of it probably landed on the plants, but most of it landed in the gravel and ran off onto the highway. That is criminal waste of water in a desert. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's like saying, "My straw's too short, there must be something wrong with this Coke bottle." Do you even civil engineer, bro? ETA: I see the pool elevation at Lake Powell has actually risen 9 feet in the past six weeks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Two good wet years and it will be spilling. Reservoir is performing as designed. It's not. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/officials-ok-emergency-tunneling-project-lake-mead That's like saying, "My straw's too short, there must be something wrong with this Coke bottle." Do you even civil engineer, bro? ETA: I see the pool elevation at Lake Powell has actually risen 9 feet in the past six weeks.  That's exactly what happened. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:19:04 PM EDT
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That's exactly what happened.
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That's like saying, "My straw's too short, there must be something wrong with this Coke bottle."
Do you even civil engineer, bro? ETA: I see the pool elevation at Lake Powell has actually risen 9 feet in the past six weeks. That's exactly what happened.
That's just poor planning on the part of SNWA, and has nothing to do with reservoir operations. SNWA knew it going in, and went cheap with their intake facilities, now they pay the price. Sucks to be them, but don't blame the bottle when the straw's too short. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:24:40 PM EDT
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You... don't understand how that all works, do you? Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:32:44 PM EDT
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The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. Madcap's a good guy, but he needs to step back from the keyboard on this reservoir operations issue. It only took three years to fill from dead empty to 28,000,000 acre-feet. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:33:59 PM EDT
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I just wanna see desalinization plants run by nuke plants. You missed the part where that doubles or triples the cost of water? You're right....we should totally run out of water in other places before that happens. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:35:34 PM EDT
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At this rate it looks if they'll be rationing in a month or two??
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Madcap's a good guy, but he needs to step back from the keyboard on this reservoir operations issue. It only took three years to fill from dead empty to 28,000,000 acre-feet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. Madcap's a good guy, but he needs to step back from the keyboard on this reservoir operations issue. It only took three years to fill from dead empty to 28,000,000 acre-feet.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:37:43 PM EDT
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At this rate it looks if they'll be rationing in a month or two?? No, there's a shit pot more water upstream behind Glen Canyon Dam. The biggest loss right now is degraded power production due to low pool elevation. Of course "rationing" covers a very wide spectrum of meanings. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:38:59 PM EDT
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So, what's the population and agriculture differance between the three years it filled, and use now.
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. Madcap's a good guy, but he needs to step back from the keyboard on this reservoir operations issue. It only took three years to fill from dead empty to 28,000,000 acre-feet.
OK, Madcap, you win. Take over, it's all yours.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. But, now there's way more people using the water, as well as whatever is being caused by (a term I loath to use) global climate change. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since when did it become so common place for people to talk out of their asses with such authority? Some of the posts in this thread are astounding. You must be new to GD.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:46:14 PM EDT
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. No, Cali needs to be mindful of their water usage. Well actually they both do. Vegas is in the desert. There is an ocean of water a couple hundred miles away. 60-65 % of the earths surface is covered by water and we have water problems. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well actually they both do. Vegas is in the desert. There is an ocean of water a couple hundred miles away. 60-65 % of the earths surface is covered by water and we have water problems. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. No, Cali needs to be mindful of their water usage. Well actually they both do. Vegas is in the desert. There is an ocean of water a couple hundred miles away. 60-65 % of the earths surface is covered by water and we have water problems. That's why we have water problems.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:55:33 PM EDT
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Californians are incredibly stupid. They are having their own water problems. They screw things up then move in masses to other areas like Texas and Colorado and bring their screwed up thought processes with them. They are like locusts or the space aliens that show up and just want the resources till they are gone then move on to the next host. Here's an idea. Plant charges all along the California border. Set them off and watch California fall of into the Pacific. Then Nevada will have a coastline to build its own desalinization plant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. The California Coastal Coalition makes sure that it's not an option. It would literally take decades of permitting to get a plant started. Las Vegas will build a desal plant in Mexico in exchange for part of their allocation and have an easier time with international treaties than dealing with Cal-NIMBY. Californians are incredibly stupid. They are having their own water problems. They screw things up then move in masses to other areas like Texas and Colorado and bring their screwed up thought processes with them. They are like locusts or the space aliens that show up and just want the resources till they are gone then move on to the next host. Here's an idea. Plant charges all along the California border. Set them off and watch California fall of into the Pacific. Then Nevada will have a coastline to build its own desalinization plant. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter sir. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:56:03 PM EDT
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Pretty quickly too. But, now there's way more people using the water, as well as whatever is being caused by (a term I loath to use) global climate change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip The chart in an earlier post shows the level almost this low in the mid 60's and mid 70's(?). Apparently they were able to fill it up again twice. But, now there's way more people using the water, as well as whatever is being caused by (a term I loath to use) global climate change. Oh, for fuck's sake! Really? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:59:57 PM EDT
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When I was 7, my Dad took us to see the spillway open at the Hoover Dam for the first time sense 1941. It was awesome!
That was 1983. Sucks it's so low. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: why doesnt CAlifornia use Delaination plants like Isreali's do? They use Nuke power and simultaniously desalinate. what the fuck is the problem? we have Californians moving here saying that if they could they'd destroy out Nuke plant. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:03:13 PM EDT
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When I was 7, my Dad took us to see the spillway open at the Hoover Dam for the first time sense 1941. It was awesome! That was 1983. Sucks it's so low. I guarantee that it will spill again. Madcap thinks it won't because of global warming.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:22:41 PM EDT
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Evaporation can cause loss of an inch per day. Won't take long to loose an acre-foot that way. We are dealing with the same thing here. Reservoirs drying up, wells going dry. Local towns banning outdoor water use. The Salina paper is running a week long story about the "crisis". One of the facts it listed was the replenishment of the Ogallah aquifer- something like 1/2" a year. It stated that if the crop irrigators stop now, it would take 2,400 years to recharge the aquifer. Fact is, even during the dirty 30s, the Ogallah was the only thing that kept a lot of people going, and now we are removing that an alarming rate. How do you tell a farmer the cash cow and 300 bushel irrigated corn is over? And the ethanol boondoggle is just screwing up things more. I think we are going to learn a lot more about carrying capacity as a species real quick. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:24:53 PM EDT
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Those 13+ million illegals are thirsty they need more water.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:32:19 PM EDT
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Since when did it become so common place for people to talk out of their asses with such authority? Some of the posts in this thread are astounding. You must be new to GD.
Not at all. GD, and the internet in general, has always had these people. It just seems like now they outnumber real people that aren't completely full of shit 2 to 1. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, for fuck's sake! Really? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:snip Oh, for fuck's sake! Really? I mean it in the literal sense, that the climate is always changing I.E. my house isn't under an ice sheet right now kind. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:43:05 PM EDT
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I loath to say the current drought is due to climate change. We are close to parity with the worst drought in the Colorado River Basin period of record.
The scary shit comes up when you look at reconstructed climate data. There were several tree ring studies that correlated tree rings with flows at lees ferry. The correlation for the period of existing record was spectacular. The tree rings were then used to estimate flows back about 500 years or so. There was apparently a 57 year period of drought (1121-1177) that was worse than the 1950's drought that was the last time lake mead was close to where it is now. If we're entering a period like that, the whole southwest is fooked. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:44:57 PM EDT
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Vote for Harry Reid.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover). Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell? Morelos Dam, test run. The Morelos Dam is nothing more than a water diversion dam. There's no lake behind it, it diverts water to either a Mexican canal that brings Colorado river water to irrigate the Mexicali, Mexico Valley farmlands or it allows water to run into the Colorado River and to the Gulf. Mexico owns the dam, Mexico does all of the maintenance on the dam and the water belongs to Mexico. I have no issues with what Mexico does with its water. You're the one who stated "(They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover)", not me. There's 6 other dams before the Morelos Dam. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:14:59 PM EDT
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The Morelos Dam is nothing more than a water diversion dam. There's no lake behind it, it diverts water to either a Mexican canal that brings Colorado river water to irrigate the Mexicali, Mexico Valley farmlands or it allows water to run into the Colorado River and to the Gulf. Mexico owns the dam, Mexico does all of the maintenance on the dam and the water belongs to Mexico. I have no issues with what Mexico does with its water. You're the one who stated "(They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover)", not me. There's 6 other dams before the Morelos Dam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover). Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell? Morelos Dam, test run. The Morelos Dam is nothing more than a water diversion dam. There's no lake behind it, it diverts water to either a Mexican canal that brings Colorado river water to irrigate the Mexicali, Mexico Valley farmlands or it allows water to run into the Colorado River and to the Gulf. Mexico owns the dam, Mexico does all of the maintenance on the dam and the water belongs to Mexico. I have no issues with what Mexico does with its water. You're the one who stated "(They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover)", not me. There's 6 other dams before the Morelos Dam. Ok, my bad on the understanding of the article. I thought it showed the opinions of the "Wild Free Rivers" well, but had the placement/ownership wrong. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:19:51 PM EDT
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According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. I must admit that I found that chart encouraging. Hopefully, the up-blip in recent times will continue... |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 4:24:22 PM EDT
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I just read an article about people in California wanting to divert water from Mead to the Salton Sea because it's drying up, and how it's ridiculous as the Salton Sea was man-made in the first place. The Salton Sea was the result of the Colorado River flooding and a dike breach that allowed the entire volume of the river to fill the Salton Sea. http://www.greetingsfromsaltonsea.com/flood.html They need to let the fucker evaporate and go away. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 8:24:04 PM EDT
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cool, so what year was it that? I imagine it wasn't in the last 10... http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/image.php?mead Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/image.php?mead Sometime between 93 and 95. The level dropped pretty fast after the storm passed, but it was unusual to see the water that close to the top of the dam. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:38:47 PM EDT
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Sometime between 93 and 95. The level dropped pretty fast after the storm passed, but it was unusual to see the water that close to the top of the dam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/image.php?mead Sometime between 93 and 95. The level dropped pretty fast after the storm passed, but it was unusual to see the water that close to the top of the dam. Spillway releases reached 40,000 cubic feet per second and overtopping of the left side cofferdam began early January 19, 1993, discharging water through the then partially constructed left spillway onto the powerhouse below. This caused $1 million in damage and set the job back nearly six months. Record rainfall in January 1993 forced the operation of the eight available spillway gates on the right abutment, requiring evacuation of the downstream (tailrace) area and excavation of the downstream cofferdam crest. A four hour peak inflow of 140,000 cfs was recorded January 8, 1993, with a maximum five day volume of 580,000 acre feet. A second storm caused the reservoir to rise to elevation 2,139.1 feet January 19, the highest in the dams history. Overtopping of the left abutment cofferdam crest at elevation 2,138 feet began early January 19 and continued for nearly two days, discharging up to 700 cfs through the partially constructed spillway and onto the powerhouse below. Spillway gates were opened again February 12 and releases continued until March 8, 1993. I wasnt here at the time but Ive heard the stories about that... they were mid project in raising the dam 77ft higher when it happened. This is the "new" over dam dam. 
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometime between 93 and 95. The level dropped pretty fast after the storm passed, but it was unusual to see the water that close to the top of the dam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: snip There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. Yeah, that water for golf courses and such is treated sewage water. Not fit for human consumption. It doesn't come from the same supply that goes to the taps. Same thing here in AZ. I remember when I was in high school-had to be my junior year (in vegas) we had a storm system that wouldn't go away. It dumped rain for days and days on end. A buddy and I drove out to the dam and they were very close to using the overflow bypass tunnels. It's a reservoir-the fluctuation is kind of designed into the system. The depth at the dam exceeds 800 feet. Yes, the water level is way the fuck down, but there is still a shitload of lake. San Carlos lake here in AZ was dry. Completely gone. We had two big storm systems move through last year and magically there's a lake there again. http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/image.php?mead Sometime between 93 and 95. The level dropped pretty fast after the storm passed, but it was unusual to see the water that close to the top of the dam. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:58:38 PM EDT
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Since when did it become so common place for people to talk out of their asses with such authority? Some of the posts in this thread are astounding. That is done on most of the threads in GD. |
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