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The record-setting low water mark—a surface elevation of 1,081.8 feet above sea level—will not trigger any restrictions for the seven states in the Colorado River Basin. Restrictions will most likely come in 2016 when the lake is projected to drop below 1,075 feet, a threshold that forces cuts in water deliveries to Arizona and Nevada, states at the head of the line for rationing. No area is more vulnerable than Las Vegas, which draws 90 percent of its water from Lake Mead. Today, in the midst of the basin’s driest 14-year period in the historical record, the gambler’s paradise is completing an expensive triage. The regional water authority is spending at least $US 829 million of ratepayer money to dig two tunnels—one at the lake bottom that will be completed next spring and the other an emergency connection between existing intakes—to ensure that the 2 million residents of southern Nevada can still drink from Mead as more of the big lake reverts to desert. Yet despite a shrinking lake, diminishing supplies and ardent pleas from tour guides and environmental groups to preserve a canyon-cutting marvel, the four states in the basin upriver from Lake Mead intend to increase the amount of water they take out of the Colorado River. All of the states are updating or developing new state water strategies, most of which involve using more Colorado River water, not less. http://ecowatch.com/2014/07/07/lake-mead-reservoir-record-low-drought/ |
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why doesnt CAlifornia use Delaination plants like Isreali's do? They use Nuke power and simultaniously desalinate. what the fuck is the problem? we have Californians moving here saying that if they could they'd destroy out Nuke plant. View Quote Leftist are never people who think about there actions |
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why doesnt CAlifornia use Delaination plants like Isreali's do? They use Nuke power and simultaniously desalinate. what the fuck is the problem? we have Californians moving here saying that if they could they'd destroy out Nuke plant. View Quote That's just it. They won't desalinate because they don't want to build the power plants to run the desalination plants. They want someone else to supply their water and power, then they bitch about the price. It is a self-inflicted wound, and it is killing them slowly. I would happily watch them choke on their own filth and laugh. |
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Yea... peoples yards, because the dozens of golf courses and country clubs have to stay lush and green year round. I wonder how much water that takes? Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Building a city with 10 million ish people in what is for all intents and purposes a fucking desert doesn't sound like a really good idea. Desalination plants are their only real hope for fresh water. Las Vegas has just a little over 2 million residents. Every drop of water used in Southern Nevada, short of water used for landscaping which is now over 90% desert zero scape is recycled and deposited back into the lake. The water usage here now, even with the increased population is less than it was 30 years ago. Arizona is in a similar situation, they recycle a great amount of their water. As stated above, it is about water allocation rights. Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. |
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover).
75%-80% of the water in the Colorado river system goes to irrigated crops, from up north down to in the desert. LA pulls almost the same amount of water Vegas does, IIRC. |
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Colorado being the only state with no water running in, should renegotiate the compact. We are facing the same issues down stream. More users on the same amount of water, thus decreasing the amounts that can be used. Let the golf courses dry up, or turn them into green houses. We can always use more off season food production.
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Quoted: All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: snip All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. |
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Based on the quality of the data you portrayed in your initial statement, I don't trust your opinion now because I feel like you're basing it on poorly interpreted information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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snip All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Open-the-Floodgates-The-Day-We-Set-the-Colorado-River-Free.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1639739_The_race_to_stop_Las_Vegas_from_running_out_of_water.html |
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Desalinated water takes a tremendous amount of electricity. Producing that electricity takes a tremendous amount of water.
The price of desalinated water starts at twice the price of natural water and climbs from there. |
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What's this about a B-29 in Lake Mead??
Edit: Ripped from Wikipedia... The 1948 Lake Mead Boeing B-29 crash occurred July 21, 1948 when a Boeing B-29-100-BW Superfortress, modified into an F-13 reconnaissance platform and performing atmospheric research, crashed into the waters of Lake Mead, Nevada, USA. After completing a run to 30,000 feet (9,100 m) east of Lake Mead, the crew began a descent and levelled out just over 300 feet (91 m) above the surface of Lake Mead. The crew described the lake as looking like a mirror, with the sun reflecting brightly off the surface. These conditions make judging height above a surface considerably more difficult. The aircraft then slowly began to descend below 100 ft (30 m) until it struck the surface at 250 mph (400 km/h) and started skipping along it. Three of the aircraft's four engines were ripped from its wings and the fourth burst into flames. The aircraft managed to gain around 250 ft (76 m) but then settled back onto the water's surface in a nose-up attitude and slowly skiing to a stop. The five-man crew then bailed out into two liferafts and watched the aircraft sink. The crew was rescued from the lake six hours later and was instructed not to disclose any details of the flight, its mission or its loss. As the mission was classified, these details were not released until fifty years later.[1] I would really like a B-29 fuselage in my back yard |
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Price they pay to live in a desert.
Coal/nukes/new technology to run a desalinization plant that you pretty much need NOW -- whats it gonna be? |
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I was at Lake Mead on Saturday the 18th.... I arrived there at 11am... ambient temp was 100 on route 93 goin into the area and was around 104 by the time I left at 12pm...the rate of evaporation might be causing a bit of the low levels in the resevoir....
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. |
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I was at Lake Mead on Saturday the 18th.... I arrived there at 11am... ambient temp was 100 on route 93 goin into the area and was around 104 by the time I left at 12pm...the rate of evaporation might be causing a bit of the low levels in the resevoir.... View Quote Its been hot and dry near Las Vegas for centuries |
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Pretty soon that sunken B-29 will be visible. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/lake-mead-drops-lowest-levels-ever_n_5601332.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl17|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D504937 View Quote |
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. View Quote The California Coastal Coalition makes sure that it's not an option. It would literally take decades of permitting to get a plant started. Las Vegas will build a desal plant in Mexico in exchange for part of their allocation and have an easier time with international treaties than dealing with Cal-NIMBY. |
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Based on the quality of the data you portrayed in your initial statement, I don't trust your opinion now because I feel like you're basing it on poorly interpreted information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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snip All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. The majority of the golf courses in Las Vegas use reclaimed water for irrigation and that cuts into the return flow credit but it's a small portion of the direct withdrawal. Additionally several golf courses are irrigated with wells drawing from the perrenial yield of the las Vegas groundwater basin. On whole the las Vegas allocation from the Colorado river is only 1.8% of the total flow allocated to the upper basin states, the lower basin states and mexico. More water is lost to evaporation and infiltration in lake Powell than las Vegas has available to it. Golf courses and casinos aren't drying up Lake Mead. |
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View Quote Just beat. Was going to post this. If you are not a TL;DR type and are interested in a read that will get you pissed off (no matter your politics) this is a great book. |
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Yea... peoples yards, because the dozens of golf courses and country clubs have to stay lush and green year round. I wonder how much water that takes? Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Building a city with 10 million ish people in what is for all intents and purposes a fucking desert doesn't sound like a really good idea. Desalination plants are their only real hope for fresh water. Las Vegas has just a little over 2 million residents. Every drop of water used in Southern Nevada, short of water used for landscaping which is now over 90% desert zero scape is recycled and deposited back into the lake. The water usage here now, even with the increased population is less than it was 30 years ago. Arizona is in a similar situation, they recycle a great amount of their water. As stated above, it is about water allocation rights. Not to mention Harry's new town out in mesquite. It's got quite a few as well. In fact, I wonder how much of that less water usage is due to chasing out all the ranchers and farmers for the last 30 years? ETA- ROFL, your water usage line is classic, that water use is not less, it's less PER CAPITA. There's still more people, a net positive in use even with a decrease in per capita use. the golf courses all use reclaimed water. |
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What's this about a B-29 in Lake Mead?? Edit: Ripped from Wikipedia... The 1948 Lake Mead Boeing B-29 crash occurred July 21, 1948 when a Boeing B-29-100-BW Superfortress, modified into an F-13 reconnaissance platform and performing atmospheric research, crashed into the waters of Lake Mead, Nevada, USA. After completing a run to 30,000 feet (9,100 m) east of Lake Mead, the crew began a descent and levelled out just over 300 feet (91 m) above the surface of Lake Mead. The crew described the lake as looking like a mirror, with the sun reflecting brightly off the surface. These conditions make judging height above a surface considerably more difficult. The aircraft then slowly began to descend below 100 ft (30 m) until it struck the surface at 250 mph (400 km/h) and started skipping along it. Three of the aircraft's four engines were ripped from its wings and the fourth burst into flames. The aircraft managed to gain around 250 ft (76 m) but then settled back onto the water's surface in a nose-up attitude and slowly skiing to a stop. The five-man crew then bailed out into two liferafts and watched the aircraft sink. The crew was rescued from the lake six hours later and was instructed not to disclose any details of the flight, its mission or its loss. As the mission was classified, these details were not released until fifty years later.[1] I would really like a B-29 fuselage in my back yard View Quote They had the remains of the Roswell illegal space aliens aboard. |
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I live right on the Columbia, (98801) and would love to see that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like it is going the way of the Aral Sea. Ain't socialism great? Build a lake in the desert, siphon off the water to feed a resort area in the desert, what do you expect? You have no idea what you are talking about. The lake is empty due to drought and century old water allocation rights. Nevada's (lake mead) portion of the water is very small. reflecting the population of Nevada when the rights were written. Most of it goes to California. If there is anyone to blame here they should be near the top of the list. They have little to no water restriction or conservation. Back in the late 70's or early 80's SoCal was working on a plan to build another canal system to help with the fresh water shortages. They were proposing building a waterway from the Columbia River to LA. They were very surprised when the states of the Columbia River Basin told them to go fuck themselves. I clipped the newspaper article out and kept it for years. I live right on the Columbia, (98801) and would love to see that. LA Times -1990 article Hahn Calls for an Aqueduct to the Northwest May 04, 1990| County Supervisor Kenneth Hahn proposed a big solution Thursday to Los Angeles' big water problem--digging aqueducts that would carry water to California from the Columbia River in the Pacific Northwest and the Snake River in Idaho. <snip> Roos said Hahn's proposal--which the supervisor has floated during previous water crises--is technically feasible, but is "frightfully expensive" and faces seemingly insurmountable environmental and political obstacles. "You've got to be kidding," said a deputy to Oregon Gov. Neil Goldschmidt when asked about Hahn's proposal. And a spokesman for Washington Gov. Booth Gardner said his state also would oppose any diversion of Columbia River water to California. Later in the article, it mentions earlier efforts. |
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Pay their fair share eh? Go home 14'er, you're trolling poorly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. Pay their fair share eh? Go home 14'er, you're trolling poorly. So "12'ver", What's your solution or are you here to just criticize other peoples input? They don't have a lot of choices Option #2 - watch water supply go away one day and watch the Vegas tourist industry dry up. A wise man once said future wars would be fought over water. |
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Look into the Colorado river delta rejuvenation project. We are purposely dumping our reservoirs into the Mexican desert and the Sea of Cortez right now. I guess as payment for all the wetbacks coming north. Who fucking knows with the assholes we have in charge right now. View Quote Pssssttt, that's where some of the water belongs. |
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The California Coastal Coalition makes sure that it's not an option. It would literally take decades of permitting to get a plant started. Las Vegas will build a desal plant in Mexico in exchange for part of their allocation and have an easier time with international treaties than dealing with Cal-NIMBY. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Vegas casinos need to fund a desalinization plant on the California coast along with pipeline & pumping stations. They can afford it. The California Coastal Coalition makes sure that it's not an option. It would literally take decades of permitting to get a plant started. Las Vegas will build a desal plant in Mexico in exchange for part of their allocation and have an easier time with international treaties than dealing with Cal-NIMBY. Californians are incredibly stupid. They are having their own water problems. They screw things up then move in masses to other areas like Texas and Colorado and bring their screwed up thought processes with them. They are like locusts or the space aliens that show up and just want the resources till they are gone then move on to the next host. Here's an idea. Plant charges all along the California border. Set them off and watch California fall of into the Pacific. Then Nevada will have a coastline to build its own desalinization plant. |
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Envirowhackos want to remove the dam entirely so it's a "Wild River" again (They've already opened the next dam downriver from Hoover). Really? They opened up the Glen Canyon Dam and drained Lake Powell? Glen Canyon is UPstream. |
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Quoted: http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Open-the-Floodgates-The-Day-We-Set-the-Colorado-River-Free.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1639739_The_race_to_stop_Las_Vegas_from_running_out_of_water.html View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: snip All of the water used is recycled back into the lake. There was a thread about this a couple of months back, the water used for irrigation, including the water used in your evil devil golf courses is less than 5% of the overall water usage. So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake. http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Open-the-Floodgates-The-Day-We-Set-the-Colorado-River-Free.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1639739_The_race_to_stop_Las_Vegas_from_running_out_of_water.html You said "So allocating for irrigation and evaporation more than 90% of the water is used and then returned to the lake." Currently, about 60% of Southern Nevada’s water use is consumptive, with the vast majority of consumptive use attributable to landscape irrigation (See Figure 2). The 40% of water use that is used inside of buildings is considered non-consumptive, because it can be recovered from the sanitary sewer system, treated and directly or indirectly reused. http://www.usga.org/uploadedFiles/USGAHome/Course_Care/Golf_and_the_Environment/Water/214419%20Bennett,%20Doug%20-%20Lean%20and%20Green%20-%20Water%20Efficiency%20in%20Vegas.pdf Oh, look, some one listed the use of the top water users of the area.... Mostly Golf courses and casino's, who knew. The School district as annotated used a bunch too. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25549134/dominance-of-resort-industry-reflected-in-water-use Vegas might only get a small piece of the pie when it comes to water allocations, but the fact remains, it's using a shit ton of water in the middle of the desert for nothing more than entertainment, and in support of that. As long as Vegas keeps people like Harry Reid in power, I can't wait till that shit dries up and blows away. |
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You have no idea what you are talking about. The lake is empty due to drought and century old water allocation rights. Nevada's (lake mead) portion of the water is very small. reflecting the population of Nevada when the rights were written. Most of it goes to California. If there is anyone to blame here they should be near the top of the list. They have little to no water restriction or conservation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like it is going the way of the Aral Sea. Ain't socialism great? Build a lake in the desert, siphon off the water to feed a resort area in the desert, what do you expect? You have no idea what you are talking about. The lake is empty due to drought and century old water allocation rights. Nevada's (lake mead) portion of the water is very small. reflecting the population of Nevada when the rights were written. Most of it goes to California. If there is anyone to blame here they should be near the top of the list. They have little to no water restriction or conservation. Going to go with this. Also google William Mulholland. Very interesting. |
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Since when did it become so common place for people to talk out of their asses with such authority? Some of the posts in this thread are astounding.
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You... don't understand how that all works, do you? Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Isnt that the point of this lake.. aka reservoir.. to be there when it is NEEDED in a time like this. It will come back, but all it is is a giant accumulator for periods of drought. How dare it be used for its intended purpose. Or are you thinking along a bigger time scale, sure it'll fill back up, maybe 100' to it's highest point... But what's it going to take, 50 years? 1000 years? Assuming use is not higher than the recharge rate? According to the chart posted above, a year or two if the snowpack is good. Look at the period around 1960. Level increased 100ft in a year or two. |
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Now might be the time to do those dock repairs, wall repairs, and build out onto the water.
Although that might be a 50/50 shot investment I can't say I'm surprised.... when I was in Vegas I scratched my head at why in the hell people would build here... they literally built a large city with no resources. I say cut California off, they siphon a tremendous amount of water from this resivor |
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